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It's BATMAN. It's SUPERMAN. It's WOLVERINE.

 
  

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deja_vroom
02:45 / 11.01.04
fish. barrel. gun.
 
 
eddie thirteen
03:36 / 11.01.04
If this is what can happen to you, I'm pretty sure I'm never picking up another comic book again. Wow.
 
 
moriarty
04:03 / 11.01.04
The John Byrne forum has always been, and always will be, pure comedy gold. From their home page.

Shunned by the very industry which they built with their nickels and dimes in childhood, the world's most experienced comic readers join together to restore all that is noble, moral and good about the superhero genre. Bonded by their good taste, united in their devotion to the old school, they make a solemn vow at the altar of their totem, the greatest writer/artist of their generation, and they will not rest until comic books feel right once more.
 
 
Mike-O
06:15 / 11.01.04
Wow, I felt stupider just READING that.... WTF, Byrne don't you have some better way to make use of your time than arguing semantics with yourself (and othersuch self-involved bromos)? Jesus Christ, I'm sorry but this is bloody ridonkulous....
 
 
Hieronymus
08:33 / 11.01.04
Amazing. There's only one thing infinitely funnier than a Napoleon whose empire exists solely between his ears.

And that's the rim-jobbing minions that encourage him to believe so.

Christ, that's painful reading.
 
 
Lugue
13:27 / 11.01.04
I'm not entirely sure wether I'm gonna laugh until I choke or jump off a cliff from the sheer stupidity of this.

I might work out a way of doing both...
 
 
KwendeCentral
15:08 / 11.01.04
I mean, you just can't shake your head enough at stuff like that.

And I mean, who are the rimjobs actually debating this??

David_Poole_ says:
JB, I agree 100%, and I don't think it's limited to comic characters. I think it's one more sign of the informalizing of our society. During WWII, I don't think anyone referred to the standing president as "little R" (The first Pres.Roosevelt being big R), but now you are as likely to hear the current president referred to as "Dubya" as you were to hear Clinton referred to as "Slick Willy". It seems like we need to bring everything down to the lowest common denominator, whether it's to make ourselves seem important or we're just more fearful and distrusting of public figures. I lay a large part of...

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This stuff'll turn suicide into a sport for shit's sake...
 
 
Sexy Legendary
16:53 / 11.01.04
pointless, from start to finish.

don't get a job in comics, kids, or you may grow up to be just like him.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
19:33 / 11.01.04
John? John, over here. No, John, outside the comic. You have to lift your bloated head for a moment. I'll wait until your eyes readjust to having to distinguish objects not outlined in black ink. Ready? OK, good.

John. These things you speak of? The people who supposedly people belittle by giving nicknames? The ones who are like unto gods? Yeah, y'see, the thing is

IT'S FICTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, John, let's call a spade a spade. This isn't about the dignity of Superman or Batman or Wolverine. You just don't want to feel like a putz writing characters that are, in the end equation, childhood icons. Not that they're not capable of so much more, but as long as you are playing with others' creations, marketed on the whole to a younger demographic, you have to accept that some youthful exuberance doesn't include lighting candles at a shrine to Wolverine, unless they're doing some sort of magick ritual and trying to invoke him as a servitor. And if that sounds silly to you, imagine how silly you sound talking about respect to a character that, if real, would be constantly ridiculed for wearing red briefs outside his tights.

John, if this is how you're going to be about these books, you shouldn't be writing them. Please stop. You're not bringing anything worthwhile to the table that wasn't already there. You've had a good run, and perhaps you ought to take the bookend of working with Chris Claremont again on JLA as an opportunity for a graceful exit.

Because dear God, man, you really sound like the biggest fucking dork imaginable. And this is coming from a big fucking dork.

You may now rejoin your fantasy world already in progress. Oh look, it's still there. A little nickname didn't pop the whole thing like the Internet bubble. Waddaya know.

VJB2
 
 
at the scarwash
19:47 / 11.01.04
I need to read the John Byrne forum more often! That's high art! Wow. Holy smokes.
 
 
CameronStewart
19:54 / 11.01.04
Vladimir, I dare you to actually go post that on the JB forum.

Double-dog-dare you.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
20:59 / 11.01.04
The ironic thing is it would have been considerably less stupid if he hadn't tried to offer a pompous sociological reason for it. If he'd just posted 'Stop calling them Bats Supes and Wolvie, it really gets on my tits' I would have much more respect for him. Well, a little more.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
21:54 / 11.01.04
It's just John Byrne. He's funny sometimes, but I think that's just because he's been doing comics for so long. Don't we all have a strange friend or two who takes something a little more serious than we do? He'll be fine, he just thinks about comic book characters alot.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
00:11 / 12.01.04
I put a VERY long, well reasoned argument against John Byrne's feeling that trade paperback were the worst thing for the industry about 2 weeks ago, and it was deleted and I was banned.

Why?

Because one of the faithful went to my website and saw I gave John Byrne's recent comics bad reviews, therefor I was a troll.

John Byrne is the perfect example of a man who becomes a bitter old man when he gets older. He hacks it out without any respect for his own work, is surpassed by younger artists with more talent, so "things were better in the old days." His forum scares me. It's too bad, because up until the failure of Hext Men, he did some decent work.
 
 
bio k9
03:20 / 12.01.04
I love the lock it and delete the posts of the people that disagree attitude. Beautiful.

Matt Reed is in dire need of an attitude realignment. Chain fight style.
 
 
Mike-O
05:33 / 12.01.04
Solitaire Rose, perhaps we should ban him from this site... not that he comes here, but.... ummm... like a pre-emtive strike dealey! Sounds like his propaganda-machine is full of nancys' anyhow... buncha ponces....

Yes, Bio I say you an' I chain the fucker...

... I hope that doesn't get me banned! :S
 
 
diz
06:39 / 12.01.04
John, if this is how you're going to be about these books, you shouldn't be writing them. Please stop.

that pretty much sums it up, Vladimir.
 
 
doctorbeck
10:30 / 12.01.04
funny, reactionary, odd and hermeticaly sealed i agree
but had some awful skin-crawling-on-the-top-of-my-head feeling as i read it when i thought about what people at work would think of my posts about the x-men and buffy on here

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DaveBCooper
13:15 / 12.01.04
I'm proud to say that it's because I'd already seen that thread online that I wrote about 'Supes' with such glee in the recent thread on the Big Red S. Oh yes.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
01:18 / 13.01.04
Cameron stews: Vladimir, I dare you to actually go post that on the JB forum.
Double-dog-dare you.


What's the point? It'd be gone in 60 seconds, probably sponged away by some zealous bootlicker before it ever burned Byrne's eyes.

Jesus, and I thought the Warren Ellis Forum was packed with some extreme misanthropes.

Diz factors: that pretty much sums it up, Vladimir.

No shit, baby. I think the last thing of his I tried to read was Marvel: The Lost Generation. It was a nifty concept that unfortunately suffered under flawed execution. The last thing of his that I read which I enjoyed was Batman/Superman: Generations. Or did that come after? Who the fuck cares. He evidently has a big boner to prove to everyone out there that he knows as much about these universes as anyone who'd be living in them, if not more, but at the expense of knowing jackshit about THIS universe. By God, he WILL build a perfect continuity with his BARE HANDS to make Crisis unnecessary! Barry Allen will run once more! Captain Carrot will draw the Justa Lotta Animals again! Pardon me, I'm sorry, I'm getting a tad choked up here... sob... oh, the pure majesty of it all...

Possessive little punk-ass bitch. He's like the one kid who in kindergarten grabs the shiniest toy from the communal basket every time and then won't share it. "NO! IT'S MINE! I WON'T LET YOU PLAY WITH IT UNTIL YOU STOP CALLING IT 'WOLVIE'! DON'T EVEN LOOK AT IT! MIZ CRABTREEEEE..."

Ho-hum. Back to people whose opinions matter.

VJB2
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
13:55 / 13.01.04
The last thing Byrne did that I really liked was his "Batman/Captain America" thing he did in the early 90's, set during WWII. I didn't mind his Generations miniseries (that he's now milking with a 3rd version of it), but it struck me as someone trying to get a lot of milage out of an old Mort Weisinger idea.

Funny how Byrne stands up for the integrity of the characters on the forum, but in his novel "Fear Book" he spends page after page talking about how comics are for retarded fat boys and everything in them is utter shite.

And, I'll now channel Randall from Clerks: John Byrne? He can't rent here anymore!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:18 / 13.01.04
John Byrne reminds me of Gareth from The Office.
 
 
Ray Fawkes
14:43 / 13.01.04
Christ, it's the Warren Ellis forum threads all over again.

Okay, Barbelithers, do we feel really good now? Now that we've found another place we can point at and say we are better than them? Yeah, what a bunch of looneys and schmucks they are. Because, you know, we don't see things the way they do.

Eliminate the either/or. If not because it's an intelligent, noble thing to notice one's self in the behavior of those we reflexively dislike, then because it really makes us a whole hell of a lot less annoying.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:53 / 13.01.04
Okay, Barbelithers, do we feel really good now?

Well, I can't speak for everyone else, buy yeah, I feel GREAT.

Get a sense of humor, Fawkes.
 
 
Hieronymus
16:12 / 13.01.04
Fawkes, to me it's one of those 'laugh or cry' dynamics.

The extreme censorship of that place, the tyrannical and capricious way it deals with people who post opinions that don't stroke his ego ("If your post is deleted, it is deleted for a reason. The reason is probably such that posting to ask why your post was deleted will only succeed in getting that post deleted") is beyond asinine. It's not a forum for discussion. It's a home for palavar simply for John Byrne's self-aggrandizement. Where any opinion that doesn't kiss John's ass is summarily removed or responded with 'get your head out of your ass' by the emperor himself.

So yes, it deserves every stitch of mockery it gets, since dissent can only be made outside the house that John built.

Sometimes mockery is a public service for when bullshit is simply bullshit.

And, brother, that place is bursting at the seams with it.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:00 / 13.01.04
Still, some of the comments in that thread about the '3 Superman Timelines' rumour produced a reaction in me very like the one I had to Byrne's remarks, only smaller. Superman doesn't need making modern and "trendy"! Superman has never been trendy, he is More Important than that! Don't those fools at DC have any RESPECT for Superman?!?

So there you are Ray: I don't think "we" at Barbelith are better than John Byrne and the people on his forum. I think I'm better than them, and several other the people on this forum. And you. And Superman. There, that's better, isn't it?
 
 
Ray Fawkes
17:09 / 13.01.04
Hmm...I'd say that the only people without a sense of humor in this situation are those who fail to see how similar this forum can be to the ones we mock so enthusiastically.

Why does it matter to us if there's a tight community out there that won't tolerate dissent. Does John Byrne's forum or his fan base have any real effect on us?

I don't really see the "public service" that's enacted by pointing out a small group of people who don't want to talk to you and declaring them inferior. Personal (dare I say, self-) service, yes.
 
 
Krug
18:12 / 13.01.04
Matthew: Gareth's funnier than Byrne but that analogy cracked me up.
 
 
Spaniel
11:55 / 15.01.04
It is my opinion that John and his mates are a bunch of cocks.

Ray, where is your sense of humour, mate?
 
 
Spaniel
12:03 / 15.01.04
Further...

You know, it is okay to point out shit-talk when you see it. It is also okay to judge those who consistently talk shit, especially when said shit happens to be frequently offensive and rude.
 
 
The Falcon
13:10 / 15.01.04
And arse-puckeringly stupid.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
23:27 / 15.01.04
Ray fawked: Christ, it's the Warren Ellis forum threads all over again.

Ray, I was on the Ellis Forum. I knew the Ellis Forum. This is no Ellis Forum.

So yeah, I feel pretty confident when I talk smack about him or his army of darkness. It's not idle speculation. But at least the WEF had some semblance of taste and diversity. Byrne's Inferno seems to lack both.

I think there's a very good reason why Barbelith is not called "Friends of Old Morrison": we all may have a mutual respect for the man, but it's what he writes about that's the greater concern here, not him or his work itself. Ellis, in the end, was mostly interested in looking cool and lording himself over a willing throng, so much so that it utterly fuckered his career. Karmakarmakarmakarmakarma chameleonnnnn...

See, I'll admit to being a former Ellis' Gate cultist. If I'd been of the Byrne Bunch, I'd keep that secret to my grave. So yes, that makes me feel a shitload better.

VJB2
 
 
Sensual Cobra
17:15 / 17.01.04
Worse, the guy so concerned with the sacred purity of fictional names spells 'Ben Grimm' wrong. (Grim, not un-coincidentally.)

Heh.
 
 
Quantum
09:16 / 13.10.06
*bump*
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:01 / 13.10.06
Why?
 
  

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