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Regrettable Juvenilia
01:02 / 04.01.04
Can we all agree that reading a thread before one posts to it is in general highly preferable? And that in the case of more serious, in-depth discussions, it is actually a requirement in order for one's post to be taken at all seriously?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
01:12 / 04.01.04
I have actually moved to have my "if you haven't read this thread, why should we bother to read your contribution?" post removed. on the grounds that it would not advance the thread, but I am entirely of Flyboy's party here. Absolute and perfect recall of every detail is not necessary, bits of repetition are forgivable, but when somebody turns up in the Head Shop saying "I haven't read/have only skimmed this thread", it alwasy strikes me that if the person in question wants to talk at us, not talk with us; if they were interested in the topic, after all, they would not find reading the thread a hardship. In my hardline moods, I am tempted to delete posts so introduced, PMing the person involved with the text of their post and inviting them to read the thread and see if it has already been said, but that might seem rude. These posts are, coincidentally, usually of little interest, either retreasing old ground or going off into a disquisition on the person's life/mates/incredibly interesting friends rather than actually adding anything of worth or interest...
 
 
illmatic
13:47 / 09.01.04
I don't really see the point of this thread. Something I missed that your having a moan about, Fly? If it's not specific why have you seen fit to start a thread? In general, I'd agree with you but it certainly instances it might not be necessary. With regards to some of the longer and more complex threads, they take quite a while to get through and it's possibly to get the gist of the thread from a quick skim, and still feel that your adding something new without wading through the whole thing.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:16 / 09.01.04
I'm always unsure about pointing specifics because people have a tendency to take things personally, but this was the most recent example.
 
 
Char Aina
04:03 / 10.01.04
is such laziness so evil?
when one can easily link to the original post that covers whatever rehashed information has been posted in ignorance?

some of us have not the luxury of hours in front of a computer in which to read a thread of that size. and they may still want to contribute. not me, obviously, i was told and i heard. i read everything thoroughly and if i cant read it all, i honestly dont even bother starting on it. but there are other people, say those using internet cafes, who might want to throw their wood in the fire but due to time constraints cannot fully prepare themselves.

is it really so much harder to put that link (above) in the offending thread rather than start a whole new one about the phenomenon?
rather than just spend a post being snide, spend it educating them. with any luck, feeling silly will stop them from being so silly again.
 
 
Char Aina
04:06 / 10.01.04
sorry, that would make more sense if i wasnt suggesting you link a post to itself...

i meant of course that one might link to the original occurence of the points made, as i said earlier in the post.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:02 / 10.01.04
I imagine that Flyboy is hoping to avoid having to ask people to read threads within those threads every single time somebody does not, thus minimising threadrot.

In answer to your question, such laziness is not evil. Such laziness is lazy, and demonstrates that somebody is more interested in hearing the sound of their own voice than whether they are adding anything worthwhile to the thread that has not already been discussed to death three pages earlier. If a thread is a long thread, a bit of repetition is forgivable, of course, but it really doesn't usually take that long to read a thread before posting to it, and it is likely to increase your enjoyment and the enjoyment of those around you.
 
 
Seth
15:38 / 10.01.04
Haven't had time to read this thread yet but I remember this one time when I started a great thread and this fucker just posted everything I'd said in my opening post as if he'd made it all up himself and had the sun shining out of his butt. The twat.
 
 
Char Aina
17:23 / 10.01.04
really, seth?
that sounds a bit wierd.


and haus, i understand what you are saying.
you might however want to take into account slower readers than yourself. maybe some who have dyslexia, or so limited a vocabulary a thread in the headshop requires frequent dictionary visits. hasn't your time spent in that holiday home you keep in selfawaria taught you that you are more wordy wise than many of us here? isnt your job related to the written word as well? there's a lot of practise between you and some of us.
imagine if you will an olympian decathlete telling an obese man that the walk up the empire state stairs is no big deal.

if we look at one of the threads in question, it would seem that you posted pondering why a post by someone lazier than your self should be read at all. what i was suggesting was that after(or maybe even before) the quippery, you add some useful link to the original post. that's all.

in a perfect world, all threads would be studied before being entered, and all obese men would be able to run up stairs without cardiac arrest.
how about in our imperfect world we try to make it easier on the slower kids so they do catch up and dont run away to hide?



yeah, i know.
smacks of socialism.
bad commie.
 
 
Jack Fear
18:15 / 10.01.04
Oh, please.

I think the Haus has nailed it: posting to a thread you haven't readx all the way through indicates that you want the pleasure of speaking without the hard work of listening.

That's not only lazy, but selfish and egotistical.
 
 
Char Aina
18:46 / 10.01.04
oh please what?
haus isnt a faster reader than many?
haus hasnt a larger vocabulary?
haus neednt take into account people with learning difficulties having to weigh up very different options when considering commiting their time to reading a thread?

haus may have nailed it, but i still think there is no need to be nasty about it.

as i said, making some one feel silly will make them try to be less silly more effectively than telling them how silly you think they are.

would a post to say that been said before not be deleted anyway? so what harm to add a link?



fair enough, one thread to end the problem (i suppose the intent of this one) woud be less post inches than a whole bunch of messages in every single head shop thread, but do you really think no one will ever do it again because of a policy thread?

we should do a roll call of the policy some day, i bet there are about twenty folks reading it and even then only occasionally.

i really dont see why you can't take haus's view(which apprently nailed it) and stick mine on top. my view being that rather than looking down our noses and tutting, we could help the lazy ones get with the program.

should i really say we?
i'm hardly a presence in there, i guess i mean you.
you could all help the lazy ones get with your program, or you could set yourself up in opposition until either they conform(humiliated and apologetic) or they leave.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:45 / 10.01.04
toksik... I don't really think we need to complicate the issue by including spurious invocations of socialism and your worship of Haus. The olympic decathlete / obese man climbing the Empire State Building is also barely applicable. People can take as long as they like to read a thread, and offer their thoughts as tentatively as they wish... Your analogy would be more accurate were you to ammend it to, say, should a person who refuses to attend practice matches, training sessions or even learn the basic rules of football, be allowed to play for their local side?

You're quite right (in your most recent post) about the intent of this thread. But God knows where you get the idea that I think anything is "evil", and your apparent claim upthread that I'm being snide is both insulting and baseless (snide to whom, since I went out of my way to keep things as general as possible?). Not is the number of people who read the Policy forum really an issue: the fact is that as I understand it this *is* the place for discussions about Barbelith and how we all post to it, a sort of FAQ in forum form. I'm still unclear as to what you're suggesting as an alternative...
 
 
Bed Head
20:02 / 10.01.04
As a suggestion then, howsabout a form PM to the offender saying you, the forum moderators, will move to have such dozy repetition deleted unless they read the thread and edit their post so as to make it relevant? As opposed to either posting in the body of the thread to ask them to read it, or starting threads like this? I know it seems like a lot of work, but maybe if it's worded right it'll be a slap down that each poster only ever needs to hear the once. I really like the Head Shop. It’s a great forum to read precisely because the strictness of the moderators keeps everyone focussed and makes for really densely packed threads, but one reason I choose not to post there very often, apart from being just too bloody stupid, is the difficulty I have with staying on-topic for more than a paragraph. What I’m saying is, self-moderation is surely the responsibility of everyone who posts on Barbelith. Some just need to be reminded what this means. If they still don’t get it, then moderate the fuckers, publically or otherwise.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:12 / 10.01.04
Hmm... I'm afraid I don't entirely understand Toksik's solution either. I think what he means is that we should link back to wherever in the thread the opinion has already been expressed, but I'm not sure what that would achieve as opposed to a post asking somebody to read the thread.

I also don't see this as attacking people with learning difficulties. First, learning difficulties is used to describe a number of different conditions which affect somebody's to process or retain information. The use of it to describe people who do not read quickly is frankly insulting to all concerned, and you should probably try to avoid using such emotive terminology for effect. Second, as Flyboy says, people are welcome to read at their own speed and contribute whenever they feel competent to. If they have not read the thread, they probably shouldn't be feeling competent to contribute. I don't see this as a terribly controversial position.

Finally, and this will no doubt lead to outrage, I'm afraid that there are some situations in which people should not be contributing to the Head Shop. That is one reason why the Head Shop is not the Conversation. One of the things likely to make one unsuitable to posting in the Head Shop is a lack of interest in what other people think, or indeed in the topic being discussed. It's like a book group. If you haven't read the book, you probably won't be a useful contributor.

Now, on methods: would rather be asked to read the thread in the thread, asked by PM or directed by PM or in the thread to this thread? Which do you guys think is least likely to annoy?
 
 
Bed Head
22:40 / 10.01.04
Like I say, man. I think a form PM explaining the minimum requirements of the Head Shop. Maybe a text agreed by all forum moderators. Not signed by any particular moderator. Helpful enough not to get any backs up, impersonal enough not to cause bitterness, clear enough as to not invite extended debate. If they don’t feel able to comply, then move to moderate yourself.

I’m only suggesting this in cases like the ‘Jupiter’s Child’ post that started this, which was immediately followed by a couple of posts just attacking his slack attitude. People that aren’t meeting the minimum required for input should be reminded what’s expected of them. I’ve made a couple of posts in Head Shop which I now realise were terribly inappropriate. Because it’s normally such a focussed environment, it’s very easy to rot a thread to buggery before you realise what you’ve done. I realise this now, and I think I’ll stick to reading for the time being.

On the other hand, a post like the one Haus just made in the ‘Androgyny’ thread, which clarifies and focusses the discussion is a really good thing. I’ve noticed Mods doing this from time to time, stripping away the fluff, it actually helps readers as well as posters.
 
 
40%
01:17 / 11.01.04
On the ocassions where I have posted early on in my reading of a thread, and then read the rest, I have found that what I posted is usually somewhat off track. I think it's inevitable really. What you feel like saying at the start of a thread is never going to be quite the same as what you want to say after reading the whole thing. And you can tell from a person's tone whether they have really exercised any thought, which reading about a given subject for a while requires you to do.

Therefore I try to avoid posting in threads I haven't read because I don't want to risk sounding like a twat. That won't always be the case when you post blind, but if you do post blind, you never know just how far off track you may be, and how glaringly obvious your ignorance is.

If you were to ask me to recount everything that had been said in this thread, I would struggle, especially at this time of the morning. But if anything had been said which would affect my decision to make this post, I would have taken note of it, and altered my post accordingly. Which means that although everyone else may not like what I've written, at least I know that I'm happy with it.

It's just a bit of an alien mentality to me, this hit-and-run approach to threads. I can't see any satisfaction in it. Even if you do like the sound of your own voice, doesn't that mean that you want it to be heard? And if you post blind and don't read what's before or after your post, how do you know if you've been heard or what impact your comments may have made?

I don't think there's anything to be gained by disciplining those who post blindly. The most compelling reason not to do so is to be perceived favourably by other board users. And if someone doesn't seem to care about that the slightest bit (Jupiter's Child would appear to be such an example), what can you threaten them with?

One possible downside is that reading a thread all the way through usually leads me to make a fairly long and considered response like this, which can be tiring for all concerned. Once in a while you need to have a bit of a knee-jerk. You can't always be completely self-controlled. But if you are going to have a knee-jerk reaction, it might as well be something potentially entertaining, rather than just the most obvious response to the given topic ("You know man, like, what's the point of being PC? THEY'RE not offending by these terms! Middle class repression etc.)
 
 
Char Aina
02:12 / 11.01.04
I'm not sure what that would achieve as opposed to a post asking somebody to read the thread.


well, i was suggesting a gentler approach than straight away suggesting that the offending poster was lazy and rude, and as a part of that, showing hir that the ideas had been expressed rather than just saying so.
if ze is unwilling to read a whole thread in the first place, why would ze read it to find a post that 'repeats' what ze just posted?

nah'm'say'n?

it does mean doing some of the child's work for them.
like a father.
a patron.
you would get to patronise the offending party.


wouldnt that be nice?
 
 
Char Aina
02:29 / 11.01.04
I don't really think we need to complicate the issue by including spurious invocations of socialism and your worship of Haus.

um.
to each what they need... help understanding the headshop's many idiosyncracies being what they may need. is that so far removed from socialism that i cannot make daft remarks about it?

as to worshipping the haus...
i am impressed with the man's articulacy and mastery of language, sure. i dont want to touch his special places or anything though. i dont want to learn at his knee or 9bask in the glow of his reflected glory.

i brought up his familiarity with the written word because it seemed relevant in a thread about reading.


The olympic decathlete / obese man climbing the Empire State Building is also barely applicable. People can take as long as they like to read a thread, and offer their thoughts as tentatively as they wish... Your analogy would be more accurate were you to ammend it to, say, should a person who refuses to attend practice matches, training sessions or even learn the basic rules of football, be allowed to play for their local side?

i see what you mean, and i reckon your example takes it too far over the other way.
for one, i reckon barbelith is a few mates getting together to have a kickaround more than it is the local side.


You're quite right (in your most recent post) about the intent of this thread. But God knows where you get the idea that I think anything is "evil",


okay, i was quite pissed when i posted.
i should have maybe said 'so bad' or 'so wrong' or some other word.
'is it such a crime to be so lazy?', maybe. but then laziness is not illegal and i am sure some wag would have pointed that out for me.


and your apparent claim upthread that I'm being snide is both insulting and baseless (snide to whom, since I went out of my way to keep things as general as possible?).


i didnt think i had said you were being snide... i was reffering to haus' "why should we bother" remark. the deleted one.



Not is the number of people who read the Policy forum really an issue: the fact is that as I understand it this *is* the place for discussions about Barbelith and how we all post to it, a sort of FAQ in forum form. I'm still unclear as to what you're suggesting as an alternative...

i was suggesting that a thread in a pretty unpopular forum was going to have little impact on the posting style and ettiquette of new members(or old ones venturing into unknown lands). far better to PM or if you have to, use the thread. (i personally like the PM route, but that's because i like not to embarass people unnecessarily) if you do use the thread, make it a useful comment.


one question here becomes relevant again for me;

is it realy that much hassle to delete a post from a thread?
are you sure there are no people who have been in the job long enough to let the little things get huge?
 
 
Char Aina
02:42 / 11.01.04
I also don't see this as attacking people with learning difficulties.

good.
me neither.



The use of it to describe people who do not read quickly is frankly insulting to all concerned, and you should probably try to avoid using such emotive terminology for effect.

really.
so no learning difficulties that affect reading and comprehension skills at all then? i'm using the terminology to make you into a BadMan, you reckon? that was never my intent, and i'm sorry you got that impression.


Second, as Flyboy says, people are welcome to read at their own speed and contribute whenever they feel competent to. If they have not read the thread, they probably shouldn't be feeling competent to contribute. I don't see this as a terribly controversial position.


and you are probbly correct.
well, at least i agree with you.
i am thinking of how we deal with those who transgress, not whether their position as lazy folk is tenable. the fact that a person fully versed in the topic at hand is a better conversation partner than one who is not is almost obvious enough to be a truism.



Finally, and this will no doubt lead to outrage, I'm afraid that there are some situations in which people should not be contributing to the Head Shop. That is one reason why the Head Shop is not the Conversation. One of the things likely to make one unsuitable to posting in the Head Shop is a lack of interest in what other people think, or indeed in the topic being discussed. It's like a book group. If you haven't read the book, you probably won't be a useful contributor.



um. yeah. but what if the reaons are not as selfish as you think? for you, the outlay (reading the whole thread) is minor. for someone with a lesser reading ability, the outlay is definitely more. is it not concievable that they are not as lazy as you think?




Now, on methods: would rather be asked to read the thread in the thread, asked by PM or directed by PM or in the thread to this thread? Which do you guys think is least likely to annoy?

a PM worded as form a friend not a teacher, and maybe even a link or two in there to demonstrate the point before the salvos of spittle get flying. if a person is confronted with pretty damning evidence before they have said anything in rebuttal to the accustations of selfishness/laziness/whatever, said person is unlikely to be as eaeger to get rowdy. it's easy to back down when you havent yet fronted up.
 
 
Char Aina
02:55 / 11.01.04
oh, and one more thing on
The use of it to describe people who do not read quickly


there are those who would find reading a thread on a website harder than myself, haus or flyboy. for some of those people, it is due to a lack of intelligence. for others, it may be due to ignorance of the technology/format in use. for others still, it may even be down to a learning difficulty.

that is not in any way to say that anyone who cannot read as quickly as i can or as well as i imagine many of the 'lith core can has a learning difficulty.
it is also not to suggest that anyone with a learning difficulty canot read.

it is to say that some learning difficulties affect reading and comprehension skills(and their development), and that there may be those for whom reading three or four web pages would be an unsurmountable nightmare.


i'm not saying anyone who has so far posted in laziness is so hampered, but when you blast them, you should be aware that they might be.




(i am slightly wary that i am being purposefully pushed into an unPC zone here, and it's not one i would ever visit willingly. i have some experience working with kids and adults with learning difficulties, and i am not as ignorant as it seems you assume i am. are you baiting me?)
 
 
Cat Chant
09:26 / 11.01.04
is it realy that much hassle to delete a post from a thread?

Not for the person deleting, no, it's pretty easy. But the people who get deleted sometimes get upset about it. I don't think immediate deletion of repetitive posts is a better solution - either to the problem of making the Headshop more welcoming for people who find it difficult to read a whole thread and/or the problem of stopping people from posting without reading a thread - than, well, asking people to read the whole thread before posting.

there may be those for whom reading three or four web pages would be an unsurmountable nightmare.

In which case, perhaps your obese man might like to take the lift? That is, if the protocols of Barbelith as it stands are an 'insurmountable nightmare' for people who want to discuss an issue, perhaps they could stop trying to "take the stairs" and discuss the same issue on a board whose technology and protocols are tailored to their particular requirements? (I certainly don't think that just deleting everything that looks repetitive in a thread is a better solution for dyslexic posters or others who find reading a thread insurmountable: then they don't read the thread and neither do they, effectively, post to it.)

I think if Barbelith is going to make a serious effort to be more friendly to dyslexic people, people with learning difficulties or people who for whatever reason (including simple lack of previous experience of theoretical texts) find the vocabulary in the Headshop a serious obstacle to their involvement in the board, it's going to have to do a hell of a lot more than just not expect people to read threads before posting. And if it isn't going to make a serious effort, then we might as well agree some protocols that work with the board as it currently functions.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:08 / 11.01.04
(toksik - I'm not trying to bait you, I'm asking you to think about what the words you are using mean. Also, if you are going to come out with childish, insulting lines like:


it does mean doing some of the child's work for them.
like a father.
a patron.
you would get to patronise the offending party.


wouldnt that be nice?


could you please do it in the Conversation? I know that people are far easier to talk about than ideas, but it's not what we are here to do.)

This is true - I mean, accessibility is a huge issue anyway; the Disability Discrimination Act of 1995 (part IV) says that any entity rendering a service should take reasonable steps to make it accessible to people with disabilities. However, there is ceratinly a question over what is meant by "reasonable". Would it be reasonable, for example, to impose a three-page limit on discussions in the Head Shop, or a three-syllable limit on words used in the Head Shop? I'm thinking that that would probably be seen as an alteration of the quality of the service delivered sufficiently great that it was not reasonable.

Likewise, to what extent should we alter the service? One part of this is that the Head Shop is, realistically, to a great extent a far simpler place on average than it was, say, two years ago. This is primarily due to churn. In a sense, it has been made more accesdsible already, and I'm not entirely won over by the idea that we should be removing furher obstacles, beyond possibly trying not to use complex terminology when we don't need to and maybe starting some threads that are aimed at a primarily non-academic base, both of which I think are being done very well at present.

I have just, oddly enough, received a PM with some relevancy to this, but it beng a PM I fear I cannot go further. Generally, however, it is probably a good idea to remember that in concept and execution the Head Shop is intended as a place in which intelligent and engaged discussion is the aim, not the provision of a forum in which people can say whatever they like. The Revolutiomn threads are, or should be, of a different kind to the Conversation or the Spectacle. One of these differences should be that people don't have to be told that they should read the thread before posting to it, and I'm afraid that I am of Deva's party that somebody who is actually unable to read the thread is probably not going to get much out of posting to it. This is unfortunate but we can no more change it than we can change the tendency in the aforementioned olympic decathlon to favour olympic decathletes.

In most cases, however, we are not talking about people with special needs. We are talking about people who use the phrase "I have not read this thread, but" to excuse repetition, threadrot and off-topic rambling. Int he case above, if Jupiter's Child had read the thread he might have noticed that it was operating at a different level to his contribution, for example. I think that's what 40% payrise is talking about - reading the thread doesn't just tell you if somebody has already had your idea, it also gives you a feel for what is being discussed and how it is being discussed that just reading the title cannot. That would have made life easier for all concerned.

So, I would suggest a mod-hatted request to people actually to read the thread if they begin by saying that they have not. If they are repeating a point, and the moderator has the energy to pull it out, then a link to the first statement might be reasonable. I don't favour deletion unless the post is wildly off-topic.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:56 / 11.01.04
Fair enough, I think in future maybe Mods should PM people about stuff like this. To be honest though, I think all this guff about people with the "special need" to jump into a discussion and start giving their opinion on that discussion without having first familiarised themself with it in any way is irrelevant. Reading threads before you post to them is entry-level, basic, and obvious - or at least it should be. This seems to be to be almost beyond question.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:56 / 11.01.04
I agree. The only question, I think, is whether to PM or say in-thread. I don't really mind on this one, so maybe it should be a matter of personal taste. I tend t find PMs more intrusive than comments in-thread, but other people would probably prefer to get a PM than a public scolding, and the advantage of PMing is at least that you can keep any resultant snits off the thread...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:12 / 11.01.04
I should like to point something out. As someone with no moderation powers whatsoever in Headshop I have no responsibility as a moderator. Thus if I want to tell someone that their post is a pile of toss I feel that I'm justified to do so especially if it's not only clear that they haven't read anything but they also admit it openly. I can question them because I think their post belongs in a rubbish bin. Every post is a reply to the thread and the form of discussion on barbelith- the format that the board allows is that of an ongoing conversation making everything relevant to your own post to some extent- so not reading a thread in Headshop where the structure is particularly important is frankly unacceptable. I have a right to say this to the person because I too am referring to the entire thread and any post I see fit to refer to.
 
 
Seth
19:47 / 11.01.04
really, seth?
that sounds a bit wierd.


No, not really. I just thought it was funny. Y'know, like the fact white dog shit mysteriously disappeared from our streets. I kinda know why, but it's still pretty funny.

Actually, it probably has happened, but my failure to remember any specific instances is fairly indicative of the deep impact it had in my life.

Oh, no. There was that time I posted a brilliantly concise definition of Magic, only to have a couple of fuckers pat themselves on the back for writing several paragraphs of waffle reiterating what I'd said, without acknowledging how fucking great my post was. Bastards.

Heh. I wrote "deep impact."
 
 
Char Aina
14:38 / 12.01.04
sorry haus, i should know how upset you get when i try to make jokes when serious mattewrs are being discussed.
won't happen again, unless i forget. which i will try not to.


and i think i may have made myself less clear than i would like over this.

To be honest though, I think all this guff about people with the "special need" to jump into a discussion and start giving their opinion on that discussion without having first familiarised themself with it in any way is irrelevant.

i'm not asking for a special needs pass to the headshop to be issued to anyone, or even for the place to be dumbed down. i was merely suggesting that when one says a thing is easy, it is probably a fair point to mention that it is only that easy for those as able or proficient as oneself.
all i would like is for folks to try to remember that when you tell people their contirbutions are repetitious and therefore worthless.

and please, please please, lets stop focusing on the learning difficulties?
i brought it up, yes, but i was not intending to make this thread into "what about better access for dyslexic headshoppers?". it seems like that was the understood message, and i really, really wish it wasnt.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:21 / 19.01.04
Here's another example, again in the Head Shop:

"Christ, I'm not reading all this. Sorry if I step on anyone's toes, but I have an interesting perspective on all this."

I mean, it's not about stepping on anyone's toes, is it? It's just that why on earth should we find Vladimir's perspective "interesting" with regard that to the thread, when he clearly has no interest in the perspectives that have already been expressed?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
09:07 / 19.01.04
Actually I thought that post was relevant to the thread and he makes it clear that he's read through some of it. His perspective is interesting even if it's not to your taste. So do you think you could lighten up please? I haven't read the entire Whiteness thread either and I think it's ludicrous to assume that people must read every post before replying to a thread. I'm sure you don't go through a four page thread with a fine toothcomb before replying and if you do then frankly you're wrong in the head. Stop picking on people.
 
 
Char Aina
11:59 / 19.01.04
go anna.

it's like turning up to the pub ten minutes late and being told to shut up because story about you and the three transexual strippers taking mescalin last night might cover ground that had already been.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:04 / 19.01.04
It really isn't.

Look, this is Message Board Etiquette 101. You read a thread before posting to it. It's simple stuff. I can't believe that it's even a fucking issue.

Only on Barbelith.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:35 / 19.01.04
That's not really what I was saying Toksik, I just think it's absurd that someone can't post something relevant when they haven't read the thread closely. I think Vladimir's post was okay because he clearly had been through some parts of the thread if not all of it. The sentence that Flyboy quotes might seem flippant but from the content of the post he was quite clearly excusing himself in case someone had addressed the Eastern European point (emphasised earlier by a couple of people) in the pages between the first and forth and he'd missed it. It's message board etiquette to excuse yourself if you've missed something... some people don't have time to trawl through pages and pages but do pick up something they want to address and they should be allowed to. His specific post was in tune with the thread and thus either Flyboy's the one not reading the thread (unlikely) or Fly's putting too much store in one sentence someone put at the top of a post. We never call him in to question for taking one part of a post above the rest so why should he be allowed to call Vladimir in to question? I think he's being fucking cheeky, I think he's ignoring the actual relevance of a post.

I'm so in the doghouse.
 
 
Char Aina
23:28 / 19.01.04
I just think it's absurd that someone can't post something relevant when they haven't read the thread closely

i know.
my post was meant to suggest that i thought the same.
apologies for any confusion.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
17:15 / 20.01.04
I haven't read this thread so I don't know if somebody has already used this joke or not - hope I'm not stepping on anyone's toes!
 
 
Cat Chant
18:24 / 20.01.04
At the risk of driving this heinous practice underground and forcing those who practice it into shameful, humiliating, soul-destroying silence about their lack of reading time...

can I point out that none of the mods has enough time to quiz every poster on the contents of every thread they post to to ensure they've read it? And thus the issue becomes, at least partly, one of courtesy? Me, I put quite a lot of time and thought into the Whiteness thread, hoping that it would be of some value to some people who read barbelith - because otherwise what is the fucking point of posting anything - and someone posting "Christ, I'm not reading all this" is just... rude. Isn't it?
 
  

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