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Pig fat on buses to deter suicide bombers

 
 
the Fool
22:31 / 12.02.04
Something I found on BBC world. Strange belief games are to be played on israeli buses to deter suicide bombings... Like using garlic to deter vampires, bags of pig lard are apparently going to stop islamic fundamentalists from blowing themselves up.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3484277.stm

My favourite part are the guns that shoots pig lard at suspects. Like a water pistol fight only more greasy. I don't know if this is sort of funny or deeply disturbing.
 
 
Jack Fear
23:57 / 12.02.04
Oh, for Christ's sake. Does it not occur to these people that if their rabbis will grant them a special dispensation to touch pig fat, that the mullahs of their opposite numbers can just do the same fucking thing?

Does no one consult Snopes before they try these moronic things?

Such notions reduce an extremely widespread and diverse religion — and the people who follow it — to a monolithic entity with a single set of beliefs and rules to which everyone adheres. ... [This idea is] as silly as Muslims' proclaiming that a good way to throw the USA into disarray would be to "bomb" America with juicy steaks on Fridays, because "Americans are Christians," and "everyone knows Christians who eat meat on Fridays go to Hell." Never mind that not all Americans are Christians, that not all Christians are Catholics, that not all Catholics believe in exactly the same things, that not all Catholics are equally religious or faithful, and that even the "rules" of Catholicism have changed over time.

Also implicit in this type of reasoning is the notion that "terrorist," "Muslim terrorist," "fanatical Muslim" and "devout Muslim" are all synonymous. They aren't — just as not all Muslims are terrorists, not all terrorists are Muslims; one need not be devout to be fanatical, and not all religious fanatics are devout. Religion can be just as much about politics and power as it is about faith, and counter-religious behavior is often justified or sanctioned in the service of a "greater cause." The terrorists who hijacked American Airlines Flight 11 were reportedly seen partaking of alcohol and engaging the services of naked lap dancers, activities which should have been anathema to true Muslims. Perhaps they were Muslims in name only, maybe they weren't all that devout, or possibly they rationalized that Allah would overlook their transgressions with booze and women since they were about to die in the service of Islam. Whatever the case, concerns about the afterlife probably wouldn't have dissuaded the hijackers from their plans to crash Flight 11 into the World Trade Center had a few pigs turned up on board the plane. If Allah was a concern, well, the hijackers could choose to believe that Allah would understand and make allowances for true warriors of the faith — after all, the Koran teaches against suicide in the first place.


Emphases mine; more at link about various historical (and apocryphal) attempts to deter "Muslim extremists" by using swine products.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
23:57 / 12.02.04
But doesn't this make sense? Won't suicide bombers be genuinely concerned about becoming unclean, and therefore losing their virgins?
 
 
Jack Fear
00:00 / 13.02.04
%Yeah, cos it's all about the virgins--not about any economic or political grievances.%
 
 
bio k9
04:06 / 13.02.04
Whats the big deal about virgins anyway? An eternity of lousy awkward sex? Yay!

Bacon grease congeals as it cools so what I want to know is: Exactly what type of pig lard is going to be used in the squirt guns?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:24 / 13.02.04
Not to mention, of course, that if you're given special dispensation to a) kill innocents and b) commit suicide, then surely dietary regulations need not apply?
 
 
Jack Fear
11:25 / 13.02.04
Okay okay okay: let's put the "seventy virgins" canard to rest, right fucking now.

The faithful Muslim is not promised "seventy virgins" per se in the afterlife. What he is promised is that he will be attended by seventy houris. An houri is a creature of pure spirit, rather like an angel--it never had a corporeal existence on Earth.

And it lacks free will, having been made by God for the specific purpose of sexually griatifying the souls of faithful men: a sex-bot, essentially--letting the faithful off the hook for chargesof"objectification," because, in a real sense, the houri is an object.

Because houris are creatures of spirit, their manifestations are mutable--they can alter their forms and appearances, so that they can be whatever sort of sexual partner is desired: plump, thin, young, middle-aged, the whole range of human (male-identified) polymorphous perversity. Houris can be virginal or not, at their master's choice, and can renew their virginity at will. Neat trick.

(As to the "why would anybody want to have sex with a virgin anyway" question, that's a whole other weird deal.)

Intercourse with an houri can also produce offspring, if (and only if) the master wishes it so. If offspring are desired, they are always male, and grow to full stature within an hour of birth. Also a neat trick.

So the sexual idyll of the Muslim afterlife is not so much about virgins as it is about control: all the factors that complicate sex on Earth (the availability and/or willingness of a preferred type of partner, worries over reproduction or lack thereof) are put firmly at the command of the man.

Whether that's any more or less horrifying than the oft-repeated and oversimplified "seventy virgins" meme, I don't know. It is what it is.
 
 
doc
11:27 / 13.02.04
pig fat...virgins hmmmm lets get this party started right
 
 
hachiman
13:16 / 17.02.04
(Thread Rot) Most of the Muslim people i know firmly believe the hijackers were CIA/Mossad stooges, and use the testimony of alcohol consumption and lapdances as proof that the hijackers were'nt good pure muslim freedom fighters. And frankly, as a (nominal) Muslim, I agree that pig fat wont be any kind of deterrence to a committed suicide bomber. Jihad supersedes those kinds of considerations. From personal anecdotal experience, when pig fat is smeared on something, we muslim people see it as an insult and are more likely to get violent, not less.
 
 
MJ-12
17:10 / 17.02.04
In all fairness, it's probably no more absurd than anything else the Israili government has been doing.
 
  
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