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gingerbop
14:25 / 05.01.04
So I'd imagine a lot of you have been and done this before, but to be honest, I dont have a clue. I'm thinking Europe, Im thinking February til April, Im thinking, 'what do I need to take?'

Here's my list so far;
Europass for trains
Remembering to get travel insurance
Sleeping bag
Clothes
Boots
First aidie kit
Rough Guide to Europe
E1 11

Is there anything else in particular I need to take or do, or any advice for a complete numpty such as myself? Thankyou x
 
 
Bear
14:30 / 05.01.04
A backpack?

A semi-large sword, older and rusty the better
A pistol, I think a gold with black handle one would be fitting for you.
10 gold pieces.
An Indiana Jones hat.
A side of salted beef.
An old treasure map.

Dunno actually never been but I would love to, sounds like you've thought of everything. A mobile that works in Europe maybe? Travellers cheques.
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
14:40 / 05.01.04
By coincidence I have a fair whack of information on this very subject, since I'm leaving these shores in a month or so for a years worth of travel around the globe.

Aside from what you have listed already, you might like to consider some padlocks, especially if backpacking and you find the need to lock something away. Many times I've stayed in hostels around Europe and found a basic latch, but no lock on the door.
Some form of exchange rate information is advisable, even if it's only a general guide. In my experience, almost all scams played on tourists/travellers are based on the victims unfamiliarity with the value of the currency they're carrying. This, to a great extent, is less relevant in Europe now, given that most countries will accept the Euro so you only have one exchange rate to remember.
It's less important in Europe than in developing countries, but it still might be an idea to ensure you have some sort of secure moneybelt/bag. you probably won't encounter any problems, but it's better to have one and not need it than need it and not have one.

Perhaps the best place to check out what you need, and to get the advice/experiences of other travellers, is to visit the Boots'n'All Forums, and check the Europe sub-forum.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
16:04 / 05.01.04
The European Train Timetable. Don't leave home without it. Makes you instantly popular, and saves a great deal of jumping up and down and pointing at maps. The one True Currency of Interrail is knowing when the trains go and where.
 
 
Dances with Gophers
17:14 / 05.01.04
A torch, a swiss army type knife and a sewing kit. If you are sleeping out in february I'd suggest getting a sleeping bag liner, they make a lot of difference and can be used on their own if in an over-heated room.
 
 
Scrubb is on a downward spiral
10:15 / 06.01.04
Photocopies of passport/document stuff, to be stashed way in case yer other stuff gets lost or stolen.

Thick socks.

Non-leaky washbag stuff - solid shampoos/conditioners from Lush are v good; a backpack marinated in coconut conditioner (or what have you) is not so good.

A tiger to snuggle up to at night and ward of thieves and rogues.
 
 
gingerbop
13:44 / 06.01.04
I wonder if house of fraser will donate us the tiger they feed rude customers to...
Is it Thomas Cook that the train timetables come from?
 
 
Scrubb is on a downward spiral
15:33 / 06.01.04
If you're flying over then you should be able to get a reasonably-priced tiger in Duty Free on the way there.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
15:40 / 06.01.04
Always used to be, but that was like a squidzillion years ago. Maybe check Amazon?
 
 
Dances with Gophers
09:46 / 07.01.04
Further to King Scrubb's excelent advice I'd also suggest a rucksack liner or a larger bin bag to keep everthing dry. I'd suggest a set of padded saddle bags for the Tiger as they often feel left out if they are not helping to carry the load.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
07:20 / 08.01.04
gingerbop, depending on where you're going you might find it's cheaper just to pay on the trains themselves -I don't know if a Europass is different from an Interrail ticket, but certainly when I and one of my mates went to Italy last summer everyone we spoke to seemed to think that we were spending less money on travel than they were. (As it happens, the lack of ticket was due to rank disorganisation on our part, but it worked out alright.)

It's also worth bearing in mind that toothpaste can be used as soap, shower gel and at a push shampoo if, like me, you are the kind of person who leaves toiletries in hostels...

Finally I would recommend buying a tiger when you are actually out there -most travel agents ask you to pick one from a catalogue which is as nothing to seeing a real live tiger.
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
07:27 / 08.01.04
Finally I would recommend buying a tiger when you are actually out there

But be careful of scam-artists, fleecing tourists. I know somebody who was in Italy last year and tried to save a few quid by using one of the street-tiger vendors. Sure, it looked like a tiger at the time, but by the time he'd noticed the vendor had gone, taking his stock of badgers dressed in tiger skins with him.
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
07:34 / 08.01.04
rucksack liner or a larger bin bag to keep everthing dry

Most halfway decent rucksacks come with an in-built rain cover now anyway, so if you've yet to purchase one, bear this in mind. What you will need is a rucksack...er...sack. I don't like to think how many rucksacks I seen get destroyed in airports as their many tassels are dragged into the conveyor belt mechanisms of doom.

If you are doing the hostel thing, you may also want to personalise your rucksack slightly - even if it's as simple as hanging some small item from it. This should prevent confusion over which is yours - which happens a lot more commonly when travelling than you might imagine.
 
 
illmatic
08:51 / 08.01.04
With regard to the rucksack thing - you can buy lots of packs that have detachable "day bags" that zip on, so you have a spare bag for sightseeing while you big bag is at the hotel.
 
 
Scrubb is on a downward spiral
08:55 / 08.01.04
In addition to the advice on street-vendor tigers: even if you do get a real tiger on the mainland, the language barrier can be quite a strain. Duty-free tigers may be slightly more expensive but they generally come with insurance and language options.

Also, something I've found useful as a LayDee when travelling - if you have any padded bras that you wear (eg. Wonderbra), remove the pads and put in rolled up high-currency notes or travellers cheques, and a passport photocopy (small). If everything goes absolutely tits-up (which of course it won't and you'll have a lovely time) you should still have enough money and ID to be ok.
 
 
gingerbop
21:47 / 08.01.04
Thats cunning, Scrubb. Another thing thats in the gap-year book is emailing yourself scanned-in copies of passports, tickets, insurance etc, which I thought was genius, myself.

The interrail tickets are most certainly the cheapest option, as my brother works for scotrail, and hence gets them free.

Shower get as shampoo I could bring myself round to, but washing with toothpaste? *ow*
 
 
The Puck
01:46 / 09.01.04
i have also found in my travels the following items to be useful

a roll of gaffer tape. An object is never broke, it just hasnt got enough gaffer tape.

a pen and a small pad set aside for invaluable but tempory information and insights, next train information, good bars recomended etc, if your memory is anything like mine that sort of short term memory information dissapears as soon as i see a flashing light or intresting couler.

popular book, too read obviously but when choosing bear in mind that after reading it it is cheaper to swap it with other travellers so books about drugs and/or murder go down better than books about carpets and/or spoons

If going to a lesser developed country it might be an idea to take your own syringes in case you fall ill, but a hearty read of the guide book before you go should clear that up

personal cd/stereo, there are two schools of thought on this one, some think that by taking such a thing you missing out on some of the country and peoples company, i say that most poeple turn out to be boring and if i have to spend x months listening to the chessy shit that gets played at most backpacker places i might stab someone.

a universal plug for sinks

a sizable collection of drinking games and/or party tricks, for when the inevitable "where you from?" "when'd you get here?" "when you goin back" conversations die on there arse.

a wholly casual attitude towards your matrial possesions is also very handy stuff does get lost and nicked often. dont take anything you wouldnt mind losing is my two cents (that includes your favourite T-shirt that some german girl "borrows" and then pisses of to Darwin in next day bitch BITCH BITCH!!)

Thats all i can think of for now but more may occer to me.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
09:30 / 09.01.04
popular book, too read obviously

Oooh yes, forgot about this -we both took quite a few books along with us, and despite the extra weight didn't regret it. Really helps with all the sitting around that you have to do (between substantive activities / going out / destinations).

Well played re : your free Interrail tix by the way!
 
 
Scrubb is on a downward spiral
09:42 / 09.01.04
books about drugs and/or murder go down better than books about carpets and/or spoons
Clearly you've never played carpety-spoony before...

Ahem.

Lots of youth hostels have bookcases where you can dump your old books and pick up new ones; I managed to get a pristine copy of "House of Leaves" in a hostel in Salzburg, and lugged it back to the UK via Munich, Prague and Amsterdam.
 
 
gingerbop
21:44 / 10.01.04
Puck- Im fully prepared: I actually have two of my fave tshirts. But feck I hadnt even though of books (aside from rough guide etc) or cd player. I always forget that if Im doing anything for more than about 2 days, Im likely to get bored.
 
 
grant
17:51 / 12.01.04
Always travel with snack food. Apples, granola bars, muffins, whatever.

And if you can, get a backpack with the flap you can zip over the straps so it looks like normal luggage. Makes taking it on planes and things as carry-on easier. Tiny padlocks for the zippers might also make you feel better, although it wouldn't be enough to stop someone with, say, a razor blade capable of cutting through the fabric of the bag.

Do you know how to do laundry in a hotel/hostel sink?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
18:09 / 12.01.04
With considerable skepticism?
 
 
sleazenation
18:38 / 12.01.04
with necessary haste.
 
 
pomegranate
20:20 / 12.01.04
what you need to bring is me, obviously. i'm witty! we can hit on people together! come on! i'm a bit older than you but i won't rub it in, i promise.
 
 
gingerbop
22:13 / 12.01.04
Right: So who else is coming then!?

Yes, I know how to wash in a sink. Which was handy for a week-long lisbon'ness with one leotard which got sweatily minging, and one tracksuit that had to be worn every day, whilst I was using factor 40 bright green sunscreen. Needless to say, it was messy.

I think I'll stop in london on the way home for 5 days or so, so might see a couple of you then? Bear; I'll take the eastgate clock with me if you like. As long as it means leaving it far away from me. Cause mum used to tell me that when it went off, it meant I couldnt go into the Early Learning Centre. I assumed it was some real kinda law for years.
 
 
Catjerome
03:53 / 13.01.04
Gingerbop - what's this gap year book you were referring to? I'm interested in books with advice on backpacking and student travel. Would love to do more of that myself.

Things that I've found helpful when I was traveling:
- Many small plastic resealable bags for holding wet things (knickers that haven't dried yet from sink laundry) or containers that might explode (travel toiletries)
- Mentos. Frigging lived on those sometimes. Mint ones good as food _and_ breath improver
- Small pocket-sized notepad and cheap pens. No way in hell I bring my PDA with me on trips, but I needed somewhere to jot down things.
- Extra hair elastics, if you have long hair. Or even if you don't, to offer to anyone who needs them and make yourself come off as a Good Samaritan

(side note - does anyone out there grind their teeth at night and wear a plastic mouth guard to stop this? I have one that I was advised to soak during the day, but I have no idea how to go traveling with it. What do people with dentures do? Or do I not actually need to submerge it during the daytime? :: is baffled :: )
 
 
Mr Messy
04:02 / 13.01.04
Hello gingerbop, and all the rest of you folk out there.

I'm on a big travelling type experience right now. This is the first time I've checked the board for months.

My question to you is what sort of experience do you want? Is it gonna be a madcap tour of as many sights as possible, or perhaps a more laid back saunter with nothing specific planned except enjoyment?

I started off my trip in a great hurry. I was so scared of being alone in the world that I hardly stopped anywhere for more than a few days. And there were so many places I could have lingered (sighs wistfully). It was an exhausting 3 months. However, I've spent the last month working on an organic farm in Golden Bay on NZ's south island. It is idyllic, totally different to any kind of living I've experienced and I'm finding it hard to move on to the next part of the adventure.

Oh yeah, take a camera. A camera is essential. Just don't do what I did and get so monumentally drunk at your leaving party that you lose it the same night it was presented to you by your work colleagues.

Have fun sweets.
 
 
fidrich
17:15 / 13.01.04
Catjerome: obviously I'm not Gingerbop but a couple of books I've found useful are The Virgin Traveller's Handbook and Before You Go by Tom Griffith (or something) and The Backpacker's Bible by Suzanne King and Elaine Robertson. Full of budgeting stuff, tips, what you need, where to go etc. If you have ovaries the one by King and Robertson can be used as ammo against the "But you'll get murdered and raped and KILLED!!" squad though it isn't specifically aimed at women. Griffith seems like a bit of a twat but his books are still pretty useful.

Gingerbop, I can't remember if anyone's already suggested this but headtorches are the coolest things ever. Apparently they can be useful too.

*is so very, very jealous of Mr Messy*
 
 
gingerbop
19:11 / 13.01.04
I think we're having a lazy, yet fairly structured saunter. Turns out its not going to last as long as I would have liked- only about 4-6 weeks, cause my brother, unlike me, still has a job after this month to go back to, and unlike me, doesnt get paid off.

The places on our combined list were Amsterdam, Berlin, near Munich (to see a friend), Prague, Sophia perhaps, Vienna, Venice, Verona, Nice. Roundabout 4 days each, sacrificing places if we like somewhere lots. Basically, I can do whatever I want; I can linger after giles runs out of money. I could go and aupair or work, or preferably join a circus. I really am free as a bee, apart from not being at all happy about travelling on my own. Though 6 weeks with the same person could change my mind for me.

As for which gap-year book; emm, i think it's just called the Gap Year Book, and it's yellow. They bring a new one out every couple of years.

Catjerome; the necessity of taking hairbands with me was a small factor in chopping my hair off- and it doesnt look a complete state if i leave itself to its own devices for a day or two.

My mums actually suprising me. She's much less in the "But you'll get murdered and raped and KILLED!!" camp than I thought she'd be. As in, what she's more worried about is when I come back and she and dad will be living in Greece for a few months, and I wont have anyone to cook for me. She doesnt seem to understand that we're being left to our own devices in foreign countries for a month or two; think I might survive living in my own home. So partay on, for 2 months or so.

Thanks everyone.
*updates list*
 
 
Squirmelia
08:26 / 15.01.04
I'd love to go backpacking, but am worried it would turn into something from one of William Sutcliffe's books, where I would spend the whole time looking for accommodation and travelling, but wouldn't actually get to see anything! What kind of places are you planning to stay in?

I've been flicking through STA Travel's brochures a lot today, and really want to travel somewhere!
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
17:17 / 15.01.04
Amsterdam's exactly what you'd imagine, Berlin and Prague rock, Vienna feels a bit drab after Prague, Venice is amazing but pricey, Nice is a gargling little hell-hole, but it's fun for a while. Watch yourself down there, though, it's not quite the paradise it seems. French/Italian trains along the coast are fuller than you earth people can imagine, so try to reserve seats. If you get the chance to dip into Italy, see Florence. Other than that, can't think of anything. Oh, wait, yes I can. If you get the chance, touch the alps. They're special.
 
 
Baz Auckland
18:05 / 15.01.04
May I suggest that between Vienna and Venice, you stop in Graz? It's just 2 hours south of Vienna (and hence, on the way to Venice anyway). It's the most amazing place I've been, and a much much better Austrian Experience than Vienna. Very cheap, great pizza, pubs, a castle in the middle of town, AND it's the Cultural Capital of Europe for 2004!
 
 
Bed Head
18:14 / 15.01.04
Golly, I'd recommend Oporto. It's Prague with sunshine. A place where you can lounge around for days and weeks on end just drinking coffee and reading your book. And getting blotto on port, obviously.
 
 
gingerbop
21:46 / 15.01.04
Heh- everyones slagging off my brother's suggested stoppages. I do imagine Amsterdam being how I imagine it. Prague is where Im most excited about, and Berlin sounds wicked too- not to mention visiting my friend/friends sister/brothers friend (damnit, someone I know and like), who I've just found out is soon to be multiplying. So thats exciting.

Im not overly fussed about Austria to be honest, but Giles wants to go there. He also wanted switzerland, but he forgot it when route-planning and i didnt bother correcting him. Seems expensive, soulless, and full of hills. And if theres one thing I cant be arsed with, its big pointless hills.

Whats everyones takes on Hungary and Bulgaria? I'll have to re-read Neither Here Nor There, but Im sure one of them was reputedly lovely.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
08:21 / 16.01.04
Yes, Prague totally rocks -and you have to go the Biggest Music Club In Middle Europe as well, because it's brilliant in a concrete peeling off walls sort of way. Nobody's bigged Verona up yet, and it's a lovely place ; the hostel we stayed in was in an old villa, and in the garden there were a load of old passageways and wee rooms carved into the hillside. Which entirely rocked. I can't even remember why we decided to go now, I think it was because we'd just been to Venice and fancied eating again after the prices there...

Enjoy Berlin too, it's somewhere I've always wanted to go!
 
  

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