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Gonna get you, SUCKER!!! (Astral Entities)

  
 
Ierne
16:56 / 15.08.01
Because this stuff is so neat it deserves its own thread.

From the beginning:

Im thinking at the moment to create a sigil to ward off astral plant-suckers while I sleep. – kobol strom

I'll never forget when I went to a Ph.D. three times over for a (psychological) therapy session -- she was into lots of 'paranormal' stuff -- and she told me about little entities, little sucker-type things on the astral plane that will leech onto when you're weak and drain your energy as you sleep. I had that bizarre, surreal feeling, a mixture of disbelief and open-mindedness, thinking "well, this woman is an incredibly knowledgable, wise, experienced woman, well versed in medical science as well -- I doubt she's crazy."

Read Michael Crichton's little-known autobiography TRAVELS for a terrific account of an open-minded but skeptical seeker into the unknown. He does lots of cool stuff. – HunterWolf

Thankyou,I will make a note to get a hold of that one.I have to say,I'm encouraged by the thought of other people experiencing astral suckers at night,I used to have a recurring dream where I'd be flying along,then I'd encounter telegraph wires,which were electrified and very painful,I couldn't 'breakthrough' them.Then,later,I went up to one of the wires in a dream,and fucussed a red 'super-man' beam from my eyes,melting the wire into two,I then reconnected the circuit - behind my head,I hear a warbling scream,and a big leech slithers off into the ether,end of recurring dream.But the plant suckers are different,for one,they were present during a trance state and not a dream,also they seem to have left,for now,by themselves.I think a protective bit of magick might be in order so they don't return...but then again,they are pretty harmless,and who is to say,we aren't feeding off of them?

[ 14-08-2001: Message edited by: kobol strom ]

I reviewed a book a while back called "Entity Possession" on just this sort of thing. Done by an MD psychologist (I seem to recall he was Australian, but that could be wrong).
The "entities" described read a bit like servitors - not quite complete minds, more like complexes who invade healthy psyches like parasites.
Book was put out by one of the Inner Traditions imprints.
Aha! A quick search turns up this wonderful page! Samuel Sagan is his name.
quote:
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Case study 1.1 Thirty-two year old woman, secretary.
What can you perceive? -It's red, it's angry. It's as if I've been taken over. It's something that I've been fighting all my life. It inspires hatred. It's madness, but not madness fromthe body. Maybe it's my dark side. But it does not feel like me.

When did you feel it for the first time? -Now, actually. But I have always known it was there. [The client is crying, with her fists clenched.] I feel that it could make me kill, and I mean it. It fills up my body with hatred, it's sheer destruction.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

He also wrote that cats seem to be attracted to the "negative" spaces that entities breed in. Avoid your cat's favorite cold spots. – grant

keep it up, y'all...
 
 
Mordant Carnival
17:19 / 15.08.01
Yeah. The thing I wanted to mention was an experience that had sort of slipped my mind till now.

When I was about nine or ten, I got hold of a book on spiritual healing. It was supremely badly written and credulous as I recall, and didn't impress me much, but it had a chapter on how some diseases might be caused by entities of some kind. Now, when I read this part, I had a strong sense of my asthma being linked in some way to such an entity. I got a very clear mental image of a kind of goblin-like being, as well. It was all really intense and immediate, not like my usual flights of fancy at all.

Some three or four years later I was riding my bike and my asthma kicked up. I had another, similar image flash. This time it was of myself, riding my bike, with this being clinging to me like the world's ugliest rucksack. I had a couple of similar experiences over the next few years.

I wouldn't mention this except for two things. One is that the images were just so intense and pin-point clear. The other is that whilst I've had some success in magickally controlling other health problems, I've never got shot of my asthma for more than a year, and usually only for a few months. Whenever I have controlled it I invariably get something else, usually making the asthma look like a birthday present.

I also had a severe problem with fatigue throughout most of my middle and late teens, sometimes so extreme I could only climb the stairs on my hands and knees. This was never explained, and eventually cleared up by itself.

Any comments?
 
 
Kobol Strom
19:56 / 15.08.01
These suckers are going down.

Two Sundays ago,I woke into a trance at about three am.I see the door opening in my bedroom,in reverse,opening from the side thats normally fixed to the wall.I close my eyes.I can feel something on my left shoulder,and I open my eyes and look.Its a leathery brown tendril and its got a tight grip on me.I move my hand up to see if I can move it,and I see the corner of it,its a 'seaweed pom pom',and as I move my hand up,a hand grabs it and spins my body 360 degrees through my bed covers,then just as I 'm thinking,'this isn't entirely normal', I'm back in my body,and the plant is gone,the spirits that came through the door,are leaving,to the sound of five clashes on a cymbal.I wake into full consciousness immediately,still looking at the spot where they flew off,with a sense that If I followed them I'd be somewhere really unusual.The date was the morning of the 22nd.Who are the plant suckers?Do other people get help from spirits?Is this shit for real?

Actually I shouldn't say that.I know fine well this shits for real.

A few days around the beginning of last week,I had a pain around my chest area,where I seemed to have pulled a muscle during the night.This has completely faded away.and I've felt clear ever since.

[ 15-08-2001: Message edited by: kobol strom ]
 
 
Kobol Strom
20:29 / 15.08.01
In the past,there have been moments when the spirits have worked their will to extradite parasitical entities of one kind or another,as well as other strange feats of a completely unexplainable nature on me.I don't count this as magickal work,its a whole other set of journeys that have led to developements,but in these states of consciousness,the sprits will let me know exactly what they think about my use of magick,and that it must be used for good,and not for acts of destruction,which can somehow do damage to either the mage,or the body of light,or to others,or all three,and possibly some I can't fathom.I'm paraphrasing ,but one of the messages I've got back is,upon waking from a bad dream,or a good one,to always strive to be sane,be yourself,and seek the answers in waking reality.

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SMS
00:25 / 16.08.01
These experiences sound a bit different from the little I know about sleep paralysis. Has anyone here studied the subject? Could the condition be the same as the experiences with the astral suckers?
 
 
Tucker Tripp
02:52 / 16.08.01
What little do you know about sleep paralysis, because I know nothing and it sounds interesting.

I have also had problems with "bad" dream phenomena. The thing I can't seem tp work out is what causes good or bad dreams. I tend to go through phases of incredibly vivid beautiful deep mystical dreams (these are the good ones). But the bad ones are far more prevalent and often involve various incarnations of various personal hells. There doesn't seem to be an in between.

Often in my bad dreams I feel as though my energy is being drained or I am being subjected to tortures in order to weaken my relsove or defenses.

I often remember my dreams for a short time after expereincing them. For people like this maybe an option is to identify whatever the main antagonist(s) is and divise and weapon or remedy to combat and defeat it(them). Then use the weapon/remedy as a meditative or visualisation focus as you go to sleep. You are likely to bring the weapon with you into the dream state. I have even expereinced conscious choice action in dream states.

This has reminded me of that. I will try it myself and get back to you.
 
 
SMS
03:19 / 16.08.01
excerpt from The Meme Machine: During dreaming sleep most of our muscles are paralysed so that we do not act out our dreams. By the time we wake up this paralysis has usually worn off and we know nothing about it (unless experiments intervene).

However, the mechanism that keeps waking and dreaming apart can sometimes fail, especially in people who work shifts or have very disrupted sleep. Sometimes people wake up, can look around and think clearly, and yet are quite unable to move.

Common sensations accompanying the paralysis including buzzing and humming noises, vibrations of the body or bed, a powerful sense that there is somebody or something in the room with you, and strange lights floating about.

Since sexual arousal in dreams is common this can also persist into the paralysis. Sometimes, people feel as though they are being touched or pulled or even lifted from their bodies.

If you recognise the symptoms, and can keep your cool, the best response is to relax and wait; the paralysis wears off within a minute or two. If you try to struggle you only make matters worse.


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Mordant Carnival
04:16 / 16.08.01
Yeah, I get that from time to time. 'Snot nice, but it's harmless. Apparently there's some hormone produced during sleep which damps down electrical activity. Usually it's gone from your system when you wake but sometimes there's a bit left sloshing around. Or so I've heard, anyway.

The thing to do if this happens to you is stay calm. Try taking some deep breaths, and blinking your eyes. Eventually you'll snap out of it.
 
 
Kobol Strom
06:07 / 16.08.01
And they're still there.They're talking to you,they have an individual life.Jesus,I can see the difference between flashing lights and paranoid delusions,and this ain't it.I've got total respect for DR Blackmore,but in this case I think shes wrong,I've closed my eyes to relax and breath through it.They are still around,they can answer questions,they have eyes and faces and can do a whole manner of amazing things to you.This isn't a delusion,this is a case where its as real as any so-called delusion can be,to the point where it is as real as corn-flakes.!
 
 
Warewullf
06:39 / 16.08.01
quote:Originally posted by SMatthewStolte:

Common sensations accompanying the paralysis including buzzing and humming noises, vibrations of the body or bed, a powerful sense that there is somebody or something in the room with you, and strange lights floating about.


This is the state you're supposed to try to get into before you Astral Project.

I attained it once. It was the night a few months back when I had my lucid dream.
 
 
z3r0
11:49 / 16.08.01
Wanna get in contact with them really quick?
Lay down straight, facing the ceiling and put both hands in the back of your head.
Sleep in this position.

Guarantee you they'll come.
 
 
Logos
12:46 / 16.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Warewullf:


This is the state you're supposed to try to get into before you Astral Project.

I attained it once. It was the night a few months back when I had my lucid dream.

I dunno. What she's describing are called night terrors, and are pretty much the opposite of what you want if you're going on a toddle without your body attached.

Interesting thread. I ran into the plant thingies a while back, and had to really take some steps to clear them out. Not fun.
  
 
Mordant Carnival
15:31 / 16.08.01
Mummy, I'm scared of the herbacious border!
 
 
SMS
16:06 / 16.08.01
quote:Originally posted by kobol strom:
And they're still there.They're talking to you,they have an individual life.Jesus,I can see the difference between flashing lights and paranoid delusions,and this ain't it.I've got total respect for DR Blackmore,but in this case I think shes wrong,I've closed my eyes to relax and breath through it.They are still around,they can answer questions,they have eyes and faces and can do a whole manner of amazing things to you.This isn't a delusion,this is a case where its as real as any so-called delusion can be,to the point where it is as real as corn-flakes.!

What do they know? What questions can you ask them?
 
 
Kobol Strom
17:28 / 16.08.01
Sorry,I posted quickly,and i should have made it clear I was refering to communicaton with the spirit space gardeners,who seem to have done me a service by removing the entity off my shoulder by pushing me out of my body,and spinning me around.At least,thats what seemed to be happening. Which was jolly nice of them.

Specifically,they know about removing plant entities.
They know about manipulating astral bodies.
They know about moving through environments inaccessable to me at the moment.
They know how developed astrally I am,and check up on me from time to time,about once a month.
When I have asked questions of them,they have an answer,if they are the right type.
When one of them is nearby,I can feel them.
An example of a few questions they've replied to that I have asked on separate occasions are:1.What do you think about my role as an artist?(paraphrased)Answer:Kobol Strom(sounded like),You're imitating nature.
2.Why?(are you fixing my body and why does it look like an alien to me?:I was astral)
Answer (there was no response from robotic spirit entity on this occasion.)
3.Why can't I astrally project by myself?
Answer:You need to be shown,be taught.

more soon......

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Lionheart
17:56 / 16.08.01
Interestingly enough, what interests me most about this thread is not the plant thingies, the gardeners, the astral part of it but the fact that the door opened "in reverse". I've had dreams where when I move my bed away from the wall, where the floor is supposed to be, there is instead a hole leading to an apartment below with some old man who's living there. And we chat and then I come back up into my room. then I push my bed back to the wall and then pull it out again to go down, but I can't cuz there's now only floor. (uhm.... That came out sounding very messed up.)

Plus, in a lot of dreams, I am in my old apartment and there's a closet in the living room which is there in real life. Well, I step into the closet and turn to the right and.. there's another door leading to a gigantic and unknown part of the house. Now this door doesn't exist in real life, and the gigantic unknown part of the house also doesn't exist but here's what i'm wondering. What if the world works differently from what we assume? What if some places which we assume are solid are, or have in them, openings that we cannot access straight away or in our "normal" state of conciousness? for example, let's say you're in a prison cell. To escape you come up to the wall and go "sideways". Not parallel or perpendicular to the wall, and not diagonally to the wall, but "sideways" into a direction in which we do not usuallly go or are not aware of going. What if our places of residence have a lot more entrances than we realize? Have a lot more space than we realize?

Uhm... ok, so basically there's no point to this post except to relate the idea above.

!!!MONKEYS!!!
 
 
enough
19:32 / 16.08.01
Read The Art Of Dreaming by Carlos Castaneda.It goes into detail about inorganic beings like the ones described and how to deal with them.

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solid~liquid onwards
11:03 / 19.08.01
The Art Of Dreaming by Carlos Castaneda is a very good book and i recomend it...i practice astral projection (although i cant get far from my body without being pulled back)and ive read most stuff out there about it but. ive never had the leechy things, but they seem to be quite common. i ws once attacked by a shadow type entity but i used a sheild to protect myself and then struck back with blades that pretruded from my sheild (basic psychic defence) which scared it off. suposidly these parasites or nasties lurk about on the lower vibrational planes and are generally experienced by astral projecters or in lucid dreams. i reckon they are atracted to negative thoughts such as fear.
"Common sensations accompanying the paralysis including buzzing and humming noises, vibrations of the body or bed, a powerful sense that there is somebody or something in the room with you, and strange lights floating about."

i have experienced all of these before leaving your body, i induce the vibrations, and then use a mental techinique to leave my body...anyone can do it with practice

i have been very breif so ask if you have any questions

very
 
 
pacha perplexa
15:17 / 19.08.01
Sometimes In the middle of a dream I would wake up with the sensation of hands squeezing and poking my ribs.

The sensation starts with a dream. The first time it happened I was 5, my brother was a new born and I dreamed I was walking around his craddle when a butterfly started flying around me. She began to tickle me, then I don't know what she did, but I felt pain.
I woke up and my ribs were aching, and there it was: the feeling that fingers had tickled me strong enough to cause pain.

This happend many times, with various "dream characters" (like skeletons, or even people). I was terrorized everytime I felt the thing beggining, but there was nothing I could do to stop it from getting worse and painful.

I never saw any marks, not that I remember.
And it's been more than three years since the last time it happened.
 
 
Mister Snee
11:01 / 14.09.01
I am the necromancer of threads.

Jesus, horrifying recurring nightmares. I hate that. Way back when I was a li'l 'un, I used to have the same dream at least three or four times a week, for at least four months: I would be in some room in my house, which seemed completely normal. I didn't have the first inclination that I was dreaming (these dreams were usually at least partially lucid -- if not totally in my actions, at least in my running internal "narration"), and the dream would usually begin with me walking into some room or another (again, totally normal), where the lights would be out and the room was very dark. I would go to turn on a light, but it wouldn't come on -- or it would come on for a split-second, then blow out, or it would come on but flickering and very very dim. At that point, the entire room would become terrifying, and menacing, and I'd feel all the old scared-of-the-dark stuff kicking up (which by that age I was, for all intents and purposes, pretty much past). At this point something would attack me, and I would wake up.

I'd never get a clear view of what jumped me but it was usually from the front. Some dark shape would just leap on me, knock me down and I'd wake up, absolutely terrified.

These dreams occurred so often that I got to expect them. I still wouldn't know I was dreaming when they began but when I'd go into a room, turn on the light and nothing happened, I'd know exactly what was coming. I'd usually duck and cover or hide behind some furniture or something, but the thing always got me anyway.

The dreams stopped one day when I walked into a bathroom in my house, flipped on the light and the bulb blew. (In real life, I mean.) For some reason after that the dreams never came again. And no, I don't have any particular phobia of having to replace lightbulbs which I was forced to dramatically confront at this bathroom crossroads -- they just stopped, for some reason.

Christ. Thinking about it still scares the hell out of me.

Then there were times in bed that I'd hear a voice, a "real", physical voice, yell at me so loudly I'd wake straight up and be afraid to try to go back to sleep. My last girlfriend was once almost asleep when she felt a hand slap her on the face, very hard.

A veritable potpourri of hypnopsychoses in every post!

Er, sorry about the resurrecting-dead-threads thing, 's just that I've been away for a very very long time et al.
 
 
Kobol Strom
20:23 / 02.10.01
I wanted to mention that this stuff has been happening again this last week,and that I have reason to believe in at least one or none of these two possibles.

1.I think that at least one of the entities that I dealt with,had external validity in relation to my astral body,but the form and manifestation was taken from my unconscious,or someone elses.The spirit of someone elses mother was smothering me.

2.I held out another spirit,about a week and a half ago,who appeared to be a withered version of me,and I questioned it about who it was,and it claimed to be my 'fears'.

Both of these instances have made me wonder about the external validity of this phenomenon.I think that this kind of unseen 'damage' may be a natural process,that only people in trance,or other states, can take notice of.
Either way,the clarity upon lifting these subtely oppressive forces,is remarkable.I wanted to pose the theory,that through these trance states,we can go into a dream like we walk into a room.I'm becoming less sure,that this cathartic cleansing,has anything to do with the Astral Plane at all.So,The Astral Entities are internal problems abstracted,or 'ousted'.
Flying about the room with your body of light is still -'external'.In so far as I can tell.
I now view the real Astral plane,and the guides which sometimes wait for us there,as something completely alternate to the mental conditioning that we can break out of in trance,-which appears as a grappling,or smothering external entity or 'sucker'.

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Lothar Tuppan
03:10 / 03.10.01
I haven't been keeping abreast of this thread (it started when I was in Mexico) so I may not have a good enough grasp of what's going on, if so let me know, but is there a possibility that you might be going through an 'initiatory crisis'? Worrying about whether these beings are internal or external might be beside the point. What they're trying to tell you may be more important. The next time your 'fears' show up try and ask it what it's afraid of. Maybe an 'external' force is the only thing that can point out something internal that you are intimate with (the fears that you may be ready to shed).
 
 
Kobol Strom
15:48 / 03.10.01
That sounds like so much sense,Lothar,thanks.
Next time I get the chance ,I'll put that into effect.
I've been largely preoccupied with work a lot lately,but I can't help but be plagued by anxieties from the past.And it seems to make no sense.These unwanted feelings,and the process of removal,are continuing.What the end result is I don't know,but I figure that sooner rather than later,I'll run out of stuff to exorcise.There has to be an end to this.
As each facet of a nightmare is extradited,there seems to be more possibility to grow as a spirit.
Once ,I woke into a mountain region,and could see this malformed structure that I had been inhabiting,like a grey cuboid with deformed patterns all over it,which was a representation of the state of mind I was in,the one that was plaguing me.Before,in The Hanged man thread, you mentioned 'The tree of woe',and it seems that then,standing on the mountain,I had escaped from this state.I also felt 'Why did I ever put up with that?'.I was thinking last night,about how it may be necessary before journeying or astral travel,to be cleansed of all this baggage.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
00:32 / 04.10.01
quote:Originally posted by kobol strom:
I've been largely preoccupied with work a lot lately,but I can't help but be plagued by anxieties from the past.And it seems to make no sense.These unwanted feelings,and the process of removal,are continuing.


Welcome to ego rebellion your old shit ain't gonna die easy is it?

quote:
What the end result is I don't know,but I figure that sooner rather than later,I'll run out of stuff to exorcise.There has to be an end to this.


There will be. I've always found that when this stuff happens that although it feels overwhelming, you wouldn't be experiencing it if you didn't have the choice to free yourself from your old prisons.

I know it sounds weird, but I think it's really cool that you're going through this. So many people go through life without fighting these battles, let alone knowing that they can be fought. Be your own 'hero', free yourself, and then give yourself a relaxing weekend on the beach or something when its over.
 
 
Rev. Jesse
13:27 / 04.10.01
Kobol:

Go out and buy one of those American Indian dreamcatcher hoops and some Florida or Holy water (aviable at local Botanicas or religious supply stores). Throw the water around the corners of your room, do a strong banishing and hang up the dreamcather over your bed. Buring some sage might help too, esp. given that this is a issue with the pure vegatable kingdom.

You may also wish to consider renting a motel room or crashing with a friend for a week to see if this is a manifestation that is limited to your flat or if it follows you.

How well are you treating your plants around the house? If they are suffering, they maybe projected this onto you. You may wish to try removing them for a week (sending them to a friend's house) or ditching them and buying new ones. I've never heard of plants generating etheric manifestations (aside from peyote and the like), but hey, a lot of traditions have stories of plant spirits and you may need to appease your houseplants for some reason. Any plants with suckers or that look like your spirits would be prime targets.

As a side note, exaimine your eating and sleeping habits. You may wish to avoid heavy foods before sleeping and you may also want to try a simplified diet for a week. Since the issue seems to be repeating, it is probably (mostly) pyschic, but a physiological change may help things.

Try and deal with the physical links and source of the manifestations as purely physic solutions do not seem to work.

-Jesse
 
 
Kobol Strom
16:00 / 04.10.01
quote: Go out and buy one of those American Indian dreamcatcher hoops and some Florida or Holy water (aviable at local Botanicas or religious supply stores). Throw the water around the corners of your room, do a strong banishing and hang up the dreamcather over your bed. Buring some sage might help too, esp. given that this is a issue with the pure vegatable kingdom.



This would work I feel,perhaps too well,by the sounds of it.
I'll try to spruce up the old abode and see what develops.Cheers.


quote: , you wouldn't be experiencing it if you didn't have the choice to free yourself from your old prisons.


Completely.I just want to go back there you know?.Its nice.When you get to a point where you are in another 'place' remembering another life,theres a powerful feeling of 'Oh God!I really missed this.'.You know?
I was watching a documentary about 6 months ago about The making of Bladerunner,and Rutger Hauer was talking about the lines he wrote for the end scene of the film,where he's saying his last words.'I've seen things you people wouldn't believe..'.But what I know now is,there are many things that we have all lived through,in this life,in these dreams,in another life,and in lives to come possibly,that we can experience first hand,-that no-one else is supposed to believe anyway.
I need to rid myself of all this garbage thats been choking my 'spirit' for years.One of the reasons for the continuance of the struggle,is clearly,a selfish desire to return to the 'other',like Lovecraft's 'DreamQuest of Unknown Kadath'.You can't hover at the borders of your own mind,and not wonderwhat lies beyond.-And not desire,having come back,to sort your ship out,before you set sail again.

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Ierne
17:02 / 09.11.01
Boy, am I glad this thread was in the archives! Because last night I had an intense dream with plant suckers in them. Here Goes:

I was in a brownstone much like the one I live in now. On the parlor floor strange plants were living on the ceiling and the top corners of the rooms. They reached towards the chandeliers and light fixtures. They reminded me of kobol strom's astral plant suckers, but they weren't attacking anyone. They resembled a cross between a cactus and an aloe vera plant; thick and fleshy, with hairs extruding from their tendrils. They were sage colored, a whitish green. There was no root structure, they held onto the ceiling by means of suction. The part closest to the ceiling was swollen and round, and each plant had from two to four tendrils.

There was a party of sorts on the parlor floor. I saw a woman I recognized, the ex-girlfriend of an ex-employer. (NOTE: They had a 24-7 S/M relationship until the girlfriend (bottom) left my boss (top). There was intervention involved, if I recall; her friends came one day and packed her things while my boss was out, and took her away.) She was drinking a clear liquid from a tall glass. I also remember a tall man dressed in a purple frock coat; his auburn hair fell just beneath his shoulders and he carried a walking stick (blackthorn). He had a whiskey on the rocks, but instead of ice cubes in his glass there were batteries (C-type – the kind used in boom boxes) and the acid was leaking into the drink. I walked upstairs to avoid him but he walked behind me. I remember the sensation of my bad ankle almost giving way as I walked up, but it didn't and I kept going. He never spoke directly to me, but I remember he had a beautiful voice.

On the 3rd floor there was a small boy, one of the kids from my aunt's daycare (NOTE: my aunt is also my landlady). He had to go upstairs because someone was changing the light fixtures. There were two of them, they resembled the windows of the Algonquin Hotel in Midtown Manhattan: rippled curved glass of an almost rounded trapezoidal shape. I found the kid again on the fourth floor in a darkened room. I turned on the light and he ran out to the stairwell, saying that he had to pee. The bathroom was outside the apartment, a tiny room in the stairwell (just as it is in the brownstone I live in). I flipped up the seat so he could do his thing, then he and I went back downstairs and I woke up at 1:11 AM.

Not sure what to make of it ...
 
 
Mordant Carnival
17:46 / 09.11.01
Iv'e said it before and I'll say it again: Eeeeep!
 
 
Kobol Strom
10:06 / 10.11.01
Thats quite an amazingly varied dream,Ierne.The plant suckers could represent a physical transformation in your house,such as dampness,or something on that mundane level.Alternatively they are a free roaming elemental entity,usually benign but can attach themselves to all kinds of matter,including the object formally known as 'the astral body'.You know which theory gets my vote!
I had two very lucid journeys this morning in which I had travelled to a distant future version of nebraska(?),and I was hanging about admiring the skyscrapers,when a small boy came up to me with a ray-gun.When his parents caught up with him I tried to explain that I intended them no harm but they seemed very hostile to me.And when the father fired his ray gun,a misty vapour hit me,and I slowly woke up ,losing the connection.
The people in this version of the future have grey skin and silvery clothes.Their cities ar bright and clean,but there are still architectural remains from our civilisation on the outskirts of theirs.The boy said something about the location I had appeared in,and something about people who had come before me and the damage they had done.
They don't want us there,and I think they've had enough visits in the past from the likes of people like me.It comes as a slight surprise to travel to these realms in the future,or possible future,where people are actually prejudiced against us.

In the second trip I travelled to the same city,but with less skyscrapers,which seemed to be like our contemporary cities,but here no-one could see me,and here they were actually human in appearance.I ran about trying to get a look at a billboard or a road sign,and I saw a poster for the 'cambridge underground station',as well as a shop front that said,'Israel's ...".
I also began to have a closer look at this place but it seemed to be too much like a normal 21st century city,in that there was too much to see and not enough to learn.

Frickin weird.

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Ierne
10:31 / 10.11.01
I wonder if the suckers (if indeed that's what they are) are leeching off the energy of the house itself...The brownstone in my dream was very similar in structure and layout to the one I live in, and this house has been standing since 1884. It definitely has a vibe.

I'm actually on the parlor floor now as I type... ...keep looking up from time to time...
 
 
Kobol Strom
11:00 / 10.11.01
I'm putting some evidence together about this nebraska vision.Apparently there is a place called Cambridge in Nebraska,and also in Australia,both near Mountain regions,at the moment their population isn't high.I can't find pictures to mactch the place I saw,except images of Scotts bluff which seem vaguely similair.
Also,in Hobart ,Australia,there is a 'Cambridge Underground' Muon Telescope,which is a subterranean radio telescope,I think.But the region doesn't look mountainous enough.
The vision was too vague to get anything else at the moment.But from what I can tell,I saw Cambridge Nebraska in two separate possible time zones,instead of waking up in Cambridge ,England as I was supposed to,I think I might have got a bit lost or confused!Just a theory.

I was going to post about encounters with these 'alien other',but I think the only point I could make is that they might be higher order brain functions or they might be something else.The only information I can get back from these encounters tends to be realy hippy stuff,like 'stop the war',and 'save the planet' and,'the Earth isn't as populated by animals as it could be',you know?The kind of messages you would expect from intergalactic day time tv hosts!
 
 
Toasty
17:57 / 10.11.01
Wow! I thought I was just f***ed up, but no. It appears other have this sort of problem too. For years I've always had these uncontrollable quantities in any sort of 'vision quest' 'astral' things I do. Long tentacles appearing from those unprotected angles, and distances, just reaching in and taking something from me. Kinda like a ghost of me being removed. Didn't feel any worse after, but it didn't seem good.

Is it at all a possibility that these things are good for us? I've not read the whole of this thread so I'm not sure if it's been covered before. I just get the feeling that maybe they have a reason or purpose, maybe some sort of auric cleaning service, like those black and white fish, only astral/ethric rather than scales and skin.

Could well be just some respawning servitor that's been around for so long it's gotten most places...

Hmmm. Toasty.
 
 
Papess
22:56 / 10.11.01
I have heard similar reports about addictions and astral entities being related. Smoking for example, is perpetuated not only by our mortal cravings but also those of certain beings that attach themselves to the back of a smoker's neck. There are beings that are so much in need of alcohol (or it's energies) that they attach themselves to urinals at bars to get a "second hand drink". It sounds disgusting but there are worse life forms that "sleep" in drugs. These beings can be very possessive of the drug user. When the drug user takes drugs they become a host body for these beings. This is their chance at having a corporeal body and they will use the host until they die and then look for a new mortal portal.

Pretty Freaky Man

-May Tricks
 
 
Tamayyurt
23:10 / 10.11.01
Whoa, this just radiates story ideas! I really like the piss-drinkers!
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:35 / 11.11.01
I was siiting in my garden in the summer contemplating space and time with my parents - it's non-linearity as in what if our minds just create time as linear and we live in every moment at all times. I started arranging things in to dimensions: objects like furniture and cars as 1-D, plants and trees as 2-D (they can't move freely through space but are rooted to one point on this earth) and people as 3-D. I mention this because assuming plants aren't aware of our existence and neither are objects then are we not aware of 4-D beings?

Are the astral entities that you see 4-D? I just don't know... it's all getting beyond me now.

I find astral projection scarey - I'm terrified of what I might see... I get enough feeling from, say, sitting in a room. I've always lived in old houses and am prone to seeing figures out of the corner of my eye or being aware that someone's watching me. I walked in to my bedroom about three years ago and someone was lying in my bed and I just turned round and walked out... five seconds later they were gone again but I have this inkling, I've never been able to shake it, that it was me. All of this makes the idea of opening my mind up at night very very creepy.
 
  
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