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Morrissey: You Are The Quarry

 
  

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Gypsy Lantern
20:08 / 18.05.04
The cover conjures images of a weird parallel world version of Get Carter in which a Quentin Crisp style 'stately homo' gangster, played by Morrissey, has to come out of retirement to investigate his brothers death in gangland Manchester. Pin stripe suits, sub-machine guns and biting wit. I'd go and see it.
 
 
Ganesh
20:22 / 18.05.04
Thought I'd leave it until a couple of listens in before I commented; I'm really crap at first impressions, but second impressions I can do.

I liked the comma on the front cover too; it made me smile when I plucked You Are The Quarry off the shelf. In the MOJO interview (and I'd like to make it absolutely clear that I never read fucking MOJO when it doesn't feature La Moz on the cover) he's asked whether he has "unsettled scores". He replies "I do, because I have been quarry for so many years" - suggesting there's at least one Selfawarian stamp in his passport.

The music itself? Well, the album's strongest at its beginning, IMHO. 'America Is Not The World' is suitably Yank-baiting/loving, while 'Irish Blood, English Heart' is perhaps the second biggest track (the wonderful 'First Of The Gang To Die' - which is apparently the opener for his live shows - is, for me, the most sublime song on the album). 'I Have Forgiven Jesus', with its miserablist Craig David refrain, is a classic Morrissey 'child who became twisted' effort, and has lodged in my mind almost as much as 'First Of The Gang'.

'Come Back To Camden' is a big soft lump of a song. Swoony, cliched, but nonetheless forgivable (to me, anyway) because I'm a secret fan of Moz's waltzier, more romantic confections (his version of 'Moon River' is one of the songs I want played at my funeral...). Bit of a remixed 'Every Day Is Like Sunday', though.

The others are taking longer to impinge upon my consciousness - but this is a fairly common feature of early Moz-album listening. I'm incredibly pleased that it's not unlistenable in the way 'Maladjusted' was unlistenable (I hated hating a Morrissey album). It's not 'Vauxhall and I', certainly, but I suspect that, after a few listens, it won't be far off.

I like it.
 
 
Ganesh
20:24 / 18.05.04
Pin stripe suits, sub-machine guns and biting wit.

Having (regrettably) plumped for Jeremy Clarkson chic for the last one, I'm seeeriously thinking of breaking out the louder of my pinstripes for the June 11th gig...
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
11:08 / 19.05.04
Ganesh?

What's wrong with 'Maladjusted'? Come on, it's far better than the unlistenable 'Southpaw Grammar'. Or the equally unlistenable 'Bona Drag'.

Just checkin'.
 
 
doctorbeck
11:34 / 19.05.04
was looking at a bottle green mod suit, skinhead, burners docs and my punjabi wife in her best sari as a tribute to mozzer, plus a bengali mate in her shalwar and her husband in fred perry / docs. no platofrms obviously.

that's for the 25th mind, a bit more modest an outfit for the 11th i think, tho depends on which night the cockney rejects are playing to some extent....

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Ganesh
16:29 / 19.05.04
What's wrong with 'Maladjusted'? Come on, it's far better than the unlistenable 'Southpaw Grammar'. Or the equally unlistenable 'Bona Drag'.

A purely subjective thing, and difficult to explain. I adored 'Bona Drag' and liked 'Southpaw Grammar' enough to let its insidious hooks get a proper grip on me. 'Maladjusted', though, just didn't grab me even slightly: I listened to it, and didn't want to listen to it again.

Having said which, the buoyancy of 'Quarry' and the upcoming Moz event might encourage me to persevere with it (again)...
 
 
Loomis
17:48 / 20.05.04
Or the equally unlistenable 'Bona Drag'

Are you out of your mind? Bona Drag is genius! Piccadilly Palare is one of my fave Moz songs. Interesting Drug, Hairdresser on Fire, Last of the International Playboys ... all wonderful.
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
18:33 / 20.05.04
And so 80s. Burn me in hell for sacrilige, if you must.
 
 
Loomis
18:48 / 20.05.04
Now you know how Joan of Arc felt ...

Sorry - couldn't resist.

I don't have that problem as I find it difficult to view Moz chronologically since I came to Moz/Smiths after the fact. Only a few years ago as it happens, so I bought the albums in no particular order. This is actually the first time I've been able to buy a Moz release as it came out which is rather pleasant, if a little weird. For so long now he's existed outside of time as I've gone about assimilating all his stuff, and now I have to deal with him as a real live and current entity.
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
19:24 / 20.05.04
I know what you mean. I've encountered the odd single here and there over the past decade; however, I never cared much for him as a musical personality. Then, sometime last winter, I chanced upon a used 'Vauxhall & I' for sale for less than one of your English pounds. A bargain, I thought, and bought it.

Fell for the fifth track immediately, then slowly, surely, much of the rest of the album.

Accidentally stumbled upon 'Maladjusted' - which, to be fair to Ganesh, has three or so clunkers in there - and from there on, checked out the rest of what he had produced. I quite fancy 'Your Arsenal' now, which I like as much as the two others.
 
 
Ganesh
21:12 / 20.05.04
I came in at the tail end of The Smiths, but the first album I bought was, I think, Viva Hate, and that was largely because I was utterly seduced by the magnificent sweep of 'Everyday Is Like Sunday'. I seem to remember buying it at the same time as Bona Drag hit the shops, so I was able to glut myself on Morrissey (and yes, I agree, Bona Drag is joyous). Kill Uncle was a slight disappointment (but I still have a sneaking admiration for it as an album, and reckon it packs a strong emotional punch, even if that emotion's part-strangled) but then Mozza seemed to hit his stride with the 'tattooed boy-band', his fascination with aggressive working-class males really came to the fore, and he had a sudden infusion of glam.

That's when I first started seeing him live. My boyfriend of the time (my very first boyfriend) got me Morrissey tickets as part of my Christmas present and, from the Your Arsenal tour onwards, I was able to experience the bizarrely homoerotic lovefest that is a Morrissey gig.

Good time to start getting into Morrissey. I guess I saw Southpaw Grammar as a compelling oddity, and Maladjusted seemed to signal the decline of La Moz. Some of the comments on this thread are making me wanna give Maladjusted another go, though...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
21:26 / 20.05.04
Can we all admit this album is rubbish now, though?

Really, "America is not the world" is practically unforgivable as it is... the lyrics are bad enough, but when it's coupled with the most pedestrian and uninspired music it really sticks out. It's like guitar music by numbers. There's just no sound to it, it's just... boring! And it only highlights the fact that Morrissey has become quite, quite dull, like a broken record only capable of saying the same things over and over.

The lyrics and music just do not mesh. They do not appear to be of the same thing, they just happen to be going on at the same time. It sounds weak, it's tepid, it's worthlessly simple music. I really think they should just go for an orchestral/big band backing for Morrissey, as it seems it would be far better suited to him, these days. A large, grand sound. As it is, he's stuck with a mediocre sounding band. And he is stuck with his lyrics. His few moments show that he is still the Morrissey we know (a talented and humourous fellow, I'd like to think), but other than that it's all so very tired.

And if you listen carefully, you can hear him gurn.

Plus they almost ruin the best song, "The first of the gang to die", with that annoying bit at the start. "Los Angeles, you are too hot"? *cringe*

But it still manages to be the only song I really find worthwhile on the album.

Ah, I really wanted to like it.

But no.
 
 
Ganesh
22:04 / 20.05.04
I think we can agree that you find it rubbish, Suedehead. Doesn't necessarily map onto the experiences of others - but hey, that's the beauty of the Music forum: we can all make sweeping, hyperbolic statements and indulge in mock 'fights to the death' over what is, ultimately, a difference of opinion.

So we can do that, if you like.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
22:09 / 20.05.04
Admit it! I will fight you!
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
22:20 / 20.05.04
I would be interested, however, to know what you think about what I personally don't like about the album.

I didn't mean to post such a long, dismissive post, it just turned out that way. I think it's from sheer annoyance from really wanting to like something I just can't like, and seeing the potential for the man to do good in my eyes.

I can't think of anything to defend the music itself, though. At times it really does sound like a bunch of 17 year old boys covering songs by indie bands that are so dull nobody cares about them.

I think what supports my point there, is the rampant thrashings that Morrissey's current band gave Suedehead, on his recent tours. The fact that, to my ears, they really couldn't play what is one of his finer and melodious solo moments has stuck with me. There seems to be a layered musical complexity to Suedehead that they are unable to achieve, which comes across in the weak - almost 2D - sounding bareness of the current songs. At any rate, it's something I find hard to stomach!
 
 
Ganesh
22:24 / 20.05.04
Oooh, fight me. Etc.

I don't agree. I don't think it's rubbish and I don't find 'America Is Not The World' "unforgivable". I agree with you that he sounds like a stuck record when he keeps harking back to the "Northern leeches" and his court experience, and I thi-i-ink I know what you're getting at when you claim the lyrics and music don't coincide (he is the master of stretching or compressing vowels) but I really don't see it as a bad thing.

'First Of The Gang To Die' is indeed the stand-out song on the album, but the only "worthwhile" track? Nah.

But then, I've only listened to it maybe eight or nine times - so I'm still very much wanting more. Putting it on again now...
 
 
Ganesh
22:28 / 20.05.04
On his current band? Hmm, well, I don't really recall 'Suedehead' sounding that bad on-tour. I'd agree that there's certainly no Johnny Marr among them - and I think they're much better at the glam stompers than the more complex pieces - but I've never really felt they were inadequate. If anything, I think Quarry feels a little overproduced sometimes, making me long for more rough edges...
 
 
Ganesh
22:33 / 20.05.04
I do think Morrissey needs to fall in love again. For all the talk about 'classic' Morrissey songs of self-loathing and unrequited yearning, I think I prefer him when he's got that romantic spring in his step. He needs to go shag (or at least hang around with, and think about shagging) another skinhead.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
23:20 / 20.05.04
I really do think a more classical backing would suit him, a terribly dramatic and pompous orchestra sound would be big enough. It could even suit these songs more, perhaps.

This is, of course, purely my own wishful thinking. But it seems it would be a lot more fitting, and/or daring. But I can't get over how much it would improve something like "The World is full of Crashing Bores", with a vast amount of strings, stabbing violins and grandeur.

I'm totally agreed with you on the lyrical front, though. The thing with much of this new one, for me, is that he covers the same old ground too often - and with a humour-lacking bitterness I personally hadn't heard from him in song, before. Let us hope he does fall in love, again!

Where the lyrics and music don't coincide, I feel it sounds more as if the band are in another room to where Morrissey is singing. Next door, perhaps. I think with the current band, that may just be where out tastes diverge. Certainly, even when I thought the lyrics were silly, "Cemetary Gates" was one of the finest pieces of guitar music I'd ever heard, and I'm more inclined to that style rather than what seems a more "straight ahead" type of rock. I do recall talk that they stopped playing "Suedehead" on the current tour because they'd finally given up on being able to play it. Although I may have just made that up.

Listening again: may have been a touch too harsh. "Come back to Camden" sounds quite nice, and is more the direction I imagine him going (with a fuller sound). I think I should get around to compiling a CD of the solo songs of his I really like, and I would find that a fuller and more enjoyable listen. The tracks that stick out as bad on the new record really, really put me off the rest. "America is not the world", for example, makes me a little embarassed.

Does anyone have any suggestions, bearing in mind my favourite Morrissey songs are the likes of "Suedehead", "The last of the famous international playboys" and "Everyday is like Sunday" -?
 
 
Ganesh
23:41 / 20.05.04
'Moon River'. The ultimate swoonsome-yet-oddly-disturbing Moz-as-Judy-Garland ballad...
 
 
Bear
12:37 / 21.05.04
He's on Jools Holland tonight - fun packed Friday night for sure.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
22:00 / 21.05.04
I do wish they wouldn't let Jools interview people, as it seems to be absolutely excrutiating for everybody involved.

The "Badger Watch" quip is possibly the finest thing Morrissey has ever said.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
18:16 / 22.05.04
I still really like it. I've played it loads since I picked it up, and I'm not bored of it yet. I like the lyrics personally, there's some great moments where he conveys that odd mix of humour, disdain and emotional honesty that's quintessentially Morrissey.

Granted, the last Morrissey album I heard was Kill Uncle. Gave up on him after that, folded him up and put him away in a box, after being really into The Smiths and his early solo stuff from about 15 to 18. So I'm kind of re-discovering, through this album, what I liked about his work when I was younger. It feels a bit like an old mate who you'd written off as a waste of your time, suddenly showing up ten years later, and you suddenly remembering why you were freinds in the first place. If you know what I mean. I might go and buy 'Vauxhall and I' next week, as it seems I've missed out on that one.

I like the fact that it's got all the elements I would want from a Morrissey record, but also sounds quite contemporary. I even like the references to America and the current world situation, as it situates his new material outside of the Morrissey timewarp I tend to think of him in. No matter how cack-handedly he tackles the subject. "Steel blue eyes with no love in them scan the world, and a humourless smile with no warmth within greets the world". It's a painfully adolescent and romantic response to the global situation, but damn it! A Morrissey record, almost by definition, is about painfully adolescent and romantic responses to the world.

Totally agree that he should get himself a massive orchestral backing though. I think he does some great singing on 'Quarry' and his voice would really benefit from the sweeping and crashing grandeur of an orchestra behind it. Kind of like Scott Walker, I suppose. Also, would be great if he recorded an album of all his best songs re-done with orchestral backing, and then toured it.
 
 
40%
23:03 / 22.05.04
I hear these are the titles for possible b-sides:

'Grumpy Old Man Goes Beyond Self-Parody'...'I Am Full Of My Own Self-Importance'


And you're quite happy to submit that as the first response to a thread. God, you can be mean sometimes.
 
 
Ganesh
08:24 / 23.05.04
Favourite lyric: "And he stole from the rich, And the poor, And the not very rich, And the very very poor".
 
 
mr rou-rou
13:08 / 23.05.04
long time lurker first time poster

here is a link to a flash streaming version of the full album

cheers

You are the Quarry *it won't be there for ever, and yes it is completely legal.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
08:09 / 24.05.04
Thanks for the link... I was undecided on the album after liking the single now it's on my "to buy" list.


Dammit.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:20 / 24.05.04
God, you can be mean sometimes.

That's nothing: on another music forum I frequent, someone just pointed out that 'Irish Blood, English Heart' sounds like Gene. Ouch.

I will say one thing in that song's favour: the combination of subject matter, timing, and chorus means that Morrisey has guaranteed himself repeated airplay during Euro 2004. It'll actually sound a lot better over footage of sensitive Gerrard taking down a Spaniard, or something.

"I've been dreaming of a time, when... GOOOAAAALLLL!"
 
 
Topper
12:57 / 27.05.04
Ganesh: yes! My favorite lyrics too. But you left off the clincher:

He stole our hearts a-way-ha-hey-ha-hey

Ha! That's great!

And those song titles, man oh man. "I Have Forgiven Jesus"?? "The World Is Full of Crashing Bores"?? Mozz is deliciously pretentious and that's what makes him great.

.
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
08:04 / 28.05.04
Oooooh. Me like this album. Me like friend with internet connection. Me like the fact that one does not - strictly - have to pay for music anymore.

This one's goooood.

(And Flyboy's oh-so-wrong)
 
 
Ganesh
11:37 / 28.05.04
I've been finding, as usual, that repeated listening tugs the more reticent tracks, blinking shyly, into the warm glow of Me Likee - and helps lyrical hooks to lodge in my hippocampus. The intro to 'Crashing Bores' ("You must be wondering, how the boy next door turned out...") now seems impossibly moving, and 'I Like You's twangy guitars oddly insistent.

I'm also finding 'Come Back To Camden' intriguing as well as simply nostalgic. The final chorus reveals that someone else is urging the narrator to return to Camden, and promising that they'll "be good". Morrissey had a house in Camden (during, I believe, the whole exuberant Your Arsenal, Vauxhall & I period) and reputedly shared it with his then photographer, cute skinhead Jake (the inspiration for 'Best Friend On The Payroll'?) Makes one wonder whether Mozza's flight from the UK was partly prompted by a relationship break-up. Hmmm...
 
 
Ganesh
10:46 / 29.05.04
Well, this thread prompted me to persevere with Maladjusted and, whaddayaknow, it really isn't that bad at all. It feels a little undefined after the angry howl that was Southpaw, but there are indeed some gems in there.

I've also impulse-bought the two-volume boxed set of all Moz's singles (I am fifty-quid-man), and am enjoying discovering B-sides I hadn't previously heard. And the single, 'Sunny', which I remember quite liking at the time, but not enough to go out and buy it (I think my disappointment with Maladjusted tainted subsequent singles). The main lyric is interesting, and possibly sheds some light on 'Come Back To Camden', which I'm now convinced is about Jake, Mozza's ex-boxer-turned-photographer (on the payroll): helplessness with a lover addicted to opiates, and the acute sense of loss at his departure. And the B-side, 'Swallow On My Neck' is interesting too, given Jake's swallow-tattooed fingers on the back of Vauxhall & I...

Ahhh, the seductive lure of attempting to divine La Moz's love life from his cryptic offerings! I ought to start a thread on it...
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
18:49 / 31.05.04
I keep mis-hearing that line in 'Come Back to Camden' as: "Were-taxi drivers never stop talking". I'm not sure what a were-taxi driver is exactly... someone who turns into a cabbie during a full moon? A part mini-cab/part werewolf type of creature? Whatever it is, it never shuts up.
 
 
Ganesh
22:49 / 31.05.04
Mmm. Makes one wonder whether he's talking about individuals who transform into garrulous cab-drivers when the moon is full, or the drivers of even stranger vehicular lycanthropes...

I'm starting to angst about what to wear to the June 11th show. People were quite smartly dressed at the Royal Albert Hall one a few years ago, and Moz himself is looking nattier these days. I may break out the more durable of my chalkstripe suits. Pity there's no champagne bar this time.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
23:12 / 31.05.04
I think the event positively demands pinstripes, and possibly a submachine gun if you can get one at short notice.

I wish I was going to that gig actually, by the time I realised how much I liked the new album (with resultant renewed interest in Morrissey/The Smiths in general) it was all too late..

There's a rumour that he might be appearing as the 'special guest' at next sunday's anti-racism/anti-nazi festival in Finsbury Park. I guess it would be quite a circumspect thing for him to do, given that was the scene of the Madness flag waving incident. I might go along as it's free to get in.
 
  

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