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Bush in :30 Censored

 
 
Raw Norton
14:06 / 31.01.04
I'm kind of bored with all this already. I mean, my inbox keeps me abreast of the situation on a daily basis, not to mention my Salon.com & NPR habits. So it only recently occurred to me that I've not really seen anything on Barbelith about CBS's refusal to air the Bush in Thirty Seconds ad.
For the unafamiliar, MoveOn.org organized a contest in which participants submitted anti-Bush commercials. The winner (you can find it through the link below)was to be aired during the Super Bowl. Citing its "controversial nature," CBS refused to air the spot (CBS similarly rejected an ACLU ad). Apparently this policy is inconsistently applied: recent Super Bowl ads have promoted such arguably-controversial subjects as safe sex & White House drug policy. In a recapitulation of the old struggle over "Buy Nothing Day" subvertisments, CNN will be airing the ads.
Here is the relevant link: http://www.moveon.org/cbs/ad/
Anyway, this strikes me as a rather Lith-esque topic. The world's biggest spectacle has become the battleground between forces of conservativism & censorship v. participative democracy & free speech. The big game is tomorrow, but there's still a lot of meme-propagation to do.
 
 
Saint Keggers
15:15 / 31.01.04
Well ofcourse CBS isnt going to air anything anti Bush..just like they wouldnt air the Regan movie. It all has to do with not pissing off the powers in charge so they get favorable treatment with the FCC as was seen by the rules changes dealing with how big a percentage of the radio/tv/newpapers companies can own.
 
 
Hieronymus
15:44 / 31.01.04
And that CNN has aired the ad seems like a perfect counterbalance to me.

Good ad, by the way. Gentle but succinct.
 
 
sleazenation
16:35 / 31.01.04
the subject is touched upon in this BBC article on advertising during the superbowl

from the article...


The CBS network rejected ads from political activist group Moveon.org and from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (Peta).

The Moveon.org ad criticised President Bush for the ballooning national deficit, and the Peta ad promotes vegetarianism with the message that eating meat can cause impotence.

CBS rejected both ads on the basis of its policy against advocacy advertising, saying the policy was designed to prevent those who can afford advertising from having an undue influence on "controversial issues of public importance."

Washington Post media critic Howard Kurtz said in an online discussion that the networks' prohibition against advocacy advertising applies to everyone.

"When some group gets its ad rejected by ABC, CBS or NBC, it cries foul and political bias and censorship. But everyone in the issues realm is basically shut out," he said.

But Peta spokeswoman Lisa Lange said: "CBS not only takes advocacy ads, but has shown them during the Super Bowl, including Truth.com anti-smoking ads and anti-drunk driving ads sponsored by beer companies."


What's CBS affraid of ? Perhaps its worth writing and asking.
 
 
alas
17:11 / 31.01.04
as designed to prevent those who can afford advertising from having an undue influence on "controversial issues of public importance."

Obviously it's okay to let massive multinational corporations like Budweiser and Ford and GM (maker of the Hummer), who seem to have no trouble affording advertising, to have an undue influence on something as trivial and noncontroversial as the world economy . . .
 
 
Jack Fear
22:44 / 31.01.04
And that CNN has aired the ad seems like a perfect counterbalance to me.

Well... no. The audience for CNN at any given time is a minuscule fraction of the audience for the Super Bowl, which is invariably the single most-watched program the year.

Which is exactly the point: MoveOn wasn't trying to buy paid advertising time on CNN, but on CBS, during the Super Bowl -- precisely to give the ad enormous visibility.
 
 
Hieronymus
22:55 / 31.01.04
Well I for one will be boycotting CSI:Miami in protest.
 
 
Jrod
08:51 / 01.02.04
Boycott the Super Bowl!!

Not that it'll be a big deal for me, since I don't care about the game anyhow...

Still, this might warrant some kind of boycott against CBS. Their claim that they don't air any advocacy ads is a bald-faced lie.

Errg... piss on CBS, and piss on Viacom. What all does Viacom own, so I know not to inadvertantly give them money?
 
 
Jrod
08:57 / 01.02.04
Viacom's well-known brands include CBS, MTV, Nickelodeon, VH1, BET, Paramount Pictures, Viacom Outdoor, Infinity, UPN, Spike TV, TV Land, CMT: Country Music Television, Comedy Central, Showtime, Blockbuster, and Simon & Schuster.
 
 
sleazenation
10:08 / 01.02.04
Would a straight boycott work?

Here is vetran campaigner Mark Thomas' advice...

Boycotts need to have a very clear outcome and a moral premise to be effective, argues comedian and activist Mark Thomas, who has made two television programmes about Nestlé's trading practices. "An individual has to both feel that they will be making a difference by not buying or joining something, but also have a sense that they would actually think less of themselves if they did," he says.

"You can't ever underestimate the ability of consumers to annoy companies. No brand is invincible, and it does seriously effect their image to be seen to be in conflict."

He points out that it is only two days since McDonald's, bete noire of the anti-globalisation movement, issued a profits warning, its seventh in the past two years. "If you think of boycotts in isolation they are often not as effective as you might want them to be," says Thomas. "But if you can raise the issues, bring the company out to debate them, and provide the consumer with an alternative, then you stand a really good chance of making a difference."

The rise of ethical consumerism has been a significant factor in how the tactics of campaigners have changed, he adds. "We have come quite a long way from saying, 'Don'tbuy that,' to saying, 'Here's a fairly-traded alternative.' "


Personally i think inviting people to turn off CBS is unrealistic, while propagating a message on the net, on cafe press tshirts, in local newspapers, talk radio and on local television news of "what is CBS/Viacom affraid of?"

(a similar approach was employed by Ben and Jerry's when Haagen-Daz attempted to use their market dominant position to dissuade retailers from stocking product form any rival luxury ice cream manufacturers. Ben and Jerry, successfully launched a campaign aimed at Haagen-Daz's parent company, Pilsbury built around the simple slogan "what is the doughboy affraid of?" with formidible results)
 
 
40%
12:12 / 01.02.04
I'm not surprised that CBS didn't air the advert. I'm surprised that MoveOn ever imagined that they would. To do so would clearly have been aligning themselves against George Bush, it would not have been a neutral act, a mere facilitation of free speech. It would have been an endorsement of the views expressed in the advert, because there is no possible justification for airing it. Why should they air it? Free speech is free speech, but it's their network.

I would see a parallel with the Kilroy discussion. The Sun etc tried to distort that situation by accusing the BBC of restricting free speech, when in fact they were quite reasonably holding an employee accountable. In this situation, people are expecting CBS to embroil themselves in a debate which they have no desire to get involved in, and accusing them of restricting free speech by not promoting the views of this particular organisation. This of course depends on your view of what responsibilities corporations have in relation to encouraging free speech. I personally think it's their prerogative.

My judgement about this situation is largely based on my view of the advert itself though. It's a piece of manipulative tripe. I dislike it for the same reason that I disliked the Barnados advertising campaign featuring pictures of babies with bottles of paraffin/cockroaches stuck in their mouths. Granted, the latter is far worse, but it's still the same principle. It's using emotive images to try and sway a situation which should be governed by informed debate.

Don't get me wrong, I doubt I would support CBS generally, and I certainly don't support Bush, but that doesn't mean that any form of political criticism directed towards him is appropriate for any context. For one thing, I doubt people watching the superbowl want to have this sort of thing shoved in their faces. I wouldn't. Mind you, I wouldn't want to see most of the advertising that would shown.

I'm not sure the safe sex/drugs adverts are a fair comparison. They may be ideologically charged, but isn't there a case for saying that there is a positive agenda, a useful purpose to them? I don't know, you tell me, I haven't seen these adverts. But there is no useful purpose to this anti-Bush advert. Even if you accept the validity of criticising the president in this way, it's hardly likely to rouse people to action, is it? It's more likely to create an atmosphere of paranoia, akin to the "New Labour, New Failure" adverts by the Tories. It's the kind of thing I would expect an opposing political party to do, a kind of "if you vote for this guy, your life will be fucked, so you'd better go for the only alternative instead". Hardly constructive.

That's my view, anyway.
 
 
sleazenation
15:50 / 01.02.04
For those interested, CBS' policy against advocacy adverts is available here.

So it would seem that what CBS is affraid of is allowing those with means to produce and purchase network advertising from having undue influence.
 
 
BioDynamo
10:55 / 02.02.04

I'm surprised that MoveOn ever imagined that they would.

What makes you sure MoveOn thought the ad would be aired? Seems to me this is a good way of getting a lot (though not a SuperBowl-lot) of people to go see the ad themselves. Worked on me, and I don't even live NEAR the US. And what's more important, people will view the film on MoveOn.org, generating attention and, more importantly, a kind of connection between the MoveOn-campaign and interested people.

It wouldn't surprise me if this thing scores MoveOn some 10 000 dedicated activists around the US. For free!

I guess they would have been happy to have the ad aired, but it's a win-win situation for them. Nice work.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:52 / 02.02.04
When did it air on CNN? Is it regularly airing on CNN and other networks?

I went to the event in NYC recently where they announced the winners & had all the Democrat celebs there - it was pretty cool. The ads were all at least pretty good, some were great and some just amazingly excellent. The winning ad really deserved to win. I hope to see the winning ad on my TV in Brooklyn, NY sometime soon.
 
 
grant
20:39 / 02.02.04
To do so would clearly have been aligning themselves against George Bush, it would not have been a neutral act, a mere facilitation of free speech. It would have been an endorsement of the views expressed in the advert, because there is no possible justification for airing it.

Well, they were *paying* CBS for ad time during the Super Bowl, which is the most expensive/profitable couple hours for advertising all year long. They'd raised a few million bucks to do it.
 
 
alas
22:53 / 02.02.04
Why should they air it? Free speech is free speech, but it's their network.

Problem is the AIRWAVES they use are "public"--they get them for a song. BTW, I watched about 1/2 hour's worth of the game & ads extravaganza. One ad, intriguingly enough, directly criticized NOT just underaged smoking BUT specifically the way that big tobacco companies deceptively market their product. . . . I just did a search for it online, but the only reference I could find was this reference in a nice op-ed piece from the Houston Chronicle:

The network also spiked a commercial submitted by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. That ad featured scantily clad women and suggested that meat-eating might contribute to impotence.

Of course, CBS has no problems with commercials that objectify women or that are about impotence. You'll see many such commercials during the Super Bowl.

What makes both the PETA and MoveOn spots unacceptable, says CBS, is that they're advocacy advertising. But the network will be airing an ad that shows, according to AdAge.com, what would happen if "other types of manufacturers made products similar to tobacco, like ice cream bars embedded with glass shards."

That sounds a lot like an advocacy commercial to me. The difference, CBS argues, is that anti-smoking ads are noncontroversial because everyone agrees smoking is bad for you.

But doesn't everyone agree that massive budget deficits are bad, too? Don't reputable economists agree that they pose long-term threats to the economy? Isn't there bipartisan support for dealing with the exploding deficits? And didn't the current fiscal mess begin after President Bush took office and pushed through massive tax cuts?

If there's a controversial aspect to the MoveOn commercial, it may be that it downplays the magnitude of the looming debt crisis. According to the Congressional Budget Office's most recent estimates, the deficits from the Bush years could wind up totaling a lot more than $1 trillion.

Even Fox's Bill O'Reilly couldn't see any problem with the MoveOn ad. "I was surprised that CBS turned this down. It's not offensive, makes a legitimate point politically," said the conservative television commentator.

CBS seems to move the bar that it uses for determining what's controversial. Last year during the Super Bowl, the network aired White House ads linking drug use to support for international terrorism -- a claim that certainly generated a fair amount of controversy.


Here's the link, if you want to read the rest of the article:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/editorial/outlook/2379934
 
 
Perfect Tommy
02:11 / 03.02.04
My judgement about this situation is largely based on my view of the advert itself though. It's a piece of manipulative tripe. I dislike it for the same reason that I disliked the Barnados advertising campaign featuring pictures of babies with bottles of paraffin/cockroaches stuck in their mouths. Granted, the latter is far worse, but it's still the same principle. It's using emotive images to try and sway a situation which should be governed by informed debate.

Perhaps I only say this because I'm a debate geek, but IMO emotive images are part of informed debate. Logos (appeal to logic), ethos (appeal to authoritative sources), pathos (appeal to emotion), and some folks add mythos (appeal to cultural myths). Pathos stripped of all logos is obviously bad, but pure logos with no pathos has the audience asking themselves, 'Why should I give a damn?'
 
 
40%
08:51 / 03.02.04
Depends whether they're real or not, in my view. E.g. the image of the girl running in agony after being sprayed with napalm. I would consider it quite legitimate to slap that photo down on a politican's desk and say "where do you stand on this?" or equally to show such images publicly and say "this is the result of your government's actions in Vietnam". It's just that the emotive images of this advert are pretty fictitious.

I've been studying economics at uni, and it's a subject in which it's particularly true that "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing". Sure, the deficit is probably a bad thing, but some take the view that Europeans are going to suffer most from its effects. I'm still trying to get my head round how that works. Economics is something you either have to be motivated to learn about properly, or you might as well leave it alone entirely. So looking at the deficit, or interest rates, or inflation, or anything like that on its own is fairly pointless.

There are so many issues on which Bush could be criticised which require no background knowledge to make a judgement, particularly his cavalier attitude to free speech and democracy. I don't understand why they would choose to pick on something as complex and debatable as financial policy.

Perhaps it's just because they know that Mrs Lovejoy will cry "Think about the children!"
 
 
diz
13:02 / 03.02.04
Sure, the deficit is probably a bad thing, but some take the view that Europeans are going to suffer most from its effects. I'm still trying to get my head round how that works

well, high US government budget deficits generally put downward pressure on the dollar, which makes US exports into Europe cheaper and European imports more expensive in the States, so that's one way it can hurt Europe.
 
 
_pin
10:53 / 04.02.04
On 40%'s claim about free speech:
Given that the constant defence of a free market capitalist approach to the mdeia is that it opens the door to all people (assuming they can pay) becasue there is no criteria about how can say what they want (assuming they can pay), are there not laws regulating competition and generally doing ironic things like keeping markets free and open that mean thatCBS are legally obliged to show that ad is MoveOn.org are going to pay for it? What about the shareholders? Surely CBS refusing to show such ads negates the entire logic of how CBS makes its money, and should cease to function in a system that it so evidently does not believe in when it suits it.

Secondly, who's to say that Americans don't ahev the capacity to care about their bedget defecit affecting the Europeans most of all? Do the Americans live in their own private world somewhere far away? No. They rely on Europe for all kinds of things, support for wars and staying democratic, and ruining their economy isn't going to do anyone any good. You're also getting dangerously close to making the argument that unless you know everything about economics, have a credit card, a mortgage and yr child's college education bill you can't talk about it because "you don't know enough". Surely the fact that capitalism runs on a dangerously small ammount of knowledge and the theory that prefect markets exist (thank you, Paine... ) implies that the entire discipline is stupid? (see Stiglitz, Globalization and its Discontents. I don't have it to hand for a proper citation). And surely everyone knows how important the economy is to their life right now, and it's a major determinant in how people vote. If no one criticises Bush for his economic record, that surely leaves the way open for him to say how great he is at it, which would make for an even more uninformed debate then there is already.
 
 
40%
12:49 / 04.02.04
People seem to be making two main arguments here as to why CBS should have felt compelled to broadcast the advert. One being that the network should be considered in some way public propery, or as alas puts it "the airwaves they use are public". The other being that if you pay the going rate, you should get in.

As far as the airwaves part goes, I'm not quite sure what you mean by them being public. The airwaves used to transmit may be public, but the equipment used to do so certainly isn't. Could you elaborate how this works?

As far as the financial argument goes, I think that it's a dodgy argument to apply in any situation, and no less in this one. I imagine if the company was to allow some nazi advert to be aired on the basis that they paid the fee, this would not be seen as a justification. People would expect it not to be shown on moral grounds. Therefore the case for why this advert should be shown should also be made on moral grounds, not purely financial ones.

Pin - I personally wouldn't buy the "free markets provide a level playing field for all" argument, as they clearly don't. But I'm not sure how that relates to political and ethical decisions about what to broadcast. And how does competition policy mean that CBS has a legal obligation to contract with anyone who has the money?

If no one criticises Bush for his economic record, that surely leaves the way open for him to say how great he is at it, which would make for an even more uninformed debate then there is already.

Don't you think he's going to do that anyway? And besides, even if two highly polarised and over-simplified positions are offered, does that really make for an informed debate?
 
 
Jack Fear
13:03 / 04.02.04
Well, it certainly makes for a livelier debate than presenting only one pole of opinion, nest-ce pas?
 
  
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