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25 going on 13 (or, Catjerome laments never being a sk8r chick)

 
 
Catjerome
18:52 / 14.01.04
It might be some kind of last-ditch denial at getting older, but anyway ... I never learned to skateboard as a kid. At the decrepit age of 25, for some reason or another, I think I'd like to learn how to skateboard, and I mean not just ride the board but also if possible do some tricks (ollies, kickflips, and that about exhausts my memory of skateboard terms that my brother knew when he actually was a skater years ago). I'm not sure why but it seems like it'd be a fun challenge.

Are there any skaters or ex-skaters out there who can offer advice? e.g. is there a kind of board that's good for beginners? Are cheesy teach-yourself videos any good? Is this something you can learn on your own or do you have to be among other people to pick it up?

(pictures self as "crazy aunt Catjerome" in a crowd of 12-year-olds in the school parking lot at night)
 
 
01
19:49 / 14.01.04
Number one. You're not too old. Please. I just turned 30 this year and still skate regularly. In the summer my buddies and I hit the parks and rip it up with the wee tykes. You're never too old to learn.

Ok so you want to learn some tricks and shet....

I assume you can stand on the thing and basically turn. If you can't that's where to begin. The only way to get it is to practice. Find a big ass parking lot and push yourself around. As far as boards go you just want a run of the mill skateboard. If you can get a used set up or if you're bro has an old one kicking around, that's the name of the game. Once you can push yourself around fairly confidently you want to learn to ollie.

It's easier to start from standing, but to really get it going you'll have to learn to do it rolling as well...but that's down the road. First, stand on the thing. Back foot on the tail. Front foot behind your front bolts. Then slap your tail down and move your front foot up. This takes practice but eventually you do it so that the two foot movements are so close together you elevate your board, essentially doing an ollie. Once you get this down, go back to said parking lot and try do it rolling. Then over some small obstacle like a can on it's side or something. Then try a curb. I guarantee you the first time you ollie up a curb and roll away you will be hooked for life.

Kick flips and other stuff come next. Transworld has a not bad trick tips section.

Good luck and we'll see you throwing the switch 360 flip 5-0 revert down the 20 stair monster in no time.
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
20:07 / 14.01.04
Good luck! If you succeed and stay with it, maybe I'll take it up on inspiration. I'm much older than you, btw.
Do wear yer pads and guards. Til you're the star anyway.
 
 
40%
21:27 / 14.01.04
Funny you should be 25. This kid I know of about 12 years old said that after the age of 25, people lose their guts to do stuff like that.

I'd be most obliged if you would prove him wrong. I'll be 25 in less than a month and I don't want to feel decrepit either.
 
 
01
00:18 / 15.01.04
There you go. You guys should all give it a go. Even if you don't want to do all the flippy tech shit that all the kids are doing, you should give long boarding a try. Waaaay fun. Longer board, bigger wheels, faster ride. More old school, sidewalk surfer feel to it. Alot of "old" cats do this.

Christ you all sound like I did at 25. It's the dreaded "I'm old trip." Honestly I felt like I was older at 25 than I do now.

Ok, so go grab a deck and let'er rip, but unless you're dropping in off of a 10 ft vert ramp or something, lose the pads. They make you look gay.
 
 
rakehell
02:28 / 15.01.04
(Plus you'll find that a lot of blacks wear pads and they're a Jewish invention. So, yeah, they're basically for retards. And the Dutch.)

I would wear pads when you're attempting to do anything out of your comfort zone. I don't skateboard, but I inline skate and I wear pads whenever I'm doing something I haven't done before or can't do well. So not for general skating around or little jumps, but a hearty yes! for bigger jumps or grind practice.

Yes, I still feel uncool sometimes for wearing pads, but I felt even more uncool the 2 weeks I couldn't do anything with my right had because I banged up my wrist real bad.

I'm old and I find there's nothing to make you feel younger than doing something fun you've never done before. Practice like cazy for a month and you'll find skating has a really sharp initial learning curve which makes you feel very, very cool. Just remember to keep practicing after the initial buzz wears off.
 
 
01
03:41 / 15.01.04
Wow, a new Barbelith record for un-PC lingo detection. I swear some of you must have a sixth sense about this shit. Just as I was typing in the dreaded "g" word in my last post, I briefly debated nixing it, then figured what the fuck, I know what I mean and I know I'm not some homo-phobe and I know I don't want to drag the whole fucking issue down to the Head Shop and have some predictable back and forth with the regular cast of characters as to the various connotations, positive and negative, of the word.

Lucky for me my faux pas was pointed out by some blader, soul grinding us all into semantic enlightenment . I'll give him/her/hir/fir/fer/fauxfur this though, I agree if you're only learning and pushing around the parking lot, tough it out. But if you are going to suit up and drop in off the vert ramp, don't use wrist guards as they're more likely to cause you injury than if you don't wear them. That's why you won't see one pro vert guy use them. They're more trouble than they're worth. Oh yeah, and if you're considering < ponders nixing...ponders nixing...ahh fuck it > taking up something totally gay like roller blading do your self a favour and at least have the good sense to get a bright neon spandex suit to go with.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
04:13 / 15.01.04
Well then Mr. Catjerome, welcome to your first mid-life crisis.

Only kidding. I have known a few people who have taken up the deck late in life, the oldest being 33 IIRC.

The first thing that you will need to do is get a decent board with a bit of pop. The best place to get these is to brave the mysterious sideways glances at the skate shop where those rubber 15 year old bastards you wish to emulate hang out. They should sort you out with something far better than a pre-built board from Woolworths.

Then get yourself a nice big parking lot that isn't patrolled by quick response assholes and preferably one that has been recently resurfaced (Sainsbury's are pretty good for this. Thank the lord for good use of corporate profits.).

Finally, apart from learning the tricks whcih I can't teach. Grab a handful of videos as they provide great inspiration and try to abandon the social responsibility that says that undinged and unwaxed curbs are wrong.
 
 
Squirmelia
08:01 / 15.01.04
I've got a "learn to skateboard" type book that I think is from the early 80s (or could be 70s), and even if it isn't useful, the pictures are still amusing. I find it hard to learn from that book though, so don't really recommend it.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
08:17 / 15.01.04
This kid I know of about 12 years old said that after the age of 25, people lose their guts to do stuff like that.

Unless you were me at 12. I never had the guts to do stuff like that.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
11:45 / 15.01.04
Damn it! You almost make me want to go and do it again! Luckily, I'm waiting for a time when it's not freezing cold and/or raining.

I say you can always do something like this. I wouldn't worry about having any guts, they're not required unless you're planning to jump off rooves. I know I don't have any guts now, and I can still enjoy it a little. Just don't be scared of falling off on the flat - but to be perfectly honest you're not gonna hurt yourself badly. Aside from a grazed elbow. Ease yourself in, just to what's comfortable.

I second the car park idea, and if there's a school near you, that might be a nice idea. Go with someone if you can, otherwise you'll get bored. I remember fondly how I might most of my friends just by happening to skate at the local school when they turned up, and long were the nights when the skating ended and the inane banter went on! Skating is a very social thing, but watch out for kids, because they will secretly mock you.

I wouldn't worry about learning to ollie, just carry on slowly progressing in feeling comfortable with the board - that's the most important thing anyway. I've seen people who've learnt all the tricks, but still look hella awkward because they never learnt any style! Being comfortable on the board and just cruising around is one of the best things about it. Try and push with yr front foot foward (on the board) with your back foot to push along. It's just good manners. Unless you wish to be called a mongo.

I'd say rather than instruction videos (download if you can) just get some proper skate vids. They're fun, and you can see what it's all about it. Failing that, try and find someone you like who skates, because that's really the best thing to do. They'll push you to try things a little more, as well as knowing how to pull of some tricks, and you'll both have fun.

Reccomended videos are: Toy Machine - Welcome to Hell. Featuring massiveness, Iron Maiden, the Misfits and bruised balls. A classic from when I just started. All hail!

Girl - Yeah right! Maybe a little too much for now (as in, how the hell -?), but it's a great vid - and it's got Owen Wilson in! Surefire!

(Continuing un-pc): One major thing to remember is that girls can't skate. I'm afraid it's true - just look at Tryphena. Doesn't have the required mindset. So if you have difficulty, you're probably just a girl and it's nothing to worry about.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
11:50 / 15.01.04
Doesn't have the required mindset. So if you have difficulty, you're probably just a girl and it's nothing to worry about.

Don't bait me bitch and I can't believe you used the word un-pc, I might actually seriously have to shut you up if you continue like that.

No seriously though, I never tried but likely didn't have the required mindset but it's more to do with a serious dislike of injury than being a girl.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
12:09 / 15.01.04
Mwaha! I shall bait. I merely jest, of course. In my - limited experience - of girl('s I know) skating, I've found them all to be enthusiastic of wanting to learn, but you finally go skating and they get bored and moan about going home. That's probably more to do with my younger self and girls, though.

I've seen some fantastic girl skaters, not least of which, Elissa Steamer - who was easily equal to any of the guys she was skating against at the Radlands comp.
 
 
Bed Head
12:36 / 15.01.04
Elissa Steamer

What an utterly fantastic girl skater name! She should have her own comic, man. 'The New Adventures of Elissa Steamer', something like that.
 
 
01
13:28 / 15.01.04
Suedehead...bravo for mentioning Welcome To Hell. A damn fine piece of skate history. Does make me feel a tad old though (damn! I knew it would happen eventually in this thread!) if it came out when you first started. My first indoctrinations into video skateland were back in the days of Animal Chin... eeeep....

Ok all those of Barbelith of the skate and non-skate variety, (actually this is directed towards more of the non-skate variety types as I want to get your opinions on this), one of the best skate videos to ever grace TV screens is "The End", by Tony Hawk's Birdhouse. It's bigger budget than most skate flicks and has some of the most creative and artisitic sequences I've ever seen. Visually this shit is amazing if you dig skating or not. It's also got my all time favourite video part as Heath Kirchart and Steve Berra get dressed in three piece suits and proceed to 50-50 grind various Block buster video signs. Then set them on fire. Then set themselves on fire...

The Barbelith skate vid.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
13:40 / 15.01.04
Kirchart and *cough* Jeremy Klein. Steve Berra is the one whose head gets put in a box. But yeah, that is a good 'un.

I wouldn't go too crazy about this one though - good as it is. But it's definitely a spectacle the first time you see it.

However, I must further my praise for Girl - they have a great design aesthetic; their videos are amazing. If you dig a clean sort of style, crossed with a sort of hip hop culture. They're spot on - it's not too unwieldy, just nice and simple. (On Chocolate) they have a great illustrator working on their boards. Also - Spike Jonze is usually directly involved with all their videos, which is marvellous. They have some lovely little quirky sequences.

And their newest video has Owen Wilson in! Come on!
 
 
Catjerome
13:55 / 15.01.04
Hey everyone, thanks for all of this helpful advice and info!


Too old v. not too old - yeah, I know. I kinda started off this thread whining like those people in the Too Much Coffee Man strip about "things you can't complain about." I should really take inspiration from my old compsci prof who is at least 50 and is still doing stunt bike tricks. I guess I just let myself get influenced by the media too much - you know, "skating is for kids", just like "comics are for kids". Bah. Also there's the fact that for much of my life I've been pretty bookish and introverted and feel like I haven't done a lot of typical youth stuff, so I feel like it's past the date when I can do them (again, more "living up to what the media tells me I should be doing", argh). Look for me in the future at age 34 getting a subscription to Cosmo Girl and attending My Very First Rave. :P



Pads v. no pads - I don't do any kind of skating at all, so I plan to be so decked out in pads that I could change my nickname to KotexJerome. 01 - wrist guards not helpful? What do they do that's bad? I type on computers for a living so they're the first things I want to protect.



Gay v. not gay - I get the humor, but man, I already put up with enough of that without the irony over the holidays with my 13-yr-old cousin constantly saying "That's queer!" "That's so gay!" and me desperately holding my tongue since I'm not out as bi to my family yet and didn't want to attract any attention to myself by telling him off. So yeah it gets old.



"Decent board with a bit of pop" - any recs? I'm planning on going to the local skate shop and asking them (rather than press my luck on ebay), but I'm hoping they won't sucker me into buying something useless but shiny.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
14:26 / 15.01.04
Ok! Uncle Suede - here we go!

First: Try before you buy! Do you know anyone with a board? Just try and have a little go before you go full steam ahead and buy yourself a whole set up. Just make sure you actually wanna spend your time larking about on a board. You don't want to splash out all that cash for something you use once. I'd reccomend not to, anyway!

Anyhow, if you're sure you're sure, go to your local skate emporium. If you have more than one go to a few until you find a friendly nice one. I'm lucky because the skate shop in Leicester is really nice and I know them all (all my skate buddies that still skate a lot work there now). It's a friendly skater-owned shop, and they're all real nice. It'll be better if you can find something like that - they'll ease you in.

As far as a board goes, you could probably get a second hand one pretty cheap - and that would do you for now, I'd expect. Also, blank boards are always cheaper - and the shop itself might have it's own shop boards, which are likely to be cheaper. Pro models and big company are more expensive (I should think, it's been a while... they were about £54 last time I knew.). There's nothing much better about them, and if you're just starting, it shouldn't really matter. But you can get some purdy looking boards! (I'm thinking of Chocolate, here.)

Size-wise, the average - and I guess this is for a guy - is about 7 3/4" wide. So, depending on how big your feet are, get a little dinky board, or a great big gnarler! It goes on preference as well, go with what seems comfortable. They should let you stand on them and see how they feel.

As far as trucks and wheels go, that shouldn't matter for now, they're more fine tuning. A good average wheel size - say a 54 should do it. Bear in mind the kind of surfaces around your area though. If they're mostly rough you should get bigger, softer wheels as they'll absorb the impact of rough ground. But if it's all smooth you can have lovely hard small wheels and speed around forever! Get trucks that fit the board (ie, not wider than the board itself).

The only other thing left is shoes, you might have some already, I dunno. Shoes are important in my mind though. Much as I love skating in Converse All Stars, they can hurt your feet pretty bad (ie, don't land a trick - bruise your feet! Gnarly that, it's for "feeling your board".) Try and get some you like, if you need them. I like skate shoes. I managed to pick up some Savier "Story" for £12, and they had a lovely little story on the sole.

One more thing - having never worn pads in my life, I wouldn't say they're of major importance. What kind of skating are you planning on trying? In parks/ramps or just around the street? I've never done anything in my years of skating that would have been improved by wearing pads, bar a little bump or bruise. I believe wrist guards can make it easier to break your arm rather than wrist. Wear them if they make you feel more comfortable though - though they can stifle your movement a little - maybe not having grazed elbows and knees is worth that!

So you're pretty much set, I'd say!

Don't worry about how you look, or what you can/can't do - just try and have fun. That's what it's for, after all. Skating is all about looking at things differently, scoot about on yr bum! Do goofy things, just have "a larf", simply. You're never too old to have fun. Hurrah!

And if it doesn't seem to be for you, buy a Tony Hawk game! Let us know how you get on!
 
 
illmatic
14:54 / 15.01.04
The Barbelith skate vid.

Broken limbs, screams of terror, closeups of grazes, someone "not playing" sitting in the corner reading comics and footage of several backs heading to the nearest pub.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
19:32 / 15.01.04
Decent board with a bit of pop. For the uninitated, pop is the skatechinical term for how springy the board is. As I understand it Girl are turning out some high quality boards in this area although the best thing you can so is go to a shop, pick one off the rack and stand on it. If it exudes springiness then that's what I'm talking about. Also, put your feet over the holes for the trucks, bend your knees a bit and relax your hips. If you don't automatically feel that this is too far apart or too close together then you're on the right track.
 
 
gingerbop
21:02 / 15.01.04
This is cool.

I think it's absolutely mental, but the idea of doing a sport with a piece of equipment terrifies me; I think it's something to do with the idea of landing on top of it. Likewise, I feel I've missed out on a lot of youth-stuff, but doubt that one day I'll get the guts to go and start. So muchas luck to you.
 
 
Char Aina
02:25 / 16.01.04
the piece of wood to land on is what makes it so much harder than rollerblading.

have any of you seen the rainbow 'blade stickers you get from big brother magazine? i think the editor dave carnie has a pink pair of K2's some place, sent to him by the company after he kept piling the homo-blader pressure on.


one thing that you never see skaters doing, and which you should definitely do, is stretching. warming up. you'll get accused of all sorts of shit like being a poser or being 'gay', but i definitely think for anyone with post-teen bones and muscles it's a good idea. if you already do yoga or something you 'll prolly be okay, but injuries are nastier when you arent so limber.
if you're like me, a total oddball bastard, you might even like to use a little ralgex/deep heat on your legs in winter.



i definitely think you should go for it, though.
the lessons i learned form the skatty are many, not least of which being how to deal with and asses pain.

and one final thing; don't be scared of the wee kids, but be ready for them.
 
 
Char Aina
02:25 / 16.01.04
the piece of wood to land on is what makes it so much harder than rollerblading.

have any of you seen the rainbow 'blade stickers you get from big brother magazine? i think the editor dave carnie has a pink pair of K2's some place, sent to him by the company after he kept piling the homo-blader pressure on.


one thing that you never see skaters doing, and which you should definitely do, is stretching. warming up. you'll get accused of all sorts of shit like being a poser or being 'gay', but i definitely think for anyone with post-teen bones and muscles it's a good idea. if you already do yoga or something you 'll prolly be okay, but injuries are nastier when you arent so limber.
if you're like me, a total oddball bastard, you might even like to use a little ralgex/deep heat on your legs in winter.



i definitely think you should go for it, though.
the lessons i learned form the skatty are many, not least of which being how to deal with and asses pain.

and one final thing; don't be scared of the wee kids, but be ready for them.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
04:27 / 16.01.04
Pads

Don't go for pads. They're cumbersome and basically not what skateboarding is about. You need to learn that learning the hardway is a good thing and besides, you can end up with damage in the most suprising places that they just don't make pads for.

The quickest way to learn to not fall down is to suffer from it and on top of that, some roadrash is cool, even sexy to the prospective partner. Some people say that this is a very self-destructive attitude to take, skaters are inclined to think that it's the thrill of cheating death, or at least cheating potential skin grafts.

Don't worry about your, hands, you'll be just fine. I've been through many friends learning to skate and it's never affected them to the point where they just can't type.
 
 
Catjerome
06:20 / 16.01.04
Good point about try-before-buy - for some reason I totally skipped past this step in my head. I've fired off email to my brother to see if he still has his old board around somewhere and if I could borrow it. As soon as the weather around here stops being negative one million degrees I'll give it a shot.

Ahhh, stretching! That's a great idea - I would've forgotten that completely.
 
 
Char Aina
17:07 / 16.01.04
whereabouts are you?
there will be a local ripper, and he may be working in the skate shop.(i say 'the' because every town has one. there may be others, but there is only really one. for glasgow it's MBC on elderslie street, and in town in london it would be slam city) often the local ripper will actually be sponsored, either fully as a proffesional, or on 'flow' as an amateur. flow is basically getting free stuff but not money. you also get the free stufff when they send it, not when you ask for it.

these dudes are also usually slack as fuck and running out of drug money.

find one, chat 'em up till you are mates, and then ask about blagging cheap shit. dont do it in the shop, or if you do make it subtle. most shop owners will have a hissy fit if they think they are being screwed over by staff selling their own stuff, and you are likely to get the dude in trouble.

so yeah.
furr'iboots d'ye stiy, ken?
 
 
Char Aina
17:07 / 16.01.04
whereabouts are you?
there will be a local ripper, and he may be working in the skate shop.(i say 'the' because every town has one. there may be others, but there is only really one. for glasgow it's MBC on elderslie street, and in town in london it would be slam city) often the local ripper will actually be sponsored, either fully as a proffesional, or on 'flow' as an amateur. flow is basically getting free stuff but not money. you also get the free stufff when they send it, not when you ask for it.

these dudes are also usually slack as fuck and running out of drug money.

find one, chat 'em up till you are mates, and then ask about blagging cheap shit. dont do it in the shop, or if you do make it subtle. most shop owners will have a hissy fit if they think they are being screwed over by staff selling their own stuff, and you are likely to get the dude in trouble.

so yeah.
furr'iboots d'ye stiy, ken?
 
 
Fist Fun
16:19 / 17.01.04
I've always wanted to dress as cool as the 12 year old skater kids. I have a job. I should have more money than them. I have no mother to control my clothes. But still they look cooler than me.
 
  
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