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Mystery or Puzzle Narratives

 
 
mkt
13:08 / 16.02.04
I'm interested in finding out about texts that require a degree of work on the part of the reader, not just in the broad sense of interpretation but in terms of actually 'solving' the text - this implies that the author may have left clues, etc, and perhaps made a 'solution' available.
To clarify, I suppose examples of the kind of thing I'm curious about would be maybe a literary version of Masquerade (the treasure-huntin' picture book) or just a detective story where the solution is not provided.
Any suggestions, anyone? Do the suggested texts function successfully as literary texts, would you say, or are they simply puzzles in book form?
 
 
_Boboss
13:30 / 16.02.04
neal stephenson's Quiksilver and Cryptonomicon are both heavy on the encrypted text, a little extra for the reader with a dose of obsessive-compulsive. in cryptonomicon he even supplies the rules for the original cypher that was used.

if you mean just tec-fic stuff, look in google for aleister crowley's simon iff stories, dead short five-min pieces with lots of oblique, taoist detection and 'but of course' bits, hunchbacks chasing soldiers and stuff.

and if you have a lifetime finnegans wake.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
13:51 / 16.02.04
I enjoyed Paul Auster's New York Trilogy - they're all ostensibly detective stories, but what is happening to the narrator (or the main character) is more complicated than what they are asked to solve, and not explained at all. It's been a while since I've read them, so I'm probably not doing the best job of explaining this -but they're good fun, and also seem to fit what you're asking for!
 
 
woodenpidgeon
14:46 / 16.02.04
Most Nabokov stories require a bit of work:

Lolita and Pale Fire come to mind. (If you haven't actually read Lolita it's very very different than one would think).

Both books are full of anagrams, puzzles, unreliable narrators. Great! and infuriating. I don't think that there really is a 'solution' that can universally agreed upon-- but that's life.

I suppose you can work out the chess moves for 'Through the Looking Glass'.

Borges' short story -- 'the Aleph' really begs for a solution. I think Terrance McKenna has suggested an almost credible one.
Any of the Borges stories come highly recommended from me.

Also 'The Erasers' by Alain Robbe-Grillet really asks for a solution- though there was a trick embedded in it as Robbe-Grillet had a lot of distain for critical work and it cost one faculty member his reputation.
 
 
Baz Auckland
04:06 / 17.02.04
The Egyptian Jukebox is a strange puzzle book....but more visual than literary I guess...

I remember Masquerade when I was a kid. Apparently the first one to determine the location of the rabbit was to contact the author who would accompany you to the supposed location, where upon digging, you would find a jeweled rabbit prize...



hey! if you buy the paperback, it gives the answer! (if only I had that 15 years ago...)
 
 
woodenpidgeon
06:02 / 17.02.04
There was a story circulating a couple of years ago about a math textbook that has some very fine print in the front. The first person to read it and respond, won the author's classic car (Mustang or the like).

Someone came across it and the author forked it over. Maybe someone remembers the story.
 
 
mkt
07:02 / 17.02.04
[Can't believe I'm rotting my own thread]
Baz - Masquerade is an interesting one. It ended up as a rather sad story - check in the FAQs for information about the 'winner' of the golden hare...
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Thanks for all these replies - I shall go and bother the library tomorrow.
Just out of curiosity, to anyone who has read these texts - what are your opinions on 'closed' texts like this that nevertheless require you to do the leg/brainwork? Can a text function successfully as a puzzle (must find a better term for this!) with one intended outcome and as a work of literature?
 
 
mkt
07:07 / 17.02.04
By the way, this is fairly unlikely but in case anyone doesn't want to see them I should warn that there are Masquerade SPOILERS IN THE LINK ABOVE. Although why you'd bother now is another matter entirely.
 
 
woodenpidgeon
21:50 / 17.02.04
Well I haven't read Masquerade, but I kind of doubt that any book can actually be 'closed'.

If it is a true puzzle book with an answer-- then there is the story of the solution of the puzzle-- who gets at the meaning first-- and that story will always be fixed to the book, as the discovery is another narrative.

Of course there are always the 'against the grain' readings that will likely try to find holes in even the simplest novels. Readers of James' The Turn of the Screw may be surprised at some of the readings.

I kind of have an affinity for puzzle books that are about puzzles-- but have multiple solutions. I don't know-- I guess if I find an embedded puzzle with one solution, I'd be a bit distrustful and try to find another-- or a hole in the solution.
 
 
mkt
07:07 / 18.02.04
woodenpigeon: Thanks for the reply.

I kind of doubt that any book can actually be 'closed'.

Me too. Hence the quotation marks. Referring to a text as closed, a la Umberto Eco, is merely to distinguish a text where there is an intended reading that it heavily pushed in the text as opposed to an 'open' text which is designed to allow interpretation. I use it to signify the author's intention rather than the reader's capability - and the relevance of authorial intent is a whole other can of worms.
Your point about the story of the solution is a very interesting one, and it's an angle I hadn't considered. Cheers!
 
 
woodenpidgeon
06:45 / 20.02.04
misty-

Thanks for the clarification -- I think I'm a little behind on the game here.

It's interesting that some seemingly 'closed' texts actually are 'open' or 'opened'- once cannonized. Hamlet for instance.

Speaking of Hamlet, I just read a great novel by Iris Murdoch, 'The Black Prince' which is something that would seem to be an 'open' text, but I believe is actually 'closed' due to: Author's intention, and a careful read. People who liked 'Lolita' may enjoy this text to (an the intentional similarities). Great Novel though. If anyone has read it, I'd love a discussion, but I'd rather not go any deeper than this, as not to spoil it.

BTW- where could I find the Eco discussion on 'open' v. 'closed'?
 
 
Jack Vincennes
09:47 / 20.02.04
woodenpigeon, I thought that The Black Prince was excellent as well -I've read a few Iris Murdoch novels, and thought that one was the best I've read thus far. Certainly didn't expect the endings / epilogues that it ended with, but, likewise, don't want to spoil it here! Reminded me of Lolita as well (in more than one way), and it's very funny too.

misty laine, if you're at all interested in general 'unreliable narrator' type novels, Remains Of The Day and Flaubert's Parrot (as I have banged on about here before) are both great as well...
 
 
mkt
07:38 / 24.02.04
woodenpigeon: Eco gives a nice overview of his opinions on open/closed texts in "The Role of the Reader" - I read an updated version, which apparently has quite a lot of material added since its original publication. To grossly oversimplify his argument, Eco contends that a closed text can suceed in its intention - ie, be so limited as to only allow one 'correct' reading. Hmmm.
...But anyway, it's a neat distinction and is well explained.

Thanks to everyone for all the suggestions. I shall put my research hat on and get reading.
 
 
The Strobe
06:44 / 25.02.04
In terms of unreliable narrator stuff, you might well enjoy Patrick McGrath's novels; Dr Haggard's Disease is his best, but Spider, the wonderful Asylum, and The Grotesque are all equally curious in their narrative perspective, and, most interestingly, all for different reasons. Spider is written from the point of view of a schizophrenic - in some ways, whilst very similar, the feeling is very different to Cronenberg's film, because what you're essentially reading in the book is a sensical version of Spider's gibberish-notebooks.

Have we mentioned Pynchon? If not: Pynchon. You'll want a nice big internet connection next to you, and most of the stuff you don't know and have to look up is irrelevant, but it makes the reading process more like research. I have a page or two of notes I needed for Crying of Lot 49 just to connect up the last few dots.

Kit Williams is rather interesting; I only ever had the copy of Masquerade with the solution in the back, and even then, it was bloody difficult. I'm moderately handy with cryptic crosswords, but this threw me. Still, I nearly got the title of his untitled second book (which is beautiful, too).

You might also enjoy BS Johnson's The Unfortunates. It comes in a box (or maybe now, in its paperback incarnation) in a bag, and every chapter is bound seperately. It encourages you to disrupt a linear flow to read it - so you have a choice of orders, and have to decide which you prefer. I must admit I haven't read it, but it can be found reasonably on Abebooks.com . I have read Christie Malry's Own Double-Entry, which is stunning and probably deserves a thread of its own...

Oh, and there's that double ending to The French Lieutenant's Woman that always comes into discussions of pomo choice-based narratives. I might be straying from what you wanted, but these ideas come to mind when presented with your question.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
12:21 / 25.02.04
Can't forget House of Leaves by Mark Danielewski. There are several layers of narrative, and it's up to the reader to figure them out. Oh, and there are codes to decipher. Write them out in the margins of the book, I did.
 
 
mkt
10:03 / 27.02.04
Ooh, codes. That's the kind of thing I'm looking for. Misty likes codes.
 
 
EvskiG
18:32 / 27.02.04
Almost anything by Gene Wolfe. The Book of the New Sun, the Book of the Long Sun, the Book of the Short Sun, the Latro books, etc.

Most of these are puzzle books in one sense or another, although they function admirably as literary texts. I've read some of them a half-dozen times and still find new things each time. Books where the identity of the narrator is critical but unstated. Books where the unrelated events that take place between chapters are at least as important as the chapters themselves. Books where major plot points are scattered throughout three or more novels so they only become apparent upon reflection. Books where the narrator lies. Much, much more. There are discussion groups on the Internet that exist solely to puzzle these issues out.

If you're interested, I'd start with the Book of the New Sun, usually published in two parts: Shadow & Claw, and Sword & Citadel.
 
 
grant
14:27 / 01.03.04
Gene Wolfe is lots and lots of fun.

I think some of Roald Dahl's short stories (for grownups) had the kind of weird, twisty endings that you only figured out a couple minutes after reading them.

Hmm. The anthology I'm thinking of was Kiss, Kiss, although there might have been some in Over to You.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
14:47 / 01.03.04
In the UK they were released as Tales Of The Unexpected and More Tales Of The Unexpected, although that was some time ago as I read the copies my parents had. So if they're not out under those names, then I'd imagine there'd be a Complete Short Stories of some sort which'll have them.

In most of those, as grant said, the puzzle isn't so much in the stories themselves, but in working out what happened in the end, or in working out what was going to happen when the story was over. They're pleasingly creepy, as well.
 
  
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