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Bush legalising 'slave force'?

 
 
Ben Danes
03:43 / 09.01.04
US plans easing up of immigration policy

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2003/s1022338.htm

At first, I was undecided on this issue. Then, the sting in the tail comes.


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By offering the prospect of legal status to as many as 12 million illegal immigrants, about half of them Mexican, President Bush has granted the business community its wish for willing, low-paid workers.
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He never stops does he? Just when you think he can't top one bold, contraversial action, he tries another. Big business has had a great time the past 4 years in the US, and Bush is planning on giving them a good going away present.
 
 
Ben Danes
03:44 / 09.01.04
Fuck. Forgot the summary. Sorry. Mods, if you can, throw one in.
 
 
diz
08:23 / 09.01.04
i have mixed feelings about this. the people in question are already here working and at least this way they have some protection under the law and access to services and such.

however, this basically makes them an official permanent underclass. they do have some protection, but very few rights and it doesn't seem like they've got much of a chance at full citizenship. plus, now they'll all be on a nice big list with their addresses and such in case anyone needs to fuck with them...
 
 
Pingle!Pop
08:50 / 09.01.04
Big business has had a great time the past 4 years in the US, and Bush is planning on giving them a good going away present.

Much as I'd like to believe it isn't, I can't help but think that the implied assumption in that is rather optimistic.

On a (very slightly) more relevant note, I can't help but be rather wary of:

... the administration claims the reforms will improve security by allowing it to keep track of exactly who is crossing America's borders.

... As dizfactor says, a "nice big list" (with fingerprint information, blood type etc?) which would presumably make it extremely easy to blackmail them or chase them away if the administration were to "change its mind".

But... well, at least it seems a considerably less sinister way of acquiring such information than most of the methods that seem popular at the moment. And it's probably just about the only thing Bush has done that has ever even come close to actually ****ing off conservatives. Given most of the US' current foreign policy, not persecuting people working in the USA just because they come from - *shock* - outside the country seems pretty radical in comparison.
 
 
Cat Chant
12:21 / 09.01.04
if the administration were to "change its mind".

That's the scary bit, isn't it? This sounds like a fairly close parallel with "sans-papiers" workers in France in the last few decades - immigrants, mostly from former French colonies like Algeria, who were granted a similar official-unofficial status to work in France when there was a need for a large pool of cheap labour; once the economic situation changed, their right to remain in France was revoked. I'm hazy on the details, I'm afraid, but a search on 'sans-papiers' would probably bring some stuff up.
 
 
Ben Danes
12:22 / 09.01.04
Dizfactor nailed it. It doesn't look too bad on first glance. The people are already in the US, and possibly/realistically already working the type of jobs they'd be working if they were legal citizens.

But then you have them making their list (and checking it twice?). And there's the problems with rights. Just take them away and send them back? Plus the quote about business I posted really got my hackles up. Plus creating the new underclass: them on the bottom, everyone else like it is now above them.

Apparently Mexico are really pushing for this policy, as it is a major source of economic income for them, from families in the states sending money home. In fact, they want to increase/ or send over more cheap labour immigrants. I'll try to track down the article later.
 
 
Baz Auckland
13:48 / 09.01.04
Article about Mexico's reaction here

President Vicente Fox and the others indicated the new American proposal did not meet all their goals. "We're going for more. We're going for more," he told reporters during a visit to a shelter for street children. Fox has repeatedly urged Bush to legalize the millions of Mexicans who cross the border illegally to work in the United States. The money they send home is Mexico's second-largest source of foreign income, behind oil.

I think this is a good thing, if only because there will be a few million workers that will be able to live without fear of the INS for a few years... but then again, there could be more Walmart situations with mass exploitation and low wages...
 
 
pachinko droog
16:49 / 09.01.04
This is reminiscent of something that has been going on for years near where I live. The next town over has big tobacco fields/barns for the domestic cigar market (I think what they grow there is used for wrapper). Every summer, manual labor is brought in from Jamaica to work there on special work Visas. Their working and living conditions are deplorable, and they don't get paid much by US standards, but by Jamaican standards, they make a lot of money to bring back to their families in the fall.

Is it moral? Yes and No. Importing labor is always going to be a grey area...these are jobs no one else wants, but they are jobs that need to be filled to supply an economic niche. Argue about capitalism all you want, but these are the day to day realities by which many live. Without those jobs, they'd be a lot worse off. But at the same time, it IS exploitation. (One could make the same argument about using prison labor, or even temp labor, come to think of it.)

I'm not sure even how to begin approaching this. Maybe start with a thorough deconstruction of globalization?

Anyone?
 
 
SMS
17:42 / 09.01.04
just about the only thing Bush has done that has ever even come close to actually ****ing off conservatives.

No, he's created huge new bureaucracies in the department of homeland security, expanded the welfare state, passed every spending bill that came to his desk, transferred significant power of the education system from the states to the federal government, slowed free trade, and ignored the loss of manufacturing jobs in the US. I had a longer list, but these are a few reasons for conservatives to be angry with Bush.

Immigration. The last major thing congress did with immigration involved tightening border security and granting amnesty. Through the amnesty program, we discovered that temporary migrant workers in the country illegally number over four times as many as estimates had predicted. Tightening the borders winds up preventing these workers from going home more often than it prevents them from coming here. We desparately need to reform our immigration policies and focusing on this group of people may be the way to start. I'm not sure if that's the intent of this proposal or not, but it sounds a bit like it. Of course, the President is not responsible for the details of the bill. That's the job of congress, so we'll have to wait and see, but since this is a republican President and a republican congress, I would bet lots of money that Barbelith will overwhelmingly oppose whatever legislation results.

Part of me says that rewarding people for breaking the law at the expense of Mexicans who try to get into this country through legal procedures is unjust. This is one of the major difficulties with immigration law. We can't take a libertarian policy of letting everybody move across borders freely, for both economic and security reasons, but neither can we stop large numbers of people from doing so anyway. What to do with illegals, then? They are too often treated as outlaws with no protections under the law. This leads to greater crime, for one thing, and is also unjust.

...official-unofficial status to work in France when there was a need for a large pool of cheap labour; once the economic situation changed, their right to remain in France was revoked.

Actually, that's kind of what the President is proposing, here, although his proposal doesn't sound as sinister as you make France look. His is one that grants worker status to people with jobs, so the number of immigrants in the country is tied to the need for workers at the time. In general, this sounds fine, since there's no reason for immigrants to be unemployed here rather than unemployed in Mexico, but it does mean that employers here will have to follow strict regulations in their treatment of immigrant workers. The power to have an employee deported is substantially greater than the power to have him fired. There are two things to consider on this point. The first is that this bill has to go through a tight Senate, and there's no way the democrats and moderate Republicans will pass anything that doesn't address this concern to some degree or another. The other is that, now, the emplyers already have this ability to get their workers deported, so this law can't make things worse on that front, and will probably make problems more apparent to the public.
 
 
Doctor Singapore
00:32 / 17.01.04
As a reporter, I've been interviewing some people about this, and will be continuing to do so...here in farm/orchard country, it's attracted plenty of interest.

Naturally, there are quite a few Hispanic/immigration activists who are concerned this will be a repeat of the Bracero program (which was the U.S. version of sans-papiers, I suppose) and want to know exactly what sort of protections are going to be in place, regarding things like, oh, workplace safety for instance.
(Headline from a story on AP today: "Farmworkers sue EPA over pesticide risks". Highlights include this quote: "In 2001, 75 percent of farmworkers interviewed by the state Health Department reported symptoms form job-related pesticide exposure. Those surveyed said they often don't seek care because they fear they'll lose their jobs." And that's under the current system.)

The two questions by which this proposal is going to succeed or fail seem to be:
A) Is having one of these "temporary worker visas" tied to having a specific job or, to put it another way, if your employer doesn't give you a respirator when it's time to spray for aphids (see above), can you quit and look for a new job without getting deported? (The answer will probably turn out to be "yes"--because otherwise, it will never pass, as SmatthewStolte pointed out.)

And, B) Will registering for a "temporary worker visa" offer any advantages toward permanent residency? Bush says no...while a lot of other people (e.g. the United Farm Workers union, Senator John McCain, agricultural lobbying groups ) point out that if if it doesn't, there's no reason for all the undocumented workers who are already here to sign up... It only lasts 3 years, and if you've been in the U.S. for 6 without papers, where's the benefit? Especially if La Migra now has your home address and photo...

The president of the WA state Growers League (ag. lobby group) said he supports giving an "earned adjustment" -- that is, if you've been living here illegally for X number of years, have a clean criminal record and have been gainfully employed for most of that time, you can get put on a fast track toward a permanent-resident visa once you register. An associaton of such ag. groups has already put such a bill before Congress--though it would only apply to guest workers in their particular industry. This is also a feature of McCain's bill, also before Congress.

As for Bush, I think his comparatively vague proposal is more of a trial balloon to see what would look good on his re-election platform...and indeed it has p***ed off quite a number of far-right "close-our-borders" Republicans. When Bush decides to ignore these humans and starts dealing with the permanent-residency issue, I'll believe he's serious.
 
  
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