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The Triplets of Belleville

 
 
Olulabelle
09:53 / 07.01.04
I never have been very good at reviewing things which is why I never start threads in this forum, but I had to start this one just to urge everyone who hasn’t already seen it to go and watch The Triplets of Belleville.

It’s a wonderfully bizarre animation centred around a cycling obsessed boy called Champion, his dog - Bruno, who has recurring dreams, his club-footed grandmother - Madame Souza, and the rescue operation she embarks on when Champion (turned adult Tour de France star) is abducted by the Belleville mafia.

Belleville is a tongue-in-cheek version of New York and the metropolis in the film is populated by overly large bottomed people, and comes complete with a hugely obese Statue of Liberty. The triplets are three elderly singing Cabaret stars, now down on their luck and whom Madame Souza enlists the help of, and the whole film has shades of twenties gangsters, silent movies and Fred Astair crossed with Deputy Dawg and Penelope Pitstop. If that sounds weird, then it should; picture the most beautiful, odd animation you have ever encountered and then double it and you won’t even come close to the loveliness of this.

The film is almost entirely visual with a finger tapping, singing soundtrack and very little dialogue, and the comic book style beauty of the animation is breathtaking. I can't even begin to do it justice except to say that it reminds me why I fell in love with animation in the first place.

It’s the feature film debut of animator Sylvain Chomet, and I don’t know if it’s out in England yet because I saw it the other day in New York (its release date for America was November 2003). But if you haven’t seen it you most certainly should - make it your new, number one priority, film watching type thing to do.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
10:19 / 07.01.04
It's not only out in Blighty, but was shown on BBC 2 on Christmas day. Over here it's called Belleville Rendezvous, for some reason. Great stuff, particularly the opening sequence, and when the dog had the toffee. A little lacking in plot though, but lovely to look at.
Have you seen his short film The Old Lady And The Pigeons?
 
 
Jack Vincennes
10:32 / 07.01.04
Bizunth, where did you find the short film? I'd like to see something else of his, as I really enjoyed Belleville Redezvous.

I loved the way that there was no dialogue at all, and yet it was still engaging right the way through. And all the gags about professional cyclists (sitting on the scales while eating, those stupidly exaggerated calf muscles) were brilliant. I'd heard a bit about it before I went to see it, and was surprised by how funny it was ; I had expected it to be strange, and look nice, but hadn't expected to laugh at it...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:57 / 07.01.04
Oh, the riot that's going to start once certain posters see this thread.

I saw it on Christmas Day too, and I have to say I think it's highly overrated. Maybe, in the UK at least, this is in part a result of the Francophile tendencies of certain sections of the English middle class and media. Certainly, I think that Belleville Rendezvous sticks to some pretty well-established traditions of European cartooning, and I think that this has been overlooked in a way that would never happen if it was, say, a North American release sticking closely to territory mapped out by previous US cartoons.

Bear in mind that I saw it for free, at about 6 o'clock in the evening, feeling slightly lazy from Christmas dinner, and with small children and mini table football as distractions. It was totally background telly. If I'd paid money to see it in the cinema, I may have been excruciatingly bored and thus deeply annoyed, because for a relatively short film, it sure drags.
 
 
Olulabelle
11:15 / 07.01.04
Hmm. I feel slightly stupid for not knowing it was on TV here, and slightly concerned that this thread may start a riot.

Where can we find 'The Old Lady and the Pigeons' then?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:22 / 07.01.04
Belleville is a tongue-in-cheek version of New York and the metropolis in the film is populated by overly large bottomed people, and comes complete with a hugely obese Statue of Liberty.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA That's HILARIOUS!
 
 
Olulabelle
11:52 / 07.01.04
Okaaaay...

Belleville is a tongue-in-cheek version of New York (this is clear from the Statue of Liberty reference) and the metropolis in the film is populated by overly large bottomed people, (the metropolis IN THE FILM) and comes complete with a hugely obese Statue of Liberty. (It does, there is.)

Is the upset that a French person is gently mocking the Americans (how DARE they?) or is it just that any comical reference to obesity in the U.S. hits a bit near the knuckle?

Overreaction anyone?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:12 / 07.01.04
Well, I think it has to be said that there is a disparity between the type of humour displayed in this aspect of the film (the humour of physical caricature), which is pretty crude and basic (not necessarily unfunny, but y'know - "fat people! hilarious!" is pretty lowest-common-denominator stuff), and the kind of critical praise the film has received, which has tended to throw around words like "wit" and "invention".
 
 
The Strobe
12:32 / 07.01.04
I rather enjoyed it. Yes, it's slight, but I didn't feel it dragged too much. In some ways, it needs to be seen at the cinema not because it's a "cinema film" per se, but simply because some of the detail in the backgrounds disappears on even a 21" TV.

Yes, it digs at American stereotypes. It also has a French Mafia operating out of an embassay for red wine in Belleville. Enough said.

Cartooning can be about caricature to a variety of extents; Herge used it as a technique, so does Miyazaki. You mentioned fat people, Flyboy; why not extend it to laughing at the disabled, because of Grandma's gammie leg?

It's small, it's entertianing, it's lovely. It has stretch 2CV roadsters, for god's sake. Wit and invention? Yes, there is some. It's a lovely film musically; the sly nods to Django and Glenn Gould, the use of the Bach as a theme, and the wonderfully percussive nature of the music the Triplets produce in their old age. I also had a soft spot for the overweight dog, perpetually terrified of trains.

When I first saw it at the cinema, I loved it - partially because I wanted something light and uplifting, partly because I hadn't seen anything decent for a long while at the movies. Now, I'm a bit more mellow, but I think it's still a charming little film, and that Flyboy and Flux, the Statler and Waldorf of cultural opinion on Barbelith, are being a little harsh.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:35 / 07.01.04
Believe me, there's a substantial difference in opinion between Flux and myself as far as this film goes. I'm somewhere in the middle ground...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:38 / 07.01.04
Relatively speaking, anyway. Did you not see Spirited Away at the cinema, Paleface? I seem to remember that came out at around the same time - if you want an uplifting animated film that knocks your socks off, that's the puppy.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:40 / 07.01.04
Is the upset that a French person is gently mocking the Americans (how DARE they?) or is it just that any comical reference to obesity in the U.S. hits a bit near the knuckle?

Not really. It's the easiest possible joke, and not even particularly funny. It's kind of like how portraying the French as effete beret-wearing, baguette toting cowards with a white flag isn't exactly the height of hilarity or satire. It's just really tired and unfunny. It's also extremely juvenile, reductionist, and hateful. As far as comedy goes, it's totally witless hackwork.

I think the film is utterly lacking in charm and wit. It's just about the least amusing film I've ever had to sit through.
 
 
methylsalicylate
12:44 / 07.01.04
Agreed, Paleface. The wonderful use of French stereotypes puts the humour of the film in perspective. I thought it was a marvellous takeoff of Jazz Age characterisations. And if there's anyone on the planet likely to find the stereotyping of Americans offensive, it's me. And I didn't. So there.

(then again, it is slightly more intellectually honest to be righteously indignant at the generalisation of your countrymen as fat lazy bastards if you yourself are *not* (er, maybe I am a bastard though))
 
 
The Strobe
12:50 / 07.01.04
Fly: I saw Spirited Away on an import DVD some time in 2002, on a big screen at a university film showing, way before it was released here. I saw BVR in September 2003. Spirited Away certainly is the superior film, but Belleville is more of a "cartoon" and less of a "film"; the plot isn't expansive to sustain much more than the lesiurely 80 minutes it already takes.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:59 / 07.01.04
Yes. Spirited Away >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Triplets Of Belleville.
 
 
nedrichards is confused
14:32 / 07.01.04
I wouldn't be overly offended by the fat statue of liberty. Since it was given by the French in the first place surely it's unintentional self satire on the French penchant to eat loads of McDonalds whilst whinning about it at the same time.
 
 
Ariadne
14:59 / 07.01.04
I loved it. It was beautiful, funny, just lovely. Plus I'm into cycling, so that helped.

As for the Americans - well, maybe that was a bit simplistic, but there was plenty of mockery of the French too.

I've read threads about this on other sites too and it does seem to split people into loved it/ hated it camps.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:49 / 07.01.04
Just to make something clear - I'm not necessarily offended by the content of the "HAW HAW! Americans are FAT!" joke; I'm more offended by how bad of a joke it is.
 
 
DaveBCooper
09:44 / 08.01.04
Liked the opening bit, with the cabaret-style thing, rapidly got bored with the stuff thereafter, and couldn't bring myself to watch the rest of it, I'm afraid. Nice style, but ... well, someone else used the word 'slight', and it was slightly too slight for me.
 
 
diz
17:24 / 08.01.04
Just to make something clear - I'm not necessarily offended by the content of the "HAW HAW! Americans are FAT!" joke; I'm more offended by how bad of a joke it is.

i don't know, i just saw it last night, and i don't think it's really like that. at least, i wouldn't describe it that way at all.

at least half of the people in the movie, in France and in Belleville, are fat. absurdly fat. if they're not fat, they're midgets. or hunchbacks. or they have spines like limp spaghetti and they flop all over the place. or they have horrible buck teeth and huge coke-bottle glasses. or they have face continually contorted into grimaces. or they have huge square shoulders that rise up above their heads. or they have huge, bloated leg muscles which prevent them from walking (they can only cycle). or they eat frogs on skewers. or whatever.

it's not "HAW HAW here's a fat person!" it's just a really bizarre overall atmosphere of grotesquerie. there are no attractive, "normal" looking people anywhere, except maybe in the opening flashback-ish dance number movie sequence. overall, it's a very kind-hearted movie with a lot of respect and dignity for most of the wide variety of freaks and weirdos which inhabit its world. the hero is a fat little old lady with one leg shorter than the other.

i loved it. it was almost unbearably wonderful. it was just so sweet and good-hearted that it made me want to cry, but also weird and funny and imaginative and slightly disturbing. so many images that are never going to get out of my head. the grandmother paddling after the ship in a rental paddleboat to save her beloved grandson. the sinister midgets of the French wine mafia. the hand grenades and the frog foods. the maitre'd who can't stand up and just flops around. the ghoulish bookie. the grandmother blowing the whistle in time for everything.

I also had a soft spot for the overweight dog, perpetually terrified of trains.

i loved the dog. i loved his weird, vivid dreams, of riding on trains while the passengers all sit in his window barking at him. when the frog was trying to get out of his dish, and the train was going by, and he couldn't figure out which one to bark at, i almost peed my pants i was laughing so hard.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
10:02 / 10.01.04
For my meagre two cents worth the film was a spark of brilliance that certainly made my Christmas a far more enjoyable period. I too did find such things as the fat America stereotyping a little off but on the other hand it was in it's way helpful to the cultural characterisation that was pivotal to the story. I can't say that this makes it right but it can be understood. I could go on a long rant bout statistics and so on but I really don't think this is the place for it. However, I suspect that the director's motivation was more on common external perception.

What does interest me is the name change. Once again the american entertainment industry has gone off on one despite preaching freedom of expression from the other side of it's mouth. The reason for this change was that it was felt that the popularity of the film would suffer if it had a french title in the wake of recent wartime anti-francophilia. I wonder what would happen if american audiences were invited to judge a piece of work simply on it's original merits rather than having it repackaged for a more nationally palatable consumption.

Conversely it didn't seem to matter that the content if the film was significantly french, just the title. A form of logic that I just cannot understand.
 
  
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