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Girl with X-Ray eyes

 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
19:28 / 16.01.04
Maybe move to Comics?

From AOL :

SCIENTISTS are baffled by a teenage girl who claims to have X-ray vision that can see into human bodies.

Natasha Demkina, 16, can spot illnesses and even prove doctors wrong in their diagnoses.

She first demonstrated her amazing ability aged 10, when she told he stunned mother Tatiana she could see "two beans", "a tomato" and a "vacuum cleaner" inside her.

The child was referring to Tatiana's kidneys, heart and intestines but did not know their names.

Doctors at first refused to believe to accept her astonishingly accurate descriptions were real. But after exhausting tests they have failed to disprove her claims.

She drew a picture of a medic's stomach and highlighted the spot precisely where he had an ulcer. And when shown a patient with multiple ailments, Natasha identified them all.

A team of doctors carried out tests on Natasha in her home town of Saransk, 400 miles from Moscow in western Siberia.

One of them said: "She is like a human X-ray machine. We were deeply sceptical at first, fearing the girl was seeking to make idiots of us. But we cannot explain by normal means what she is seeing."

Natasha is now famous in Russia and gets up to 20 phone calls a day from people who queue outside her family's flat.

The 16-year-old plans to study medicine after leaving school.


Groovy
 
 
Perfect Tommy
06:46 / 17.01.04
Sure, it's all fun and diagnoses now, but I pity the kid when she starts to see the things man was not meant to see.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
15:48 / 17.01.04
I've heard of another person like this in Russia before- if this is true (which it might not be), perhaps his could be an inhereted trait, or something we're all capable of doing with the right conditions/spur. Reminds me of the old Seanbaby Superfriends skit: "I spend all day seeing just how small your dick is".


Hope the poor kid has a life and isn't just used as a human x-ray machine.
 
 
UnTaMeD
09:11 / 19.01.04
how would that work?
we see things as the light approaches our eyes and is processed by the brain(im not sure of the details)
how would a girl with x-ray eyes see things?
a more accurate term would be the girl with x-ray detecting eyes.
but even so, it is quite an achievement.
a more official test should be carried out by top scientists, publicly if possible.
if she could see into people, wouldnt she be able to look into other things such as suitcases, etc?
a successful career as an airport security official awaits
 
 
Kirk Ultra
21:14 / 19.01.04
She sounds like she could join the X-Men.
 
 
Mister Snee
01:25 / 20.01.04
She first demonstrated her amazing ability aged 10, when she told he stunned mother Tatiana she could see "two beans", "a tomato" and a "vacuum cleaner" inside her.

On first reading I honestly expected that to end with, "all of which she had swallowed".
 
 
UnTaMeD
07:25 / 20.01.04
nice one mr snee
i would like to see if she could see how far my ingrowing toenail is actually ingrown and then i could take appropriate action if necessary
i just think its another myth for the archives of the fortean times....
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
16:07 / 20.01.04
Russia has a long history of research into and claims of psychic or pseudo-psychic phenomena. It wouldn't be amazing if this turns out to be hogwash - but it would be fascinating if it weren't. So let's keep an eye on it. There's really not much more to do at this point, is there?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:40 / 20.01.04
Money $hot, do you have a link to the story?
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
23:02 / 20.01.04
'fraid not, it was uncredited, but on the front page of AOL uk's log in screen on the date of the post.

Hardly the Royal Academy, I know.
 
 
Kirk Ultra
06:16 / 21.01.04
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/11797_phenomenon.html
 
 
Cheap. Easy. Cruel.
19:12 / 23.01.04
This has got to be a bullshit claim. If not, I would be really interested in finding out how it works. It can't be based on X-rays as it would require the seen to be standing between the seer and a source of radiation. I can't think any sort of radiation that would go through abdominal tissue, yet would be absorbed by the retina.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
00:03 / 24.01.04
Maybe it has something to do with naturally occuring energies. If she could only see into humans, maybe she's seeing orgone or something of the like. If she can see through any obstruction, maybe it's a form of short-range remote viewing.

But I do agree about the x-rays problem. If she could see via the production of x-rays...she wouldn't just be a walking security system. She'd be a walking nuclear weapon.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:07 / 25.01.04
I can't think any sort of radiation that would go through abdominal tissue, yet would be absorbed by the retina.

Exactly.

This has got to be one of the biggest piles of tosh I've ever clapped eyes on. It's like something out of The Weekly World News. Is grant moonlighting for Pravda these days? I think we should be told...
 
 
The Knights Templar Boogie Machine
20:41 / 25.01.04
oh dear, after reading your post mordant, i'm too scared to put mine up now!......
 
 
The Knights Templar Boogie Machine
09:48 / 26.01.04
Ok, this is probably the dodgiest post I have ever done(!), and this more belongs in the magick thread, and I would be interested in the response it elicits there, but here goes:
.. . I have on occasion had the same experience with apparent x-ray vision myself..The first time was on a psilocybin trip where I could see through my jacket and stare at my t-shirt underneath. One half of me was covered in jacket, the other half was t- shirt (I’ll elaborate on this if anyone asks). This made me laugh out loud, nut even though I closed my eyes and opened them, the persisted for about two more minutes before my jacket returned to ‘normal’… Subconscious memory juxtaposed on reality hallucinatory/holographically, or was I filtering out certain wavelengths of light enabling me to see through the fabric? Was I in the presence of an electromagnetic field phenomenon that fused with my bio electric field creating such an anomaly? (I won’t go into all the ramifications or speculation this may bring here as it would take too long), After it happened I experimented around the, putting objects under things and seeing if I could see them, but alas, to no avail.
Robert Anton Wilson in the preface of the modern edition of Prometheus risings states a case where lsd trippers could apparently see radiowaves around a transmitter. These peculiar phenomena are maybe past evolutionary traits (possibly to do with survival, but maybe not) that are now latent or dormant. The way birds ’see’ wind currents and geo-magnetism being examples of this…..John C Lilly says on his first acid trip that he had the experience of being able to see straight through the earth and to the constellations of stars beyond…
I have had, and still do have experiences where I appear to be seeing straight through my eyelids (in bed, at raves/parties)…I am familiar with hypnogogic/hypnopompic activity and I frequently lucid dream, but this phenomena is definitely not related. I practice magick, nlp etc, but this was not a desired result, so its not a case of wanting to believe, rather me trying to make sense of an experience. A friend of mine who is prone to out of body experiences has reported these phenomena too. Apparently it is also a classical experience of the kundalini energy being aroused, and is related to the ajna (third eye) chakra. I’m versed in science and the occult, so I’m not trying to approach this subject with a woolly head, like ’far out man, I see through things…’There does seem to be a body of evidence surrounding these experiences that gives them some degree of credibility. Obviously I am open to criticism as the first experience I describe was under the influence of psilocybin, albeit a mild dose ..But of course this opens the old argument of whether or not certain psychoactive chemicals open up these doorways and forgotten neural pathways and gives us access to race memory and hence possible lost survival skills….
On the notion of ‘seeing the things you were not meant to see’ (and yes, I have seen that movieJ), is not psychic phenomena similar in some ways that we seem to be able to transmit and receive information via some unknown medium within our local and non-local environments in such a way that reveals hitherto hidden information? An ultra intense psychometry, imagine instead of gleaning an object or person, you took in a large chunk of the environment, go further still, a vast chunk of the universe? Consider King Mobs freakout in Australia in the invisibles, I haven’t got the invisibles to hand at the moment but I know he speaks deliriously in part glossolalia, part stream of channelled thought, what he does say amongst the psychobabble is mention ‘x-rays ‘ in a way as if he’s seeing too deep into the universe… This sense of occult information overload seems to be a case of ‘seeing too much’ as someone else remarks, (I think its fayed) something like ‘if we were to see truth in its totality it would blind us’…
For the record, I had totally forgot/dismissed my own experiences with this until I read this thread. If indeed we do have a case where someone has this ‘gift’ 24-7 then that is fascinating, also kindly letting me know I may not be raving fucking mad
I just know it’s going to be proved to be a load of bollocks...
 
 
The Knights Templar Boogie Machine
10:16 / 26.01.04
Holy shit, synchronicity strikes!.......No sooner had just clicked the post reply button when someone called me downstairs to see tv because it was about 'the russian girl with the x-ray eyes' i've been harping on about...The program, uk's 'this morning', has just had natasha diagnose several people, even denoting hernia scars on a completely sceptical doctor...Phillip schofield, one of the shows presenters looked on in apparent astonishment....Natasha plans to get an education in medical science when shes older and hopes to put her skill to use in the future...Ok, i'll gamble here, i reckon that she IS genuine....
(synchronicity rating = 10)
 
 
cusm
21:52 / 28.01.04
She's in The Sun, too.

And KTBM, you're hardly alone in that. Her description sounds very familiar to how I interpret some of the healing work I do. Its not x-rays or anything silly like that, its more like sensing the state of the person via other senses, and having that processed through visual data for interpretation. I've never been near as good as she claims, but I can do shit like spot where someone's got a knot in their back without actually touching them. Can't tell you how many times I let my hands home right in on where it hurts by following on those impulses. That's stuff anyone can learn with practice, though I'm a lot better at it when high. But even so, what I can do and what I know some other folks can do is nothing compared to what she's claiming, but it is enough to support that what she's doing may be possible. I'd still like to see some more reliable reports though before I gave it credibility.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:32 / 29.01.04
According to today (30th)'s Daily Express (unlinkable I'm afraid) the doctor from "This Morning" has now been diagnosed with cancer.

Dr Steelse had a scan at a Harley Street clinic after Russian teenager atasha Demkina claimed she could "see" problems with his pancreas, liver and kidneys.

Still not conviced, but you gotta admit, it's a great story.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
01:18 / 30.01.04
I'm curious if perhaps it would make more sense if she were not actually "seeing" these things so much as getting the imput from some other "sense" or whatnot and then her brain and eyes and shit reinterpret that. I mean really... the brain and the optic nerve do a lot of gymnastics of odd imput to create "sight" as we know it as is... who knows what the hell is up with this kid. Assuming it's not a lame hoax.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
03:19 / 30.01.04
See above comments, kevin. Though I do agree that there's probably some change between obtaining the knowledge and converting into sensory information that fits into the 5 senses. That or she may simply psychologically explain her knowledge away as being a 5 sensory perception rather than being a 6th. So while she might be sensing that you have a tumor in your liver, she might say "I see a black spot on your liver" or something like that.
 
 
A
04:49 / 03.02.04
Maybe she can see infra-red, and her eyesight is sensitive enough to distinguish the minute differences in heat output of different parts of the body.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
17:36 / 03.02.04
Hmmm. Read the Sun article. I think she really IS seeing some sort of energy spectrum, like orgone or prana or something like that. She mentions that her brain interprets what she sees through her eyes, so she's actually perceiving through a 6th sense which is then being fed into 5 sensory perception.
 
 
Cheap. Easy. Cruel.
16:04 / 04.02.04
Hmmm. Read the Sun article. I think she really IS seeing some sort of energy spectrum, like orgone or prana or something like that. She mentions that her brain interprets what she sees through her eyes, so she's actually perceiving through a 6th sense which is then being fed into 5 sensory perception.

I have a problem with "seeing" these types of "energy" that are scientifically unsound. The physical phenomenon of seeing through the body, in my mind, should be linked to a solid physical reason.
 
 
Hieronymus
16:19 / 04.02.04
The Sun as a credible news source?

Riiiiiiiiiight.
 
 
Wombat
17:11 / 04.02.04
The brain is basically an incredible image processing mechanism.
Any input received that doesn`t fit with current verbal descriptions will be described in visual terms. ( Comment is from personal experience and not based on published research ... walk around in the dark in a well known environ..the only thing that you will walk into is a small table at kneee height..describe how you knew where to walk)
Perhaps she is picking up sub-aware clues. Simply describing them as visual components. Then media types add in the sound byte X-RAY.
*sigh*
Fuck enlightenment...one day I will achieve coherence.
 
 
Cheap. Easy. Cruel.
18:33 / 04.02.04
... walk around in the dark in a well known environ..the only thing that you will walk into is a small table at kneee height..describe how you knew where to walk)

Memory. It is a well known, highly documented phenomenon.

Perhaps she is picking up sub-aware clues. Simply describing them as visual components.

Perhaps she is. I would like to know what these clues are. It is a pretty cool trick if it is true. I have a problem with attributing this to some mystical energy. To me it amounts to the ancients attributing seizures to evil spirits.

Fuck enlightenment...one day I will achieve coherence.

Amen, brother. I hope to get there someday as well.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
05:40 / 05.02.04
Orgone's more pseudo-science than mystic. And I never said the Sun was a credible source...and if I did then I was on crack at the time and should be descredited as a madman.

The sub-aware clues are a definite possibility. It would really depend on her background and sources of knowledge, though. It's possible that if she's read some medical texts and had the proper innate aptitudes, without training, that she could probably give rough anatomical stuff. The Sun reporter would have been damn easy, she could have seen the woman going around with her brace before the interview, which probably would have been quite easy. Other information? Easy enough, if it was publicised (and I'd bet that when tabloid reporters get hit you can bet it makes the paper...jounralistic credibility? What journalistic credibility?).

::shrugs:: However I don't think the immediate skeptical viewpoint is the correct one, but that may just be me.
 
  
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