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Some glam unseen X-men art by Ethan V.

 
  

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Ethan Van Sciver
23:34 / 30.01.04
I haven't posted here in ages, and I know this usually isn't done in a forum like this one, but...

Here are some Jean Grey and Phoenix drawings for fun:

Mystique

Jean Grey

Phoenix

Dark Phoenix

They're private commissions, so they're pin uppy, but in the interest of some more exposure, I present them here. Thanks.
 
 
Jack Fear
00:32 / 31.01.04
They're private commissions, so they're pin uppy...

Translation: There's a wealthy fanboy somewhere masturbating over these images right now.

Enjoy your commission money, Ethan. You've earned every penny.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
00:35 / 31.01.04
I've always liked your take on Jean, Ethan. Cheers for posting these.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
01:42 / 31.01.04
Those are really nice images, Ethan. The rate at which your art improves is fantastic - you're really coming into your own now. I love the way you render Jean's face - of all the NXM artists, I think your version of her seems the most right-on, even moreso than Frank Quitely. There's just something about the softness of her face that makes her seem so kind and gentle.

I'm glad that you're using less cross-hatching - the smooth, slick look suits you well. To me, those four images are like a very appealing mix of Brian Bolland and Steve Lightle. Good work, man!
 
 
smh2001
03:58 / 31.01.04
I like the mound you draw on Jean, but it doesn't compare to your Emma cover. That was hot.
 
 
bio k9
05:20 / 31.01.04
Translation: There's a cheap fanboy somewhere masturbating over these images right now.
 
 
Mike-O
06:15 / 31.01.04
Ethan, what would be the best way for one to go about purchasing a commision from u, outside of a convention?
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
08:13 / 31.01.04
Such beautiful work Ethan. Why on earth weren't you on the titel for longer?
 
 
Ben Danes
09:25 / 31.01.04
That's some really good stuff Ethan.

I didn't realise how much I really liked your work, until I saw in the first NXM hardcover an unpublished page you did for the second part of "Germ Free Generation". I'm one of those people who didn't mind Kordey's stuff that much, but when I compared your page to his, there was no comparision. The level of detail in the backgrounds, the more 'cinematic' look of the art. Great stuff.

Seeing that glimpse of what you could have done on those issues was cool, but almost cruel at the same time.
 
 
Ethan Van Sciver
09:58 / 31.01.04
Ethan, what would be the best way for one to go about purchasing a commision from u, outside of a convention?

You'd have to reach me at a crucial and rare moment, which is when I have no urgent life-or-death deadlines and could use a few extra bucks at the same time. Conventions are best, really. I'm there to draw.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
10:13 / 31.01.04
Those are all really nice, man. The mystique one is my least favourite, it doesn't seem as strong a composition to me, I dunno. She doesn't really interest me either though - I don't know much about her from the actual comics (I'm more familiar with her movie incarnation).

I really like the other three though. I can't remember if you inked yourself on yr New x-men issues? I'm guessing you are here though, and it looks really crisp and nice, there's a really great quality of line, but a good level of detail where it's needed.

What are you using for the white in those pictures? It looks as if you can get a great, quick, line with it. I've never experienced any white out that enables me to do that! I love all the chunky whites and blacks in the phoenix backgrounds.

Also: you seem to be very fond of drawing foliage. Do you have a really nice garden or something?

Good stuff though! What comics/projects are you working on right now?
 
 
Ethan Van Sciver
11:16 / 31.01.04
Suedehead, I inked a couple of the covers. The Beak one and the team shot one.

For convention sketches and commissions, I bring along a whiteout pen and a thumbtack. (I'm very primitive) The whiteout pen is the bolder white line you see, and the thumbtack is used to scratch away at the black ink, to make strange, thinner white lines.

My wife has a lovely garden. I draw foliage whenever I can, because I'm personally very attracted to how beautiful and strange flowers look when placed next to superheroes and monsters. It's something I like.

(BTW, the Mystique drawing was meant to be far more ambitious, with her going from a complete Wolverine to a complete, I dunno, Nightcrawler or somebody on the other side. It was too much work for the time alotted. Therefore, the bad composition. Whoops.)
 
 
"See me for what I am, OK?"
19:24 / 31.01.04
Very nice.

Ethan, do you mind if I make myself a t-shirt using the Jean image? I think it'd look great.
 
 
Ethan Van Sciver
00:22 / 01.02.04
Uh, okay. I don't mind.
 
 
Tamayyurt
17:08 / 01.02.04
Just curious but, how much do these go for?
 
 
FinderWolf
15:29 / 02.02.04
These are quite nice - thanks for sharing, Ethan. Loved your work on NXM and even your AQUAMAN covers!! Looking forward to seeing what you do next - congrats on the FLASH cover gig (just reported on Newsarama this morning). Are you also going to do a monthly or a miniseries/other new project soon?
 
 
Hieronymus
22:33 / 02.02.04
My wife has a lovely garden. I draw foliage whenever I can, because I'm personally very attracted to how beautiful and strange flowers look when placed next to superheroes and monsters. It's something I like.

Maybe that's why the cover to NXM #134 is my favorite, Ethan. Something about the beautiful contrast. Fire and flowers.

Who did the coloring on that one?
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
02:04 / 03.02.04
Pretty nifty, van Sciver.

I think you, Quitely and Jiminez were probably the best artists in Morrison's run. Knowing his tendency to seek out artists with whom he's worked before, do you think you might do something with Grant again in the foreseeable future?

VJB2
 
 
"See me for what I am, OK?"
10:01 / 04.02.04
Cheers. ('bout the t-shirt thang).
 
 
Ethan Van Sciver
13:37 / 04.02.04
impulsivelad: About a hundred dollars. At a convention. I try to accomodate as many requests as I can, so if you're coming to megacon, stop by early.

Hunterwolf: Thanks, and yes. A couple of very big projects for DC comics very soon.

Dharmakaya: I don't know...Was it Hi Fi Design? They switched colorists around a lot. I don't recall who got that one.

Vladimir: Not in the foreseeable future, but maybe someday if he wants.
 
 
The Falcon
00:29 / 05.02.04
Chris Chuckry, I reckon, Dharmakaya.
 
 
mephisto
02:57 / 05.02.04
Hey Ethan, great WAITING FOR TOMMY interview.
I have some questions regarding the interview.
Did the Marvel editorial staff PURPOSELY show you Grant's e-mail?
How upset was Grant with the constant art changes? (I know we were!)
So, would you ever work with Morrison again?

Thanks, and I can't wait for that Batman project!
 
 
Mike-O
03:26 / 05.02.04
Dude, which week is this "Waiting For Tommy" from??
 
 
LDones
04:04 / 05.02.04
Right here.

Not to sidetrack Ethan Van's splendid work. Flux is right, your work improves at a remarkable rate. Well done.
 
 
Ethan Van Sciver
16:28 / 05.02.04
Mephisto:

Thanks about the WFT interview. Talk about unloading. A part of that interview was unclear, I think. The part about the fill in artists. What I meant to get across was that before I was given the job as the fill in guy, it was given to three other artists without Grant's approval. When he came to NY with Quitely to get the deal moving, he was told that a certain penciller would be doing the two issues that Frank couldn't do per year (that's a funny thing, now, I know) and Grant was angry, because he was told he'd have complete control over the creative team of NXM. So that guy quit before even starting. And then Marvel found another one. And Grant was pissed. And that guy quit before even starting and then again, another penciller. And then HE quit. The point being that I was now the FOURTH fill in penciller, but I was given an exclusive contract, which sort of made ME official. This was all going on behind my back, so I was happily plugging along, drawing #117, and there was a cyclone going on out of my view. The X-editor who was in place at the time had to deal with Joe Quesada's insistance upon me being the artist, Grant Morrison's fury, and then myself, who didn't know what the hell was going on.
The editor's solution, instead of dealing with me directly, was to invite me out to lunch, talk about how I must be so thrilled to be drawing X-Men (I stared at him blankly, I recall) and then talk to me about Grant and how Cyclops was Grant's favorite character.

"Grant has big plans for him, and it all makes sense! You should come read his email about it!"

I said something like, "No, I don't really care. I'll wait and find out."

But they insisted. So we walked back to the office, sat me in a chair in front of a computer, and worked leaning over me to call up the particular email, which was something of a struggle. I was thinking, "What the hell? I couldn't care less about this...Why is this guy so desperately involved in showing me this email of Grant's?"

It was finally located, and there was indeed about 8 sentences about Scott Summers, his asshole-ishness that will develop into nonasshole-ishness over the course of Grant's run. And then....

....a huge essay screaming at Marvel and this editor over the mistreatment of his trust in putting yet another inconsequential and largely untalented artist on this book, which should be Marvel's flagship title, and thus reserved for Bryan Hitch or the top caliber of artist, etc. It went on, and on, and I just sat there like I'd be electrocuted, reading this, while the editor and his assistant paced behind me.

"Well, that's it. I'm no good then. Thanks for that." And I stumbled out of the office, with them sort of chasing me saying things like "we're sorry, we didn't know what to do" and so on.

I just remember also that we were taking our first family vacation that weekend, and we stopped in to the office at their request on the way to Virgina Beach. It sort of ruined my family weekend. And when I got home, having had time to think and decide what to do, I wrote Grant an email explaining who I was and what happened, and how I didn't mean to be in his way, etc. I wish I still had his email. It was vintage Morrison, warm, kind, and telling me, "Scotsmen are very forthright at times, but he'd stop being such a cunt and just create great comics" with me.
So that's what happened there.

As for the fill in artists that followed, my contract stated that I was to do two issues a year, for FQ's ten. It became very very obvious soon that he couldn't do close to ten, so I suddenly became the guy who would do four, and then eight. I couldn't handle that either, so we brought in speedy Kordey. And then people complained about him, so JP Leon came on, etc. Anyhow, I was hoping that I could do two NXM and then a four issue miniseries of my own, but that got wiped out by the schedule. And there you have it.

And yes, I would work with Grant Morrison again, but not for a long time. Grant is great.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:10 / 05.02.04
So wait - the mostly negative fan response to Igor Kordey was part of why he ended up being taken out of the rotation?

Well, that's a good thing I guess. But why is he still drawing X-Men comics if that was the case?

It also suddenly becomes quite clear why Frank drew exactly ten issues of NXM before leaving.

You've got my sympathy, Ethan. When I read that interview with you yesterday, I felt horrible. I hope that DC continues to treat you better.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:34 / 05.02.04
Wow, Ethan - quite a story. And thanks for linking the Waiting For Tommy interview (why is it called that, anyway? Who's Tommy? Tommy Boy, the Chris Farley movie?).

And re: one of Ethan's comments, I truly agree that Ethan's Jean Grey is the most beautiful we've seen at Marvel in a looong, long time. Yes, even better than Frank's, IMHO.
 
 
Ethan Van Sciver
17:43 / 05.02.04
I'm supposing that Igor was taken out of the lineup due to the fan reaction, but I wasn't there in the office when the decision was made, and therefore, I don't know for sure. But it certainly wasn't because he wasn't timely.
On another occasion, I sat with Joe Quesada, and he gave me a big 'you've got to hurry up or nobody will care about you, like Art Adams' speech in which he said, and I quote, "You're not producing enough work. I can't promote you. Igor Kordey, I can promote!" The general feeling about Igor, I believe, was that he was an artist to be respected, because he was very fast, a very good storyteller, and a very good artist. But the fan reaction to his 'unpretty' style made him difficult to keep on NXM. So what do you do with a fellow like that? You owe him some loyalty, because he's done nothing wrong. In fact, he's helped to put out more issues of the top selling Marvel title than your main other two guys. That's just money to them.
They gave him tons of other work, outside of NXM to occupy his time, and put JP Leon and Phil Jimenez on there instead. And he hasn't lost a wink, because he's still doing books that make lots of royalties. Look at Chuck Austen, who is suffering the same ordeal right now. People ask why Marvel is keeping him around. Well, he gets lots of books done, and they still sell well. Plus, clearly, they think he's a very good writer. Nice guy + Great work output = successful and long career at Marvel.

BTW, I wasn't out to make anyone feel horrible. WAITING FOR TOMMY is like a Barbara Walters interview... very personal. My usual interviews are a lot light than that.
 
 
Ben Danes
03:48 / 06.02.04
Great interview Ethan. Gives us all a bit of insight into what the hell was happening at Marvel at the time.

Its funny looking at the 2001 relaunch in retrospective. I remember they moved up the relaunch by a month, possibly even two months. The last story arc in the X-titles before Morrison and Casey came was supposed to be eight parts or something, and it got crammed into four. The art really suffered I remember, especially Lenil Yu's.

But if they hadn't have moved up the relaunch, imagine how different the "Morrison era" would have been. Quitely would have had an extra two months up his sleeve. Might not have made a difference, but it is two extra months. Either one of the 3 other fill in artists might have signed up, or Ethan could have had more time up his sleeve to fill in more for Quitely. And there wouldn't have been the debacle on Uncanny, with the main artist leaving after 2 or 3 issues, and fill-in artists for a while.

You'd think a company would properly plan all this stuff out. Give enough time, don't bring the schedule forward too much, etc. Marvel must have just been desperate for the cash the relaunch would bring and threw it out there ASAP. A pity.
 
 
biollante
13:14 / 06.02.04
Hey Ethan,

Sounds like the editors really did you wrong. First off to show someone something that they know would hurt their feelings- is just not nice. But to show someone, someone else' e-mail which had to have been presummed to be confidential- is just wrong and unethical. I'm sure it was a turbulent time for all involved but sounds like they made some wrong choices. Is this before the new editors came on New X-Men?

And how come you haven't gotten credit for doing the art that those New X-Men Jean busts are based on? The new one even has the shirt you designed for her in New 133. Have you tried contacting them?

I don't know why they didn't let you do a Phoenix/Jean Grey miniseries. There were a bunch of Jean fans at that time that was e-mailing and writing in requesting a mini with her. She's never had a solo mini before.

And then they do that X-Men Phoenix Manga mini which was not even about the real Jean Grey at all. It doesn't make since. With Jean Grey's growing popularity due to the X-Men movies, cartoons, and video games and her having her Phoenix powers in all the comics and media versions- you'd think they would have wanted to do the mini. She's such a great character with lots of fans.

Its a shame that they didn't have you draw her big flashy phoenix raptors in the comics. These art of yours that we've seen online have been amazingly beautiful and breathtaking at times. You really capture her looks and power. Oh well I hope she lives past Here Comes Tomorrow.

I'm glad that you are having a good time with DC. Hopefully you will get to do some Marvel projects again someday.
 
 
CameronStewart
13:32 / 06.02.04
I'm appalled at that story about the private email. No one should have to suffer an indignity like that, and Im hoping that was at least part of the reason why that editor was replaced.

I've not done any work for Marvel, but stories like that make me not even want to. Best of luck at DC, Ethan.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
14:30 / 06.02.04
VERY nice work, Mr. Van Sciver.
 
 
The Tower Always Falls
01:09 / 07.02.04
Wow. VERY nice stuff Ethan. Makes me wish that project with gail worked out.

And stories like that interview is what makes me happy to be a comics reader and not much more than that. Not that the joys of working in comics aren't worth the bullshit, but I know I couldn't handle stuff like that very well.
 
 
Ethan Van Sciver
02:03 / 07.02.04
Hey Cameron, thanks. Same to you, and I'm excited about SEAGUY! I think it'll be fantastic.

Best,
Ethan
 
 
rhedking
04:14 / 07.02.04
was the "PHOENIX" jean based off of nicole kidman?or is it just me...
 
  

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