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Danger Mouse's The Grey Album

 
 
Keith, like a scientist
15:56 / 01.02.04
Everyone hear about this?

I loved DM + Jemini's Ghetto Pop Life album from last year, and his Pelican City stuff is really nice. Love his production.

Holy Hell,
The Grey Album is NUTS. The stuff he does to the Beatles, arranging it into this fantastic hip hop tracks is amazing. His version of "Dirt off your shoulder" is definitely the best song there will be this year. A totally perfect emulation and improvement on the Timbaland style. This thing MOVES. Listening to the original version of Jay Z's Black album yesterday....it just made me sad. The state of hip hop production today is so pathetic. Everyone touts the Kanye West, Timbaland, Neputunes production, but their offerings on this album are just really terrible. Danger Mouse completely eclipses them and he did the whole album in 2 weeks! A comparison of Danger Mouse's "Dirt..." vs. Timbaland's "Dirt..." just shows how talented DM is and how completely overrated Timbaland is.

Anyway...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
17:23 / 01.02.04
Uh...

Tenuous is the only word I can use for this project. It's a fucking novelty man, I can't see why anyone would want to listen to the thing the whole way through.

Man, I can see why he did this in two weeks, cos it just sounds lame. Like there was no thought at all in to which Beatles went with which Jay-Z song... they are all just kinda clumped together.

It just doesn't work, to my mind. The whole idea is kinda lame. Just... why?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
17:29 / 01.02.04
+ +

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The triple black extra dark mash up album! This album is so black you can't even see it in the dark!

What an excellent idea!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:40 / 01.02.04
His version of "Dirt off your shoulder" is definitely the best song there will be this year. A totally perfect emulation and improvement on the Timbaland style. This thing MOVES.

Oh my God! Are you trying to make Flyboy shoot you in the face with a bazooka? (I'm kidding.)

I find the Grey Album to be very underwhelming. Some of it is interesting, but nothing (and I mean NOTHING) on it comes close to the regular album versions. I guess it's perfect if you want to strip the album of all its poppiness and listen to Jay-Z rhyme over mediocre undie beats, but hey.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
01:07 / 02.02.04
holy crap, the original is soooo terrible in terms of production. i must just have a different taste in production, but i found it to be so uninspired, so ordinary.

oh well.
 
 
darknes23
18:53 / 16.02.04
I've only heard the original of "99 Problems" and I think DM's production is more palatable to my ear. I think that the concept is what's interesting...and there is quite a bit of controversy over the "validity" of the product. Regardless of "quality" (a variably interpreted characteristic) what does this type of project "mean?" Should the artist be silenced, the product hidden from the public because it essentially "belongs" to another group of people(EMI)? Is there artitistic validity in the effort, or is DM simply a rip-off artist?
And what about confronting hip-hop fans with the Beatles? Any comments on the history/culture lesson an effort like this provides? Can blingbling hip hop rest comfortably in the mind of a fan with the Fab Four? Or can hophop rely only on "black" beats for samples?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:01 / 17.02.04
And what about confronting hip-hop fans with the Beatles? Any comments on the history/culture lesson an effort like this provides?

On the basis of the responses to this remix album that I've seen online, it's not hip hop fans who are need of a "history/culture lesson". I've not heard it yet, but a lot of people seem to be under the impression that DJ Dangermouse (his name: wack) has done something awfully clever and possibly even "important", whereas the concept strikes me as fairly lazy and obvious. White + Black = Grey DO YOU SEE????

Sure, if the execution's good, I'll be receptive, but the idea that hip hop sampling tracks by white artists hasn't been done... Check out track 2 of Jay-Z's The Blueprint, it's called 'Takeover'. For starters.

Plus, it's not like there was any need to fix or try to improve The Black Album already (Keith, you're smoking something very wrong). Closest thing to a weak beat on there is probably 'Moment Of Clarity' (a little too gothic, Em), and even that's respectable (plus I can't see how Jay's verses on that one lend themself to being superimposed over another beat - that's an art in itself, and it can't be done for every vocal). 'Public Service Announcement', 'Encore', 'Dirt Off Your Shoulder', 'Justify My Thug', 'My First Song' - these alone are all pretty much perfect productions. Fall back son, the game's over, if you can't respect that your whole perspective is wack, etc...
 
 
Seth
20:48 / 17.02.04
Hip hop samples anything and everything. It can appropriate any style into itself, and has been doing it for years. This certainly won't reinvent that particular wheel.

If the point of the album is that Jay-Z is deserving of the same respect that's awarded the Beatles... now that I can get behind.
 
 
Seth
20:52 / 17.02.04
I'm downloading it as I type, BTW. While I love the Black album, I'm so-so about the Beatles. I can't imagine it surpassing the former...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
21:10 / 17.02.04
I think that the biggest problem with The Grey Album is that's it is painfully clear that DJ Dangermouse isn't on Jay-Z's skill level. His beats are a mess, and often do not even match up with Jay-Z's rhymes, much less compliment what Jay is doing. DJ Dangermouse's tracks are amateurish as hell, whereas Timbaland/Neptunes et al are all much more musically accomplished.
 
 
bio k9
23:55 / 17.02.04
I don't have much to add to my "it sucks" comment from the other thread. No, I haven't heard the complete Dangermouse discography. I know little, if anything, about him and his music. But I know about the Beatles and I'm fairly well versed in the world of Jay Z. This album is a disservice to the both of them. Jay Z is rhyming like he has no idea where (or what) the beat is...

Black+White=Grey. Wow. Would this album have been made if Jay Z had called his album Blueprint: Vol.3? I doubt it.

The best mashups bring out new/different sides of the music used. This album exists because someone thought it would be neat to shoehorn two albums together for a cheap cover laugh.

I downloaded it for free and I still felt ripped off. Blah.
 
 
bio k9
00:01 / 18.02.04
White + Black = Grey DO YOU SEE????

Black+White=Grey. Wow

I really need to start reading the threads before I post to them.
 
 
No star here laces
07:46 / 18.02.04
Seth, I kiss you. Let's build a small shack on a beach somewhere and live together in Beatles-free bliss.

Yeah, I can only hope that this album could provide a useful history lesson to Beatles fans, basically.
 
 
Seth
08:26 / 19.02.04
I've heard three or four tracks so far. It's OK, fun alternative versions. But the sheer ego driven pulse of the music is lost, there's no sense of transcendence or exaltation, gripping your balls and testifying. So, no: it doesn't come close to the brilliance of the original.
 
 
40%
10:27 / 19.02.04
Beatles bashing and Jay-Z-dick-sucking seem to be popular sports here, don't they?

I can't see a lot of fun in either myself.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:59 / 19.02.04
Oh no, 40%! Some people here like an artist you don't like! They must want to have sex with them - gay sex!

Don't see much Beatles-bashing, either, to be honest - Jefelaces is the only person who's expressed anything more negative than ambivalence.

For the record, I really like The White Album, it always used to be my favourite Beatles record (probably these days I'd go for Abbey Road or something very early).
 
 
Seth
20:45 / 19.02.04
There's no need to bash the Beatles. They're dying off themselves at a perfectly natural rate.
 
 
40%
21:18 / 19.02.04
Oh no, 40%! Some people here like an artist you don't like! They must want to have sex with them - gay sex!

How did you get from dick-sucking to gay sex?
 
 
No star here laces
00:06 / 20.02.04
Not nearly as popular a sport as declaring oneself an embattled iconoclast fighting nobly against an imaginary barbelith music orthodoxy...
 
 
40%
07:05 / 20.02.04
Touche, Jefe.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
21:29 / 20.02.04
There's about ten different bootleg remix versions of the Black Album circulating on slsk right now, every last one of them superior to DJ Danger Mouse's Grey Album.

Look out for Illmind's Black and Tan Album and MC Scottd's Hot Buttered Soul Remixes if you want to hear some quality remixing.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:23 / 20.02.04
See also: Kno's White Album, DJ Encore's Black Album 1.1
 
 
bio k9
22:52 / 20.02.04
Even Lt. Dan Presents: The Black Remixes, (which pairs Moment of Clarity with Cube's It Was a Good Day) is better.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
23:19 / 20.02.04
The Kev Brown Brown Album is also quite good, particularly the groovey version of "99 Problems."

I'm still going through them, but so far the Illmind version is the best of the bunch. I don't know what that guy has done, but he's a promising producer.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
15:38 / 21.02.04
I hate The Beatles (wankstains). I'm bored shitless by Jay-Z. I find the concept of the mash-up pointless and irritating (with the exception of 2 Many Djs). So seriously, is it possible for there to be a record I could be more conceptualy opposed to? I will not be downloading this album.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:03 / 21.02.04
It should have been Jay-Z's Black Album in the KLF's White Room, with Rockman and King Boy attacking it with mallets. I know that I'm known for not knowing much (anything) about hip-hop but I downloaded, listened and deleted. Didn't think much of Jay's rhymes and most of DM's work on The White Album uninspired. Sounds better as an idea and joke than it works in practice.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
19:28 / 21.02.04
Yeah, the White Room would have been great.

Apropos of nothing, Amazon still have copies of it and Chill Out in stock 12 years after it was deleted, I'm so greatful to e-retail right now.
 
  
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