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Quick Invisibles questions

14:01 / 08.01.04

This has probably been dealt with long ago, but I can't find the relevant info.

Seeing these pictures,
http://www.grant-morrison.com/gallery.htm

Visually, King Mob was obviously modelled on Morrisson himself. What are the implications of this.

Also, the number 23 pops up an awful lot.
Apart from the obvious: Key 23 and Cell 23, 23 is the number on Jack's fighter jet in vol.3 and in a hundred other places I'm sure.

Any budding numerologists want to give me some clues.

Bronze

All Acting Regiment

20:25 / 08.01.04

The comic "The Invisibles" was written as a magic speel which ultimately turn fiction into reality. Grant Morrison needs to sort of "add some of himself to the mix" to make it work properly- I'd say the "significance" of this is that it gives you a true connection to the writer's creative core by having him in the comic.

Go and ask at the Magic bit about number 23.

Regrettable Juvenilia

22:31 / 08.01.04

Having a more glamorous version of yourself as one of the main characters in something you write is remarkably common.

13:31 / 09.01.04

Here's a good online reference on 23 to get you started.

19:19 / 11.01.04

In "Anarchy For The Masses" Morrison claims that he modelled himself on King Mob, and not the other way around. King mob becomes more Grant-like as the series goes on, e.g. losing his curly eyebrows. Shortly after this, when KM was being tortured by Sir Miles, GM got a flesh-eating virus and could have died. So he wrote KM getting jiggy with a sexier version of Robin, and lo-and-behold, GM fell in love with a red-haired beauty!

15:37 / 09.03.04

Actually, if anyone's interested, I found something out.

In one of the early comics in volume 2, The Cell are in a diner somewhere in middle america and Mason is talking about how the film Speed is a metaphor for human evolution. At one point he says:

"look for the number 23- it appears in scene after scene... The whole thing's a coded message"

self-referentiality on an epic scale.

Lush.

Bronze.

16:10 / 09.03.04

Hi there, i don't usually come in here but i had to click on the thread that had Invisibles in it's title.

If you want loads of correspondances to the number 23 click here.

I'm sure, almost positive that the writer Robert Anton Wilson will of been mentioned in this thread, but if he hasn't he's probably the most famous and well known recorder of the phenomenom in the world. In fact he may of even been the person that originally made this whole 23 idea famous.

18:38 / 09.03.04

In Cosmic Trigger Wilson actually credits William S. Burroughs with discovering the 23 enigma--the whole "Captain Clark" story and the Dutch Schultz material came from Burroughs. Wilson was responsible for popularizing it, though, and ended up collecting far more material on the subject than Burroughs ever did.

18:41 / 09.03.04

Oh how I love Google: The 23 enigma: Captain Clark welcomes you aboard!

19:01 / 09.03.04

When Miles is torturing KM for information it is revealled that one of KM's cover identities is as a hack writer of "bad horror fiction" -- 'Kirk Morrisson'. Morrisson's dodgy books earned him the money that enabled him to travel in the exotic east on the search to become a bawdy-heided scorpion assassin chap.

Clearly, this is a reference to Spawn #16-18.

23:26 / 09.03.04

Of course.

My only Invissy question is as follows: Fish and chips - only a Glaswegian could think that was magic, eh?* And only when washed down with a tin of Irn Bru at that.

*The first trade, somewhere.

21:19 / 08.04.04

Grant Morrison has said that his 'King Mob' persona was something he adopted after creating the character. Simply put, he created a cool bald character and decided KM's qualities might rub off on him if he physically modeled himself after his creation. The entire series is meant to be, what GM refers to as a 'hyper-sigil.' The story was a gigantic spell designed to indoctrinate the reader into Morrison's theory about the purpose of the universe and our existence. If you want to actually see Morrison talking about this, I highly recommend checking out the DVD, Disinformation: The Complete Series. You can get it for about $20, and it features a thirty-minute talk by Morrison (given in New York in 2000). Morrison talks about the basics of using magick, his experience as an alien abuctee, and why he decided he wanted to write the Invisibles. If you're interested in the alternative press and want to know just how much the corporate media regularly lies I highly recommend bookmarking disinfo.com.