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Hypersigil advice

21:04 / 19.01.04

I'm preparing to start a hypersigil to bring about large scale changes in my life and I would be grateful for any advice you guys can provide.

Thanks.

E.M.

21:22 / 19.01.04

Don't sigil for what you want. Sigil for what you need.

XXII:X:II = XXX

01:37 / 20.01.04

I think there's probably a less binary way in which to phrase the difference: START with what you need. What you NEED. There are certain bare essentials that have to be in play if any sort of improvement is to come into your life. Write these down. Understand how one relates to another.

From these basic elements, you can then set certain goals as long as you understand how those basics will help you reach those goals. Start simple. See it clearly. Understand the path from here to there. Believe that you WILL achieve these ends, that the end result is not in question. Envision yourself at that point; really see it clearly.

These two levels alone would be enough to justify a hypersigil, since there are already multiple levels of achievement over time involved. You may wish to create your hypersigil in three dimensions, or even as an animated 3D image in order to encode four dimensions of sublingual symbology to reach your lizard brain. See it as a blooming flower, or an explosion. You will understand it on that level as multiple instructions to multitask.

I speak only as a novice with limited understanding. Mine is not the only nor best method. It's simply the one that makes the most sense to me. The point is that you have to tinker to find out what will work for you.

VJB2

03:45 / 20.01.04

Hmmm.... Choose a medium or vessel for the work. Music, text, photos, painting, video, 3d anim, 3d world space, etc, or some meta-container in which multiple media are set in and interwoven. Do some preparatpory divination, visualization, invocation - basically anything to draw out the underlying symbols and metaphors gestating within you. Or pull from an already existing set of metaphors you're used to working with. These will be the characters of your hypersigil, as it were. When envisioning your idealized self - the self you wish to be as a result of the working - don't just think of what would be cool or how you'd like to be Spiderman. You need to honestly expose negative aspects of your self- the shadow - identify and personify them, then go about the necessary means to engage and overcome them or integrate them in more productive ways. Conversely, look at the positive characteristics already present in your personality that you'd like to extend and further develop or integrate into your being. Work these in as the counterbalance to the Shadow, the protagonists or guiding angels, the sentinels of Light. The flow between these forces, and the ritual work necessary to invoke each will surely generate enough experience to inform your hypersigil.

Just expect and accept that the boundaires between your hypersigil and your "real" life wil gradually erode as the two bleed into each other.

11:37 / 20.01.04

Thanks for all the insightful comments. I do have a question though - how do I draw the boundary between what I want and what I need. I mean I know I need food and oxygen and water and shelter. Mercifully I already have those. But suppose I want to get a book published. WOuld it be ok to say 'I need a publisher'?

14:51 / 20.01.04

How do you know God wants you to publish the book? How do you know the universe wants it? How do you know it is your Dharma to publish it? Have you asked the book if it wants to be published? Have you asked the world if it wants the book?

15:10 / 20.01.04

David Roel, I hope you're not calling eeoam selfish, cause that's kind of what your post comes off sounding like. When one does a sigil or spell of any kind, it's usually with the understanding that 'this is my will, something I feel and desire strongly, but of course if the universe really doesn't intend this for me, I respectfully understand.' eeoam doesn't sound selfish, he sounds just like any one of us who has a desire and wants to make it reality. He has a dream and wants to make it come true. This is what half the magick forum is about - it's what half, if not more, of what magick is about. What's so wrong with that?

(I don't mean to attack you, David Roel, your post just kind of sounded a bit snarky, a la 'who do you think you are, that you want to publish a book? what makes you so special, kid?' and I wanted to communicate that observation and see if you indeed meant it that way, or if I'm misreading it.)

And eeoam, you have a desire, a wish to have a publisher. So have that desire. Put it out there in the form a spell, a sigil, a hypersigil, whatever works for you. And do the hard work and planning in your life to reach that goal. If you're meant to have the desire come true, it will. The whole guilt/'I must be selfish to want something more for my life' is what keeps people down and limited in their creation of themselves & of their lives.

And being grateful for all you have at present, and grateful for how things will work out for you in the future, will also go a long way towards fulfilling your desire and covering the whole "need" question, I think.

You can ask for the next steps to come into your life that will be part of the journey towards getting a book published: free time in which to write, research or ideas coming to you when you need them, and further down the line, contacts with folks who will help you in getting the manuscript read, etc. These fall under the 'simple needs/steps to get the desire fulfilled' category just as much as food, shelter and clothing, methinks.

15:48 / 20.01.04

Very helpful post, Hunter.

15:59 / 20.01.04

Yes, Hunter, the caveat of "if the universe really doesn't intend this for me, I respectfully understand" was precisely what I was getting at. That does need to be there. And if that's there, then the question of how to distinguish between wants and needs answers itself.

17:18 / 20.01.04

Cool, David - my apologies for taking a defensive stance. I hope you get the money you said was owed you over in the "Forgiving" thread!

The Tower Always Falls

17:35 / 20.01.04

Well this is interesting...

eeoam, you seem to be in just about EXACTLY the same place I was a year ago when hashing out how to manage a hypersigil for a very similar goal.

What I did was write a series of journal entries. All the same date, roughly a year apart for 13 years- detailing what I would be thinking about or writing about then. I mostly wrote with some very bland, mundane events with the backdrop of of certain events that I wanted to happen. Sort of in a trance state as I wrote them, not really examining what I wrote or if it was a good event or bad event so much as free-writing and letting myself drift within this future self. I then sealed these entries into a folder and put it away, never to look at again until the right year and date.

Now I mostly forgot what I had written, but I remembered enough that I was worried that the whole "lust for result" would color my working. The result when I finally opened the 2003 entry was interesting. Many of the mundane details were completely off. But the main thought I used as a backdrop to the entry ended up coming somewhat true. I wrote with the backdrop of having a new job as a "film writer" (I think there was some ad in the paper for that job as I wrote the hypersigil). Turns out I'm not writing film reviews, but I AM writing a screenplay in an oppurtunity that just happened to pop up. So the hypersigil interpreted my "film writer" backdrop slightly differently, but the base result was the same.

Not sure if that helps much, but those are my experiences with hypersigiling. So far it seems to be working in unpredictable, yet benefical ways for me.

13:52 / 23.01.04

I long ago stopped trying to figure out 'what the universe wants' and instead just try to focus on what I feel is right. (WHy would the universe want anything? Doesn't it already have everything?) Besides, that which one can deviate from is not the true Tao i.e. We can't not do what the universe intends for us because we are not separate from it.

The general rule of thumb is that there's nothing wrong with wanting something as long as it doesn't hurt others (though of course there are some obvious exceptions to this).

Anyways thanks everyone for your insights. It's made me think about this in a different way which is most definitely a good thing. I'm definitely going for it and I'll let you know how it all turns out.

19:05 / 23.01.04

Good thoughts, eeoam - very sensible approach. Good luck! Let us know how it goes.

22:21 / 25.01.04

*if the universe really doesn't intend this for me, I respectfully understand*

Dood, are you serious?

13:32 / 27.01.04

Well, yes, I was serious. This is an interesting point, actually - do people think there are no limits to what you can achieve with magick? Or is it possible that there are some things you ask Santa/the universe for and you might not actually get? What does everyone think about this, concerning sigils/hypersigils & magick in general?

13:51 / 27.01.04

Well, it might sound a bit cheesy, put like that but I don't see anything wrong with the basic idea behind it. I hate the idea as propogated in lots of writing on sigils that it's like some big shopping list and you just have got to get the ritual technically correct and everythign will happen just as you planned it and you can just sit back and tick things off. Bearing in mind that a lot of results magick involves getting laid or getting rich, I can't see how people expect to conjure for these things and have everything else in your life remain static.

You have the same sense of rightness or respect if you petition a God (I suppose "subconscious" or "Universe" has just taken the role of "God" here hasn't it?)

22:36 / 05.02.04

Exactly what I thought. The whole "asking the universe" thing is really just praying, which I would consider different from magick, or at least a specific subdivision. Magick being more like trying to force or manipulate the universe to getting what you want.

05:38 / 06.02.04

You may wish to create your hypersigil in three dimensions, or even as an animated 3D image in order to encode four dimensions of sublingual symbology to reach your lizard brain.

Vladimir please don't take this as an insult but what if evolutions bullshit and we don't have any lizard brain? Reptile mind or whatever sounds correct scientifically but i've always took this idea with a very big pinch of multi-coloured salt.

05:42 / 06.02.04

Wheres our bird brain, tiger brain, fish brain, insect brain, panther brain? What the fuck is it with scientific evolution theories and fucking lizard brains?

I think i'm growing scales............call the fucking doctor!!!

I blame David Icke, reptomaniac in the brainiac.

18:40 / 06.02.04

Please don't tell me you're one of those folks in Georgia who thinks the world "evolution" should be removed from the school cirriculum.

Anyway, we're just talking about reaching your subconscious, non-thinking parts here.

Now, lest we get into serious "prove to me that there's a lizard brain" stuff, I want to comment on this post:

>> Exactly what I thought. The whole "asking the universe" thing is really just praying, which I would consider different from magick, or at least a specific subdivision. Magick being more like trying to force or manipulate the universe to getting what you want.

I would argue that magick and praying are both different forms of the same thing. People are trying to bend the universe to their will by praying and by doing magick...there have been several studies where prayer from a distance, with people praying for people they didn't even know, was incredibly effective. I would say it's just a different means to an end.

If I pray for something and 8 months later I get it - and if I do a sigil for something and 8 months later I get it - how are those different? Just curious. Maybe this deserves a separate thread, since this was supposed to be about hypersigils.

So tell us about your hypersigil & how it's going, to get us back on track.

18:50 / 06.02.04

Nah i'm from England, (same country as Mr Icke

) it just irritates me when the lizard brain is the only thing focused on and we are supposed to have evolved through so many different forms. (if evolutions true anyway, and i just can't believe in it, i'm sure one or more Druid groups shared my view aswell, but no worries, each to their own and left in peace with me.)

Sorry about leaving the topic, i'm really interested in where this thread is leading because i have a work in progress at the moment and would love to turn it into a huge, raging behemoth of a hypersigil. (but only when i'm a lot better at magic and have the strength to face the consequences of my actions.)

19:02 / 06.02.04

Are you writing a short story? A novel? A novella? A poem? Can you tell us a little more about it? Just curious - but if you feel that you don't want to reveal details about it (maybe like not telling anyone the wish you make when you blow out the birthday candles), I understand.

Also check out the Gek thread if you have any wishes/requests you'd like to make.

Is the story you're writing loosely based on you, or completely autiobiographical? I find it helps in hypersigils to not use your real name but create a sort of analog name for yourself (the "fictionsuit" you'll see referred to very often in magick threads, thanks to Grant Morrison coining the term).

19:49 / 06.02.04

I've only just started it, and i really am a believer that if i say anything about it it will..........shit, i'm really superstitious about fucking it up if i say anything, but, in order not to be a total wanker i'll say that it involves elementals, a hunter and a fucked up futuristic city that is owned by something.

I have hope in it, and want to go all the way with the hypersigil thing, it could take a couple of years though : Grant M ended up almost dead, i am prepared to almost match that. And yes, the character could fit the fictionsuit idea but before i'd ever heard of the term fictionsuit i'd of said to you it's an archetype, don't know if that matches fictionsuit or not but i'm guessing it comes close?

I need to be wiser and stronger before i embark upon that project in earnest though. I plan on spending the next six or seven months preparing, hence my new and total allegience to magic and all things Chaos.

20:11 / 06.02.04

A "hunter"....hmmmm, I like that.

20:44 / 06.02.04

LOL yeah, it's a something hunter, but i'm trying to keep from spilling too much about it. If it fails miserably i'll host it and give you the link and you can see for yourself.

18:52 / 07.02.04

From G. Morrison's Pop Magic! published in it's entirety in Disinfo Book of Lies (which you should all go out and buy immediately):

The "hypersigil" or "supersigil" develops the sigil concept beyond the static image and incorporates elements such as characterization, drama, and plot. The hypersigil is a sigil extended through the fourth dimension. My own comic book series The Invisibles was a six-year liong sigil in the form of an occult adventure story which consumed and recreated my life during the period of its composition and execution. The hypersigil is an immensely powerful and sometimes dangerous method for actually altering reality in accordance with intent. Results can be remarkable and shocking.

EXPERIMENT:
After becoming familiar with the traditional sigil method, see if you can create your own hypersigil. The hypersigil can take the form of a poem, a story, a song, a dance or any other extended artistic activity you wish to try. This is a newly developed technology so the parameters remain to be explored. It is important to become utterly absorbed in the hypersigil as it unfolds; this requires a high degree of absorption and concentration (which can lead to obsession but so what? You can always banish at the end) like most works of art. The hypersigil is a dynamic miniature model of the magician's universe, a hologram, microcosm or "voodoo doll" which can be manipulated in real time to produce changes in the macrocosmic environment of "real" life.

11:10 / 08.02.04

Thanks LVX23 that's been helpful. Have you got a link to that full interview or is it only available in the book?

I have one of those Disinfo books myself, Richard Metzger is cool.

17:30 / 09.02.04

Eon, there are rough drafts of parts 1&2 on Morrison's web site, but the final & complete version is only in Book of Lies.