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1602 #6

 
 
KwendeCentral
03:47 / 19.01.04
Well shit, the really didn't suck...

Universal micro-mechanics by Gaiman...interesting...

He may have me interested in this, rather than just collecting it...

Thoughts?
 
 
LDones
05:33 / 19.01.04
The explanation is pretty obvious, but I smiled when I read it. Possibly because the Watcher's head is so big.

I'll still only read this soaked rag on the rack, though. If they have a battle of the big heads between Uatu, MODOK, et al, then I'll buy 10 copies of each issue. And eat them.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:37 / 19.01.04
I did enjoy it, glad to see I was right about Thor although there wasn't much likelihood after the last issue that it could be anything else. Seems as though I was wrong about Galactus for the storms though, t'would seem they are just caused by this 'temporal stress', unless that's just a double-bluff on Gaiman's part. And what the Watcher said was supposed to make us all shout 'It's Virginia Dare you idiot!', so can it really be that simple?
 
 
ciarconn
12:44 / 20.01.04
Any chance this might be related to X men 150 and the death of Phoenix?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:22 / 20.01.04
Had a look at this the other day, as some people say it's improving.

Even more pointless than ever. He's not even bothering to tweak them at all now, is he? It's just: the Fantastic Four fight Doom on a flying ship! With shit art by the Kubert! Look, Thor!

Superhero fans and their money are easily parted.
 
 
KwendeCentral
15:22 / 20.01.04
YES!

One for flyboy.

Haus you're up...
 
 
_Boboss
15:33 / 20.01.04
each time one of them moans i feel so much better about owning all the issues - i must be on to a good thing
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:15 / 20.01.04
Yes, we're right, and Flyboy and Haus smell of poo. And are probably gay too.

It's just: the Fantastic Four fight Doom on a flying ship! There's something inherently funny about that complaint. Plus the fact it's wrong too. It's The X-Men and Nick Fury fighting Doom FROM a flying ship. In the middle ages. God, it's happened so many times before in Marvel comics. It seemed like every other week the Marvel universe were getting transported back in time 400 years to fight each other on flying ships. So cliched...

Sorry, but I'm enjoying this now, although I'm wondering whether the glowing orb dohickey was completely ireelevent as no-one seems interested in it any more. It doesn't appear to be the Phoenix egg ciarconn.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:38 / 20.01.04
There's definitely a connection between living in Brighton and not being able to understand that somebody might not actually have something wrong with them if they don't agree with you... Perhaps it's the smallness of the city.

Ah well. Great fun, this one. I think the best part of an absolutely fantastic issue was probably Sirre Richarde of Reed's brilliant "well, have you considered doing it the easy way, Nicholas? By filling a HUGE BAG with HOT AIR. Because I am a VISIONARY. A KNIGHT OF THE MAGICAL LIGHT. WHICH IS A WAVE."

Dude, from Sir Nick's point of view he *is* doing it the easy way. He's got Ye Most Learned Professorre X and Grey doing all the heavy lifting. Why fuck around with an airscrotum?

Besides which, the Montgolfier brothers successfully used a hot air balloon in 1783. This makes him a crap visionary. Our Reed Richards could open portals to the Negative Zone. This one has GCSE Physics.

Second favourite bit indubitably Sir Nick Fury (Marry, nuncle, yon fellow is a very marine, recently arrived from the HMS Triumph, possibly in a manner involving the Spanish Armada, still soot-blackened from the fray. And yet he must be sore afflicted with toothache or the dropsy, for he doth raise the most piteous wails to heaven. DO YOU SEE?), bukake intelligencer to the court of good queen Bess, being shocked that Angel has not realised that Grey is, in fact, a lady. Message to the writer: your characters commenting on your own inept narrative devices endears. Always.

This is turning into a rollicking romp of a read. A RICHARD read. DO YOU SEE?
 
 
KwendeCentral
01:19 / 21.01.04
Well now I'm fully satisfied.

We could end this now...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:32 / 21.01.04
I'm confused. So Reed Richards invents hot air balloons 180 years early (in his mind) and you're complaining that he's not advanced enough? I just wish that Gaiman had worked this out in advance so that he could call 'John' Grey Bob...
 
 
_Boboss
15:18 / 23.01.04
brighton's not a city - what kind of a pedant are you?

this issue wasn't that good though, just kind of turned into a bit of a superscrap, minus any sense of danger. bits with the thing were alright, and sue having been a room decoration for years is nasty, dead on the money ff characterisation-wise. invisible excreta, or did vic enjoy watching the little brown sculptures developing from thin air?

the snowbird=time anomaly thing is a bit of a forced way to go 'meta' too:
'you mean i have to go away or the world will die?'
'well of course child. superhero comics weren't as good in the seventies were they?'

hardly takes seven-whatever issues to say does it?
 
 
Gary Lactus
18:34 / 23.01.04
(Spaliance, Spaliance....I am Spaliance....blah)

Shut up, Haus. I've got a cold and I just can't be fucked with yr mean-spirited generalisations today. And don't take Khao's bloody bait.

And...errr...I don't really have anything to say, actually.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:48 / 24.01.04
Fraely, I'm only generalising because your mates all have exactly the same response to dffering opinions - incomprehension mixed with a kind of pathologising revulsion. Once that stops happening, Brighton will be pure and green and seasidey again.

You have a point, however. I do in fact mean "A small brethren, who are perfectly lovely in every way except that for some reason they can't get their heads around the idea that anyone who feels differently about Tom DeFalco may not be a shitbastard". I would like to apologise to the rest of Brighton. And Hove. Actually.

Incidentally, Khao, I did not say Brighton was a city, I said that perhaps it was the smallness of the city. The city in question being Brighton and Hove, which was awarded city status as part of the Millennium celebrations. The kind of pedant I am is, as usual, a correct pedant.

However, I have decided that Gaiman's policy is correct, and thus I shall write a John Grey-themed self-help book set in the 14th century to help people work out their character types. I shall call it "What Colour is your Plantagenet".
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
23:44 / 24.01.04
I feel I should jump in.

I remember when haus was just little, 'tannhauser' or summat. My mate Ho Garden used to push him about.

was funny.

called him tin hoser.

haw haw.

man, I am searching for a new comic just now.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:27 / 26.01.04
This thread ain't about Brighton or even about Haus, it's about making fun of - or praising - 1602! (although I personally think it's far more worthy of being ridiculed than praise - and more fun to rip apart, too!) Just wanted to drag us back on track lest it become about whether you think Haus is cool or excessively argumentative. So let's get down to it:

>> invisible excreta, or did vic enjoy watching the little brown sculptures developing from thin air?

Are you saying the Invissible Womanne of 1602 shits invisible poops?!?! (or "poopes", to sound faux-Chaucerian?)

THIS I gotta see.
 
 
KwendeCentral
23:17 / 26.01.04
The Wolfe makes a good point. Discussing the the "city" of Brighton alone would require a post all its own. This little 1602 post wasn't built to bear so heavy a load...

I understand that the story itself is not revolutionary, but I'm fairly interested it how this is going to tie in and somehow explains some facet of the marvel universe. What light is this supposed to shine, and what is it supposed to be exposing. Not only that, but it's just the technique. His characterization of Ben Grimm is one of the best I've ever read. He captures him perfectly. As well, the art seems to serve the story really well in this book. I'm not saying that I necessarily love it, but I find it kinda appropriate for some reason. Obviously it's intended, but the texture really has ringtones of the era they're trying to portray. The Phoenix foreshadowing was tasteful, though obvious and Daredevil (Matthew...whatever) is done well. It's just a different take on the "I'm brooding and poutty. My dad was a boxer and he died just like all my girlfriends..." thing I'm used to. It's what he might be like if he could be a happy person. Just a nice change of pace.

Is it established that Prof. X is using his telepathy to make everyone think that she's a he? Seems pretty obvious to me. Could be wrong tho.

There's lotsa stuff I don't get as well. What was the golden egg shaped thing that is now exploded? What's this invisible woman angle?? I found her appearance left field enough to be considered honky. Like, where the shit did she come from??? Or rather, when was she ever discused?? Did I skip the page where it was exposed that she hangs around in Doom's bedchamber? I feel like I'm missing something there, and would be glad for someone to explain it to me. I also wonder how Gaiman's gonna avoid the übercheesey sacrifice of Virginia. Let’s hope he's the great writer that we all know he can be about this.

Hey, does anyone other than me find it pretty hillarious that he's had to do nothing whatsoever to alter Dooms costume? Hehehehehe...

Sorry.
 
 
Gary Lactus
14:00 / 28.01.04
(I'm Spaliance, not Fraely)

Must point out, though, that it's only really Khao and myself who go for the "you've got something wrong, physically WRONG, with you!" stuff. Fraely, Boboss, Celebrity - I can't remember any of them adopting that line of argument. I'm not even sure the Twart does (in fact I'm not convinced that the words "line of argument" can be accurately applied to anything Twart says or does.....).

So it's just me and Khao - we're the guilty boys.

JUST YOU LEAVE MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY ALONE!!

Anyway, I'm feeling less delicate and eggy now.

If you guys like 1602 in anything other than a "Ha! Ha! Ha! Hilaaaaaarious comedy!" way, then you've sure-as-shit got something WRONG, WRONG, WRONG with you.
 
 
Gary Lactus
14:03 / 28.01.04
Actually, even in that/b> way.....

...grumble....grumble....Surplus cash......grumble....
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:12 / 28.01.04
Everyone thinks Jean is a boy only because, as science has by now empirically established, women are weaker and stupider than men.

Actually, I'm not sure exactly why Gaiman has decided on this, I presume it's an hilarious reversal of the typical Shakespearean men playing women thing.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:17 / 28.01.04
Yeah, but Shakespearean drag is impenetrable, and makes *women* fancy the woman dressed as a man, rather than men. Not convinced....

I agree about the characterisation of Ben Grimm, though. Lee, Kirby, the sainted Morrison himself... none ever though to find the true essence of Grimm.

Mummerset is the essence of Grimm.

I look forward to the spin-off Well, blow me if it bain't the Thing, my lover. Nearly as much as Men are from Mars, Women are Men as Well, Honest, by Dr. John Grey.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:49 / 27.02.04
from Gaiman's blog:

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"Currently (as of late 2001) (McFarlane) has another trademark application in on Miracleman, on the grounds that it was an abandoned trademark, which we've opposed.

"There may well need to be a final court case to tie up some of the last loose ends on Miracleman, which may wind up going to some very fun places indeed. At least with '1602,' there's the money there to fight it. And there are a lot of places that want to republish the work that's been done on Miracleman, and the new work that Mark and I hope to do."

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Hey, then at least 1602, for all its crappiness, has done some good.
 
  
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