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How on earth do i get back up?

 
 
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16:35 / 09.02.04
Help.

I've done three sigils over the last few days : One for strength and love, one for truth, and one for clarity.

I've also been reading the book of pleasure by A.O.S. and i'm about half way through and have been reading other stuff on chaos magic.

Now i feel like all of the information in my head is just there and i can't do anything with it. I think the sigils backfired. I didn't write them down i just projected them in my mind and fired them after charging them. I really can't work anything out. I feel like i'm approaching Hod and the negative aspect of the sphere is kicking my fucking head back.

Ow i feel like i'm on meltdown. My energies almost drained to nothing and i need some help. Last night was a nightmare. Can anyone, please help, quite an emergency.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
17:36 / 09.02.04
Now i feel like all of the information in my head is just there and i can't do anything with it.

I'd just chill the fuck out, if I were you. Go for a run, hit some stuff, get pissed. Don't panic. Give your sigils and whatever else you've been doing time to sink in, don't dwell on them or what they might be doing, think about something different, let the magic take care of itself. Try looking at other areas of your life that might be the root cause of the stress you're experiencing, chances are the magic has got bugger all to do with why you're feeling drained.

I think the sigils backfired.

Sounds more like low-grade paranoia to me, your sigil intents are so abstract that it seems unlikely they can go too far awry. I reckon the worst you can expect is maybe a bit of turbulence while the things you've asked for enter into your life, things might get thrown out of wack for a bit as 'strength', 'truth', etc... flood into your reality and try to find some equilibrium.

If it gets tricky, all you can do is roll with the punches and learn from the experience, secure in the knowledge that - by launching the sigils - you willed all of this to happen. You learn the most when you fuck things up and then have to fix them, not that I think that's what you've done in any sense. Although, if you're planning on seriously practicing magic you'll have to get used to dealing with FAR worse crisis situations than this. Take comfort in the fact that this'll seem like a fucking picnic in a couple of years from now. Being a magician is as much about taking responsibility for the results of your own magic, as it is about performing the magic in the first place.

I feel like i'm approaching Hod and the negative aspect of the sphere is kicking my fucking head back.

There can be a temptation, when you're first getting into magic, to frame everything that happens to you in magical or Quabalistic terms, which is sometimes counterproductive and more a product of the ego than anything else. It's very easy to convince yourself that all sorts of high flown cosmic shit is happening to you, when the reality is often a lot simpler and less glamourous.

Ow i feel like i'm on meltdown. My energies almost drained to nothing and i need some help

Again, just chill, do some martial arts or something. Or if you want a magical solution, try and develop a good grounding routine to earth yourself whenever you stir up more than you can deal with.
 
 
LVX23
18:22 / 09.02.04
Yeah definitely step away from things a bit, go for a walk.

Also, BANISH REGULARLY.

I'd also recommend finding a copy of Awakening Osiris: The Egyptian Book of the Dead as translated by Normandi Ellis. It might be hard to track down but well worth the effort - definitely pulled me out of many holes and given me some profound mantras and patrons.

Find a benevolent deity to patronize. Ganesh, Tara, Isis. Someone friendly to The Cause. Ask them to watch over your workings and guide you to your goal. Make offerings, put up pictures, draw them into your life. But be careful and DO IT RIGHT. Don't fuck around and be half-assed or you end up invoking a god and then pissing them off.

Be phasic: Absorb, then intellectualize. Open up to receive, then close the doors and process what you've downloaded.

SMILE.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:54 / 09.02.04
Thirding the advice given by GL above, especially the part about getting pissed. Nothing like a stiff drink to drop you back down to "normal" consciousness, if indeed there is such a thing. A walk would also do you good, preferably somewhere like a beach or a big park. Spend some time with your friends, maybe go to watch a funny film.

It's unlikely that the activities you're engaged with at this time will drop anything on you that you can't handle.
 
 
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19:03 / 09.02.04
Woops.

I remember invoking Shiva and i didn't do any banishing at all.............is that why i was going mad and waving a knife around in the early hours of this morning?

I've had some sleep and feel better now anyway.

Now to find out how to banish.........

Thankyou for your help and sorry for my wild entrance into barbelith. Must calm down..........shit maybe i still need to banish Shiva? I don't know how to banish. Fucking hell this is stinking of an ego trip now.

O.K. i'm as calm as can be. I just woke up, had an argument with my brother and smashed the tv remote against the wall, it's in bits around me. Erm, now to banish? Feel like i'm posting way too many details in a public forum...........ok i'm calm, very sorry people.

meme's cycling on serene monk...............
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:14 / 09.02.04
Hey, stop right now. You're panicking, there's really no point, nothing's fucking up. Go and sit down, think about Shiva and than say 'goodbye'. If that doesn't work ask Shiva 'to please fuck off because you're scaring me'. That will work. Banishing is only the ritualistic process of asking deities to leave you alone but it really doesn't need to be that specific. Believe you're banishing and it will work. As for banishing 'evil' things, just tell everything to fuck off.

Now having done that I want you to put any books you have in to a cupboard and lock them away for 72 hours and start to think about how you (instinctually) feel about the magical actions that you are performing. You need to make friends with what you're doing... don't get me wrong I think magic is terrifying but when I get like this I either drink a shot of vodka or eat Ben and Jerry's and try to diagnose why exactly I'm scared. I find it's usually about me and nothing to do with the actual magic... any type of occult act tends to brings all your festering anxieties to the surface.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:18 / 09.02.04
Oh and it is kind of nice to thank deities for their time and attention, like you would anyone else. After all we're working with Gods here and Gods are authority figures.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
20:20 / 09.02.04
Must calm down..........shit maybe i still need to banish Shiva? I don't know how to banish.

I think you're opening a whole different can of worms by posing the whole 'should I/shouldn't I banish following communication with entities' question. Different people have different views on it. Personally, I never banish following this sort of work as it can be construed as rude by the entity in question, so I shouldn't worry about not 'banishing' following your interaction with Shiva.

Generally, I find that banishing is best approached as a means of centering yourself, focussing your mind and 'clearing the decks', so to speak. If you're starting out in magic, it's probably worth getting into a daily banishing routine (put 'LBRP' into google) and sticking at it for several months - with practice you'll be better equipped to judge when a banishing is necessary/appropriate.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
20:23 / 09.02.04
Or just do what Anna said.
 
 
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20:25 / 09.02.04
Please don't panic! I'm good now, madness over, i went to the precepice and i'm back, please don't worry, and i'll take your advice.

Please don't waste your thoughts worrying about me i'm better now. Also i regularly tell the evil to fuck off, i just didn't know that dieties would need telling to go away, i thought that would be offensive, and i'm not telling Shiva to fuck off, no sir! I'm calming now, it's all in my head. Sorry to stir so many waves.

BTW i thought that all dieties like Shiva would instinctively know when to leave, i'm confused on this part and just thought that he'd left some of his energy behind that was a little too much for me.

Hmmm anyone wanna ask their spirits about my situation and then private message me? This would be a massive help, i've never had anyone ask the spirits for me and would love this, please, can anyone do this just this one time for me?

Remember the panic is over i'm better now.
 
 
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17:36 / 10.02.04
Hmmm anyone wanna ask their spirits about my situation and then private message me? This would be a massive help, i've never had anyone ask the spirits for me and would love this, please, can anyone do this just this one time for me?

Is there a tendancy to avoid doing this for me because some of you might get conflicting results/messages?

Is there any chance one or more of you can meditate for five minutes and try and ask your spirits/allies what my present situation is, or if there's any advice from the higher spheres/otherworld? I've asked loads of times and no-one will do it, as if theres some reason i can't be helped. I bet this request gets ignored too. (sorry i'm sure you'll answer this time.) There must be someway of doing this surely. I can't put into words how important this is to me and how grateful i would be if any of you could do this, surely there's a way of doing it that won't take up much of your time? If you need my real name and location then PM me and i'll give you it if it will help.

By the way, i've had numerous occasions where something has tried latching onto me and it's pissing me off, it's been going on for about four years now on and off, most of the time it comes from behind and feels like it's latching onto the back of my head, last night it was moving my tongue around in my mouth the fucker but if i move it stops. It's just annoying and worrying when i'm trying to get to sleep. What banishing ritual is easiest for me to do when this happens? Also i have this weird fluid/airy type thing in my left ear, as if a spirit is just putting it's whispy finger there and twirling it around just to piss me off, i can't get rid of that either.

BTW i got three more issues of series three of The Invisibles today, three more to go and i've got the whole series. YAY!


OH BUDDHA! UP YOURS!
 
 
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17:53 / 10.02.04
One more thing, sorry to come across as a self centered fucker, but to avoid plastering this sacred forum with more threads i'll come back to this one when i have any newbie problems.
 
 
eddie thirteen
18:25 / 10.02.04
Eon:

Um, I'm not trying to diminish what you're doing or anything, and you may well be having contact with some kind of entity(ies), but if you're feeling a fluidy sensation in your ear and pain/pressure in the back of your head, it seems very possible to me that you may actually have an ear/sinus infection. This is not to say physical symptoms of this kind can't bespeak something important happening with you in a higher-level kind of way, but it is February, y'know. Keep this in mind, particularly if you're feeling any kind of dizziness or hearing impairment.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:27 / 10.02.04
Eon, the reason that I, and possibly other people, haven't asked their spirits/guides to tell them what's going on with you is because you really need to work it out for yourself. To try and tell you that your experience means this, that or the other is to disempower you. People can give you tips based on their own experience/knowledge/pet theory, but working out what's going on with you is your duty and your priveledge.

By the way... Dude, did you think that you don't have guides?
 
 
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19:50 / 10.02.04
Eddie thirteen i can confirm it's not an ear infection, however i don't know if my mind is doing this to myself, some type of shadow projection or something. The reason i knew magic existed right from the off six years ago was because i successfully performed telekenesis on something, (would like to keep the details personal, however i'm not lying and believe me, whatever guides any of you have, they will confirm this.) don't know whether or not that was good or bad for me but it took me out of my old life and brought me irreversably (barring god actually wiping my mind) into the world of magic.

Ever since then my lack of willpower, failuire to cleanse my body of bad habits, thoughts, wrong belief structures etc has had a negative effect and i've caused myself most of the damage through paranioa etc. I'm slowly getting rid of the conditioning of 'planet earth' now though, and felt fooking great on the bus into town today as the sigil i cast for clarity kicked in.

Phew! Feels good to tell you guys about how i first realized magic was real, i've never told anyone that before. (Really, it's nothing spectacular, it didn't seem like that at the time though.)
 
 
Ria
19:55 / 10.02.04
speaking of "not panicking":

Osho has an exercise where for a set time you think as many bad thoughts as you can ("get religiously negative").

I have done the exercise and it works.
 
 
Ria
19:56 / 10.02.04
(tho' I wouldn't try this exercise while hallucinating...)
 
 
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19:58 / 10.02.04
By the way... Dude, did you think that you don't have guides?



Yes, i know, they regularly annoy me on a day to day basis, however i don't know who's lying and who's not, who's my guide and who the annoying fucking spirit/demon is, and i can hardly hear them most of the time, just some type of faint muttering, i can hear words sometimes though.

Ha i just said, "anything you want to say?" to them, and i heard a voice that said "yes" however the fucker said nothing after that.

How the hell do i know who's helping me and who's an evil spirit giving me false info?

Also i don't feel like doing a spell to amplify my hearing capabilities and then hearing about twenty of them for the next five months doing my head in or something. I guess that's the price i'm gonna pay though.

Ha, it feels like contact is about to be established for the first time. "are you reading me scotty" "Don't beam me up you bastards just fucking speak more clearly!"

Haha.
 
 
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20:01 / 10.02.04
Osho has an exercise where for a set time you think as many bad thoughts as you can ("get religiously negative").

I have done the exercise and it works.


Ha, i often do that when i'm in a really bad mood, start going through the list of gods and goddesses in my head lol. What's the purpose of the exercise when you do it though? Peace of mind upon finishing? When i do it my mind feels serene upon finishing.
 
 
Sir Real
16:59 / 11.02.04
hi jack,
sounds to me you might be a bit of a gusher(i recognize the symptoms from being one myself.) the magic starts movin' and it feels great and you go off like fireworks. great fun but its over soon and you're left with ringing ears and the smell of smoke.
maybe try, next time you feel a good phase coming on, try to assimilate the enrgy instread of expending it. you're accessing a lot of enrgy but might want to learn to controll you flow rate, if that makes any sense. when the impulse to work more magic comes, trust it to stick around. you dont have to hop up and conjure immediately, the magic isn't going to leave.
basicaly, be a steam engine instead of an explosion.
 
 
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17:48 / 11.02.04
That sounds like a good idea cheers. At least i'm in a good place for learning stuff anyway!

Once i get over the stage of 'wow this really works, shit this is unreal!' I should settle down and be more comfortable with it.
 
 
LVX23
00:25 / 12.02.04
Once i get over the stage of 'wow this really works, shit this is unreal!' I should settle down and be more comfortable with it.

Well then, let me be the first to say, "Welcome to the Invisible College".
 
 
amarodeeps
05:12 / 12.02.04
Dunno Jack, but I might try some solid meditation if I were you. Helps me out. Just a suggestion. I agree with someone else who suggested you need to work this out for yourself. Not to be cruel, but no getting around it really.

Best of luck though, things _will_ be fine!

When I'm in the sort of space you are describing, I feel like there is not much you can do but realize that there is nothing to do. Follow it out, don't exert too much effort to try and make it resolve itself forcefully, but try to figure out what's really going on and I think things will show you the way they need to be taken care of. Calm is key.

Of course, if someone is chasing you with a gun, you should probably run.
 
 
illmatic
08:02 / 12.02.04
I'm going to put in a moderation request for the above message to be removed. I've gone back and read the thread over and it was too rude. Came in to work with a hangover and went "ggrr.."..

I think you've had some excellent advice above and you'd do well to follow it. Meditation works for me. The thing is, it'll probably take you a while to get it under your belt - a few weeks or months. And that's the easy stuff - it might take you years before you develop an approach to other types of magick that fits you. For instance, having a clue what the hootin' heck Spare is on about, isn't going to happen after one (or indeed, many) readings. So calm down, go slowly, don't expect it all to happen at once. If you are genuinely having a hard time, the best advice I can offer is to take it a day at a time.
 
 
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10:34 / 12.02.04
Don't worry about it Illmatic i can't say i blame you at all. I'd probably feel the same in your situation. Just want to say that i find it amazing myself the patience you people have had with me and i find it hard to believe i've ranted in this manner myself.

I won't be leaving in a fortnight due to finding interest in something else (and don't think i'm angry at you here, i'm just trying to explain myself because i owe you people some type of explanation after my numerous rantings.) because this path is something that i started almost seven years ago, and even when i've told myself on many occasions that i'm sick of this over the years, and that i'm no good at it and am forgetting about magic, i've always returned to trying to learn more in the hope that i'll understand what i'm doing.

Have to say though, in any other forum i'd of been flamed on numerous occasions and i have a lot of respect for you people for your patience and help.

I've acted like a twat and i get that. No attention or sympathy seeking intended here, just stating the obvious because i've got over my idiot phase and am trying my best to be more respectful. I'm often just as confused as you are at some of the crap i've posted and after more than a few re-readings of some of my posts i'm still no further in explaining them.

One thing i always try and do is make up for things i've done wrong, and i nearly always succeed in doing that, so i'm gonna be around for a while yet hopefully and if the higher powers have a lot more mercy and understanding with myself than i have right now i'll be able to return the favours that i've been given by you people.

Seriously, to leave now after the help i've already had would be almost criminal in my eyes. Again, i owe you guys and sorry for the disrespect.
 
 
Sir Real
13:26 / 12.02.04
just want to show appreciation for all those willing to admit their errors and all those able to be insulted without striking back. puts you with the good guys in my book.
 
 
LVX23
15:35 / 12.02.04
Frosty, correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you've had a lot of powerful experiences over the years that have fostered a sense of magick, but you haven't contextualized it with the proper research. If this assumption is true, I think this may be why the process has been so ungrounded for you.

I suggest really diving into the arcana of magick, study the texts and find the path that you resonate with. I'm not saying you have to get all formal about it, join the O.T.O. or something, just start creating a foundation for the magickal life you wish to lead. GIve your Chaos Magick some more resources.

Read up on buddhism, taosim, kabbalah, shamanism, hermetica, etc. Study the works of others who have trod this path - RAW, Leary, Crowley, McKenna, Regardie, Gareth Knight, Neville Drury, Chris Hyatt, John Lilly, Peter Carrol, Phil Hine.

Basically give your experiences some more context. You're certainly not the first person to get thoroughly warped by Morrison's epic hypersigil. Keep in mind that The Invisibles is explicitly designed to be a magickal mindfuck and Grant used a lot of these texts to inform his narrative. Being a sensitive and just sucking down the series is bound to cause some major psychic waves.

If you do move into a feeding phase, devouring texts and such, just be careful not to get too caught up in only thinking about these things. You still have to work with them and invoke often. Find the balance between science and religion, as it were. If you ground the experiences in some good metaphors and myths, you'll be much more adept at invoking them and much more capable of integrating them with your daily life without getting too spun out.
 
 
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22:35 / 12.02.04
Thanks LVX23, some good advice. I've spent too much time reading and not enough time practising and grounding the various results i've had. I'm having another good study of the areas i feel drawn to, (egyptian magic, hermetic, ficino, mirandola, shamanism, discordianism, mayan history and myths, chaos magic, hinduism, sigils etc.) and then i'm going to get into the practice.

I've already studied to some extent Celtic magic, Buddhism, Taoism, Zen, Wicca, Kabbalah + more i can't remember right now and some of the stuff mentioned above so hopefully when i've done this next phase of learning i can start getting a better perspective and understanding.

I started a magical diary today aswell and have also began a crazy story in my angelfire account about a group of discordian type magical order wizards (!), plus i'm going to start a blog so my habit/love for chaotic ranting has found more places to manifest itself rather than just cluttering up this forum with nonsense.

thanks again,

Legionnaire Disciple Jack Frost.
 
 
LVX23
06:01 / 13.02.04
Excellent! It seemed like you were a bit ungrounded in your posts but it sounds like you've got a lot of studies under your belt. I really think that helps to give some context to these experiences which are inherently abstract and very Other.

I definitely recommend keeping a magickal diary and really sticking to it for a while. It starts to become addictive. I only seriously started doing it about a year ago and I've recently just started my 3rd journal. That's two tomes full of my mind and soul and spirit. And they're these cool black hardcover journals with mystical symbols I've drawn along the closed paper edges.

Blogs are great outlets as well. I've got one (which I've been shamelssly promoting) at LVX23. I've just really gotten in to this phase of wanting to document and archive the odd, occasionally surreal events of my reality, as well as all the cultural funkiness that informs my headspace. The more you document your life, the more you start to see patterns emerge. And like the hypersigil, you can find yourself in phases where you're writing the narrative to your life in this weird sort of feedback loop between "reality" and the simulacrum. Each starts to inform the other.
 
 
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08:23 / 13.02.04
Haha thanks again LVX23! I don't have a credit card so will have to get a free blog host, i've seen some on the net so i'll sort one out today. Actually i've already made a page in my freepages account, i'll put that there until i get it sorted out.

As for diaries i've started putting stuff down and it seems like it's gonna be a big help.

Next for the dream journal!
 
  
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