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Why is there never any indepth DOOM PATROL discussion on the board these days? (spoilers)

 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
09:35 / 24.01.04
Well, I finaly worked out this bittorent shit and the last 17% of the latter half of the total DOOM PATROL run is slowly dripping into my computer. Naughty, but I'm fully intending to buy any trades which get released.

Anyway... fuck me. Two pages almost made me cry, which is pretty hard to do. (I find it hard to blub ever since a breif flirtation with prozac. Kind of worrying, actually).the page of Jane in the well, walking through the door expecting to find herself in hell and stepping into heaven, and the last page of Jane and Cliff on Danny the World (#63, The Kingdom of Chairs).

And I have a question.

What did happen to Cliff and Jane? Two possibilities- Cliff stays in the "real" world and Jane commits suicide throwing herself off the bridge (the last page being symbolic of her suicide), or Cliff stays on Danny and is reunited with Jane. DC continuity seems to take the view of point b), but quite frankly fuck DC continuity to hell.

What's everyone's view on this?
 
 
dlotemp
14:46 / 24.01.04
I think DC did allude to the status of some characters during the recent Doom Patrol revivial but I don't think anyone has clearly stated what happened to Jane and Rebis. And rightly so. How do you follow that Morrison story without totally ruining everything?

I always chose to read it exactly as it was written: Danny the World has taken Jane - a re-constituted Jane ala the end - and Rebis to Neverland. Simple, upbeat ending.
 
 
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15:47 / 24.01.04
this thread remids me that I managed to pick up the whole run of Crawling From The Wreckage from the Edinburgh Clerk St Oxfam bookshop. They've got a huge range of stuff, mostly a bit crap, but soem great things, too. I wonder if this is a nationwide initiative or just a local one-off.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:58 / 26.01.04
I think that Morrison's intention was that Cliff and Jane live happily ever after on Danny the World. Ongoing title issues require Rachel Pollack to bring Cliff back to the DC/Vertigo world for more fun. I've read the first five issues of her run, plus a few scattered towards the end of it. None of it really makes any sense so I'm disinclined to spend any more money on it to find whether she ever gives a reason for why Cliff came back or why he and Jane split up.

"I hope they never find a body."
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
07:00 / 26.01.04
Still that's the beauty of hypertime, huh?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
11:28 / 26.01.04
I found it in #83- it's a pretty terrible 'splain. Basically Clint felt like a freak (still) and was scared of how powerful Jane was, so he left Danny the World.

Undoes everything good Grant did with the characters (Jane is shown with powers) and as such I'm going to wave the magic wizzy wand of hypertime and ignore it completely.

I think that's the real problem post grant- Pollack just seemed to pretend all the old character arcs ever happened while retreading them utterly. She even brought back the chief- if you've read the run you'll know how stupid that was.
 
 
Stopheles
16:32 / 26.01.04
Well, it's been a LONG time since I've read DOOM PATROL, but it's one of my two or three favorite comics of all time...so here goes with my take on the ending:

I subscribe to the more negative, meta-fiction ending: the series was a delusion, Jane was 'cured' of her delusion, Jane is dead. The closure (Danny the Planet) presented in the second-to-last issue is the closure Jane gave herself while being forced to give up the delusion. It's a much less upbeat ending, but very powerful -- I cried when I read Morrisson's last issue.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:43 / 26.01.04
James- Is that the issue with False Memory Girl in it? A couple of issues later someone wrote in complaining about the enormous piles of fresh wank that explanation was and Pollack explained that it was a False Memory of him and Jane on Danny the World.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:49 / 26.01.04
To give my personal answer to the title question: Because I read the comics for the first time over a decade ago! It's not exactly a fresh topic for me and most everyone else who has read it.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
16:57 / 26.01.04
Lady: Ha, that's pretty funny because the issue makes clear it is a REAL MEMORY, in clear contrast to the fake ones. Or such is my understanding, the Pollack run is very hard going.

Flux: Fair dos. It's a shame none of this is available new, because everyone should read this book.
 
 
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19:28 / 26.01.04
Yep. I remember vividly sitting in a room in St Catherine's in Oxford one evening when I should have been writing some sort of defence of Marvell compared to Donne (for my interview), instead wondering just how I could prove to these old farts that the guy who wrote this f'ing incredible comic I had just discovered (DP) should be their main course of study. Foolish but righteous.
Guess who is glad they didn't go to Oxford, Cambridge, or Hull.

btw this reminds me, does anyone know what happened to Alison Sloss who used to run Rainbow's End on Cowley Road?
 
 
hypersimulation
20:42 / 26.01.04
Looks like Frenzy decided to leave the painting.
 
 
PatrickMM
18:10 / 25.03.04
Just to comment on Morrison's intentions for Cliff and Jane, I was under the impression that in 62, Danny created sort of a parallel universe for the DCU, a real neverland rebuilt. This is where people could go to escape their real world. It's almost a meta-comment on the fact that the DCU couldn't really contain the Doom Patrol anymore, so they were taken into this Neverland, where their bizarreness is truly appreciated. Rebis goes there at the end of 62, but I don't think Cliff does there, he stays in the DCU because he's still worried about Jane.

Jane has been trapped in "hell" by the candlemaker, and hell for her is our world, the real world, where she is actually crazy, and institutionalized, rather than appreciated and loved by her friends. She is in a situation where people don't understand her multiple personalities, and they're trying to make her normal, rather than embracing the strangeness.

Jane clings to her memories of the Doom Patrol in the empire of chairs world, but they are gradually being defeated/wiped out by the key people. Eventually, Jane gets out and she goes into the regular world, which is drab and monotonous. However, Cliff, most likely with help from Danny the Street, makes it into "hell" and brings Jane back, but this time they go to the third realm, the neverland, Danny the World, where they can finally be happy.

The whole thing is a comment on the power of the imagination to free you from your monotonous existence. It's quite similar to the end of The Invisibles, in that, he's basically speaking to you at the end, saying that there's a beautiful world out there, and all you have to do is imagine it.

That's what I got after finishing the run for the first time last night. I absolutely loved the ending, particularly the last issue, which was beautiful, by far the best of the run. The rest of it I liked, but not as much as Invis, and a lot of his other stuff. I feel like there's a less cohesive narrative between all the story arcs. For a good chunk of the run, it felt like they'd just come up against some bizarre foe, and defeat it. There wasn't a feeling of building towards anything, that makes The Invisibles, and even Animal Man so good.

I really liked the Pentagon storyline, the Rhea storyline and the second Brotherhood of Dada. The second Brotherhood of Dada felt like the roots of The Invisibles, so that was really cool to read.

The ending to me was the end of the character's stories. There was a little preview of the next issue, and I actually have the first four or so issues of the Pollack run, but I have no desire to read them, and was actively trying to avoid even seeing the preview. This was great closure, and there really is no point to going on.
 
 
houdini
13:45 / 26.03.04

So is there any word on the trades, 'specially now that Animal Man's all out there?
 
  
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