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Sleeping Beauty

 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
15:23 / 27.02.04


This is my new comic. Unfortunately not available for download, anymore. Unless you track me down on soulseek, or something (feel free to, by the way).

I hope you like it, and I'd appreciate all of your thoughts and/or comments. If you have any suggestions of what to do with it, places to send it or people to show it to then please do so.



Thanks to everyone who has helped.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
17:15 / 27.02.04
You already know that I'm a bum and haven't actually read it yet, but I figured I'd bump the thread up a bit by saying: it looks really nice. I'm picky as hell about the unknown indie comics I buy (having been burned by a lot of tripe), but I honestly would buy this if I saw it sitting on the shelf, based on the artwork/layout alone. Seriously.

And I will read it. Later today, even!
 
 
FinderWolf
17:25 / 27.02.04
I've tried clicking on the link to the story twice, and I get a blank page where the loading mechanism seems to be stuck in an endless loop (the loading readout keeps flickering). Does this take like 10 min. to load or what? And my computer has Adobe pdf, so I know it's not that.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
17:45 / 27.02.04
Hunter: right click on the title, and select "save target as", and it will happily download on to your computer. It's 12 meg, so it will take a while to download. But when it has, load it at your will!

I know a few people who have looked at it by just clicking on the link, and it has worked for them. How long it took I have no idea.
 
 
Tamayyurt
20:40 / 27.02.04
Just read this and loved it. Mr. Suedehead, you have a certain talent for subtle, personal story telling. There are a few bits in there that simply made me smile from ear to ear with their authenticity. Great characterization! With a few words you made me feel like I know these people (or want to know them). The art is simple and stupendous. And you've got pacing down pat. Too bad this is only a sneak peek as I was left wanting a whole lot more. Nice cover too.

You're an emo genius.

HunterWolf- Try and get it to work.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
20:49 / 27.02.04
Thanks Imp - tho should point out, this is the whole comic presented here. Just a little 24 pager, hopefully going to print sometime in the next century, to be presented as a cute little stand alone package.

I'm emo? I didn't know that! (I'm not entirely sure what it means, to be honest).
 
 
Tamayyurt
21:07 / 27.02.04
emo means you do boy+girl stuff, break up stories and stuff like that. You just have a knack for it.
 
 
Bed Head
21:11 / 27.02.04
As in Brian Emo. He’s saying you’re fantastically well-endowed, I think.

You already know what I think of your comic, dude. I’m here to make a public statement that this rocks and everyone should click on that link without further delay and so enjoy the fantabulous fruits of Suede’s labours. Your life will be the better for it. And you can quote me on that.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
21:11 / 27.02.04
I thought it meant I was emotionally HARDCORE and shouted a lot.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
23:07 / 27.02.04
You're emo like Weezer, Suedey!

I bet there are emo kids all over the US who would love this comic, and you'd be like a God to them. Not kidding.
 
 
Tamayyurt
23:12 / 27.02.04
Thank you, Flux. That's exactly what I was trying to say.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
23:21 / 27.02.04
Can't I have spawned a thousand Weezers? Please?
 
 
sleazenation
11:00 / 28.02.04
Some very nice comics there suedehead.

Very attractive and well paced, but I did get a bit lost at times as to how various bits fitted together. Some of this could be down to reading it as single pages rather than the 2 pages at a time you get in printed comics. I was also a little confused about how they got together and how they split, which could be unimportant - the story also works by resonating a set of emotions rather than a simple narrative, but I felt needed to be in there somewhere.


As to what to do with it - What do you want to do with it?
I'd say look up some printers, get quotes for what you'd like to see a printed version to look like, pick one and get it printed.

This could be because I have a bias towards printed comics, but so do many other people.

Once you have printed copies in your hand, you can sell them - and try and get other people to sell them for you - go to comic shops, book stores (borders is often good for this), music shops and coffee shops and see if they will stock your stuff.

I'd also suggest sending it to editors and publishers, especially those whose work you like. Everyone likes getting free stuff and if they enjoy it they will usually write back to you.

Have a look at the smallzone website Shane Chebsey has a lot of grass roots experience of publishing and distributing comics -

Like i said - there are a lot of things you can do with your comic, but it depends on what you want to do - self publish? Sell your stories on? Get someone else to publish your books? or just do comics for people to read on the web.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
14:26 / 28.02.04
Thanks sleaze.

I totally get you on the "non-printed" thing. I think it would all fit together better in your hands. I tend to flick back and forth a lot when I read comics - I love being able to access all the information right in front of me. I think that's why I find a comics second reading to be more enjoyable, as well. I tend to glance through first time, and pick up on everything the second time - knowing where it all is.

I'm not sure if all the right pages would be next to each other, when printed. My design fell down a little there, but I think it would be a lot simpler. I don't like reading it on the computer much at all, either.

I'm surprised this hasn't come up sooner, actually, because I expected it. However, in adressing yr points I'll just explain a little about how I put this together. Originally I conceived this project as an art exercise in learning how to draw comics. I started it because I wanted to draw the cover - which is from a photo. I started thinking about looking at photos when those people are gone... and I sketched out a little story. I thought it would be nice and simple and a good showcase for my art. However, I decided I hated the narrative as I thought it was trite and lame - and I didn't want that. So I lifted the more simple story aspects out, and started making things a bit more vague/dream-like (this is before I started on most of the art). The bare essentials of the narrative are still in there - but they just hint at things rather than telling you everything. I decided it was much better to keep everything ambiguous so people could..uh... put themselves in to it, I guess. I still figure you can read it as a simple story (with a jumpy time-frame) or as something keying you in to a particular feeling. I think Matthew explains this very well (and better than I'd dare to!) See;

"In terms of story, Sleeping Beauty is a bit slight. It's less of a traditional story than a dreamy, lyrical meditation about young love. The comic works in a way similar to a song or a poem, with John's words and images coming together as an expression of memories, ambiguous emotions and stray thoughts rather than a conventional narrative." from fluxblog.

The way I feel about it - and what I was trying to achieve at various points of working on it was "Slipping in and out of sleep lying next to somebody you love" which I've distilled to a simpler "cold/warm" - as in cold feelings and thoughts with an underlying feeling of warmth prevailing throughout.

As for when they got together - that's pretty much there in the flashback bit at the beginning. The "splitting up" isn't so important as it's not meant to be obvious. (Originally it was obvious, and they only went past each other right at the end. It was going to be my version of a silent, Tomine-like ending).

I have one other project similar in style (story-poem-song-esque) to this, but I'm going to try and introduce a lot more aspects to it to make it more of a story.

I now feel incredibly pompous, posting so much about that.

As for what I'll do with it. Hopefully this is going to get printed. No idea when; money decides. I am going to apply for a grant. I want to send it everywhere - this is sort of preliminary to that. I think have to keep asking what to do to keep it in mind to actually do it!

I'm debating whether to send the link to a few publishers right now. I've had some nice feedback already, though. Jeffrey Brown had some pretty nice things to say.

Lastly as for what I want to do... primarily self publish due to circumstance. Selling my stories/getting published = a dream I daren't quite hope for, right now.

(ps. I think I get the Weezer thing, now. I didn't know they were emo, either! I thought they were like "alternative" or something equally vague. Am now fully prepared to be God-like to all the emo children. I've seen Tomine described as emo too, I think. Only now am I realising I've never really understood that term. My comment above = my obligratory Pavement reference.)
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:32 / 28.02.04
Tomine has a big emo following (though that's obviously not his only audience). I think Jeffrey Brown has a lot of emo kids into his stuff too.

Maybe you should send a link to the pdf to some indie/emo record labels. You never know.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:33 / 28.02.04
Wow, I missed that bit about Jeffrey Brown. That's great. If you get some nice quotes from other cartoonists, you should ask them if it's okay to put a few on the back cover when you get it published. That could be a nice help.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:37 / 28.02.04
You should send the links to the publishers. What have you got to lose, right?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
19:09 / 28.02.04
The quotes thing might be quite nice, yeah. Trying to get it printed is hard enough, though! I'm not totally sure what to do, right now.

Jeffrey Brown didn't say a whole lot, but I was really glad he took the time to take a look and say anything! Here's what he said:

"john, it's a nice little story, especially page 9, that page is perfect, capturing all kinds of little relationship subtleties...thanks for sharing"

The only other cartoonist I e-mailed was Jessica Abel, to say thank you for her DIY comics thing. I don't know how many others are around, online. I guess I'll have another online trawl tomorrow! I feel naughty bugging people.

I also had a reply from Chris Staros at Top Shelf, which was cool. He seems like a nice guy - and I'm kinda surprised to be hearing back from people - especially so quick! I am totally not expecting to get this published (by anyone other than myself), but he seemed very encouraging and thought it was good work. (Not something they'd publish, though, to clarify. I will admit to being vaguely excited but not wanting to admit it for a few seconds, though).

I kind of didn't want to bug publishers - but I did send the link to Top Shelf. I don't know many publishers, and I knew I didn't want to send anything to D + Q because I didn't feel there would be any point.

What kind of indie/emo labels would you suggest, Matthew? I can only think of Matador, as a smaller label. I'm not very good with record labels.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
19:10 / 28.02.04
Would it be foolhardy/daring/stupid/pointless to post the link up on the comics journal message board?
 
 
sleazenation
08:58 / 29.02.04
maybe even ONI or slave labour -

It could also be an idea to send a link to Scott McCloud since he is one of the strongest proponents of comics on the web...

Another resource that might come in handy is getting a copy of Comics International (available in most bigger magazine stall chains and comic shops) they have a section at the back of each issue that lists contact details for publishers around the world (and since the strip is largely wordless it could easily work in a foreign language environment). It could spark a few ideas - CI also give a few pages over to comic creators every issue to show off their talent/work- a feature called panel beaters - might be worth sending something there...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
21:27 / 01.03.04
Ta Sleaze.

I've mailed most of the people I could think of, now. Had response from many. Positive thoughts and good criticism. I'm really pleased at the willingness of folks to reply - and download and look at a 12mb file. I recieved an e-mail back from Mr. McCloud saying that he couldn't fully reply because he was in the midst of wading through 1300 unanswered e-mails. I do not envy that man. Seems like I'm on the right track though - obvious improvements must be made! Hopefully going to study illustration will be a hand. This work probably wasn't quite the giant leap in improvement I had first imagined - but I guess I'm still finding where my strengths are, and even how I draw at all. You may notice a steady improvement over the course of this work (I hope). More preliminary work/sketches are called for.

Currently I'm just pondering on whether to get this printed. The thought of getting something in print and in shops is tempting - so I'm probably gonna go for the cheap cheap option just to get it out there. Hopefully it'll still be kinda pretty, I'll let everyone know if and/or when.

Exciting!
 
 
FinderWolf
13:16 / 02.03.04
Nice work. I agree, you're definitely on the right track and you clearly have a lot of strengths. You're really developing a voice for yourself. I feel like your landscapes and layout are a little stronger than your faces and human figures, though the latter have a certain indie elegance all their own. Keep up the great work!!
 
 
Krug
20:46 / 08.03.04
This is excellent stuff Suedehead.

A bit more moving near the end than I expected it to be.

I look forward to more.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
21:48 / 30.03.04
Thanks for the comments, all.

This is actually a real comic, now. You can hold it. Caress it, if need be. Unfortunately, it's not available in any shops at this present moment. With any luck that will be rectified when I hear back from them. You can contact me if you'd like one NOW, though, but hopefully it'll all be easier in near the future.

Also, a review from The Comics Waiting Room

"SLEEPING BEAUTY, written and drawn by John Cei Douglas. Available only online at the creator’s website (note: not true!)

Douglas’ story is a sweet and quiet tale of love and loss, aiming to hit the heartstrings a bit more subtly than most do. Probably because he’s British. Either way, this is a charming little book that injects some real life and emotion into its nameless couple. They each do well in recalling the small and powerful moments in their relationship, even as they deny a strong urge to rekindle it. Part of what makes the book work is that Douglas never really gives a full accounting of what went wrong in the pairing. Artistically, Douglas is somewhat weak, but his inconsistent anatomy lends a sort of emotional roughness to the story’s proceedings. When I first read this book, I really didn’t care for it. Upon further reviews, it made me want to buy a Polaroid camera. Grade: B+ "

There's also some very nice words lounging about on the lovely Insult to Injury comic blog.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
11:11 / 13.04.04
Ok, this is actually a real comic innashop now (probably). You can now buy lovely actual comics you can hold in your hands from the splendiferous Page 45.

And all those who have and can hold said comics, please tell of the experience! Did it change your life? Was it fair to middling? Do you live in fear for your shins?
 
 
Bed Head
12:45 / 26.04.04
This thread gets a *Bump*, because I bought my copy on Friday, in the aforementioned Page 45, and I’m now impressed squared.

It’s even nicer on paper, the cover looks absolutely beautiful, and when you can properly move through the pages like a human being should, you notice lots of things that get missed on pdf. Comics always work a million times better on paper. It’s lovely, a quality piece of work. In a good way.

Anyway, Suede, you might like to know the guy’s eyes lit up when he saw what I was buying. In fact, he said (and I quote) ‘oh wow, great, this guy’s really good’, and continued on to show me all the panels he really dug. Honest. I can’t quote the whole riff because he was gabbling enthusiastically and I don’t want to get it wrong, and besides I’d just been for a run and so was in no fit state to stand around in a crowded public space, but basically I’m here to report that the pretty young boy behind the counter in Page 45 thinks that your comic totally rocks, and is energetically telling his customers precisely why.

Anyone here who hasn’t bought a copy yet, P45 also have a really excellent mail-order service.
 
 
sleazenation
13:10 / 26.04.04
And while this is being bumped - are you coming down to bristol for the comics festival at the end of may - it will offer you great opportunities to sell more stuff - meet distributors and publishers such as Chris Staros in person...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
13:28 / 26.04.04
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
11:58 / 27.04.04
Right then. A proper, and possibly rational, post! I decided not to try being rational earlier, because I couldn't, so I didn't.

But still: Woo! That's so great to hear, BH. I'm really glad you picked up a copy, and indeed, that there were pick-up-able copies there! I had my doubts, y'know. In that I didn't quite trust it being real. Now, to be quite anal - where were they in the shop? Maybe I will sneak in, laugh, and run away again... were there many left? Um, um! Again - so good to hear, and such a surprise to see this thread rise up again!

But wow, I almost feel embarassed. It's just amazing to hear, that other people seem to be picking up on it, or something - that I'm completely not aware of! Maybe I will send P45 flowers.

Anyway, this makes me feel positive and excited about working on the 10-ish follow up comics I am currently planning.

Sleaze: I would definitely want to go to that! I've never been to any sort of comics event. Are you going? Where can I find info? What should I actually do there? PM me if you wish!
 
  
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