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New New X-Men artist announced?

 
  

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Mister Six, whom all the girls
14:01 / 31.12.03
From Lying in the Gutters at comicbookresources.com:
12/29/03
"Oh yes, I've had John Cassaday confirmed as the new artist for "New X-Men." Apparently he'll be drawing "Planetary" and "New X-Men" concurrently. With Warren Ellis three scripts ahead of John, looks like "Planetary" fans are in for an even longer wait... "
 
 
FinderWolf
14:43 / 31.12.03
Hey, if Cassaday really is the new X-MEN artist (apparently it won't be called NEW X-MEN once Morrison leaves), that's fantastic. As long as he can keep it on schedule.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
20:00 / 01.01.04
Johnston has more or less confirmed the rumour on Nick Locking's forum and - proven true - it may be one of the several reasons that made Warren Ellis even grimmer lately.
 
 
perceval
21:10 / 01.01.04

Well, that clinches it, then. Warren's the new NXM writer

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H3ct0r L1m4
04:45 / 03.01.04
from Ellis' mail list:

--------

[BAD SIGNAL]X-Thing

bad signal
WARREN ELLIS

Since I let you know I'm no longer exclusive to DC, I've
received a zillion emails that all read pretty much the
same. So much so that I suspect collusion among the class.
The basic model reads: "Are you going to take over NEWXMEN
after Grant, and what would you do with it?"

Well, I'm not. And putting in three or four years on any
company-owned book is not exactly my gameplan. Although, you
know, the gameplan is changing all the time. These are weird
days for comics, and I may talk about that soonish. Plus,
well, I've been in the X-Office before, and the idea of all
that continuity and soap-opera and group coordination is just
a nightmare, one I lived through. The time I spent on EXCALIBUR
was one of my least favourite experiences in comics.

As to what I'd do... well. Imagine a big lecture hall full
of mutant kids, tricked out with holographic projectors
creating CG imagery around the speaker -- I've only read a
few of Grant's issues, but let's say it's Emma Frost and
assume he didn't kill her or turn her into a hat and a pipe
or something. Imagine a lecture:


###

You're not different.

The world has spent forty years telling you you're different.
Some of your own teachers have doubtless told you that you're
different, with the best of intentions.

But you are not different.

You are new.

Yes, you are mutants. But so are the Basque people of Spain.
Did you know that?

They have a gene that protects them against heart disease.
It is a gene that no other people have.

That, by definition, makes them mutants.

Do people without that gene go to the Basque region with
pitchforks and torches? Do people seek to outlaw them?

Have people, in fact, designed and constructed giant robots
to hunt and kill the Basque populace?

No.

They are simply part of the human genestream.

The genestream is the human torpedo, fired out of Africa at
the dawn of intelligent life.

Think of it as a contrail, shooting out of the past as
roaring into the future.

It curls around the world, thickening as it gathers pace. The
African human is part of the genestream. The Ainu, the Inuit,
the Caucasian, the Sumerian. The Basque. All of these are
part of the human genestream, powering forward into future time.

And at the front of the genestream is us.

The human warhead of the evolutionary missile.

Some people have called us Homo Superior, which is supposed to
mean superior human, superhuman.

That's crap.

Our genus is in fact Homo Novus. We are, quite simply,
New Humans.

You are not different. You are simply new.

The people who don't like you have a name, too. Neophobes.
Those who fear and hate the new. And I bring good news.

Neophobes die early.

It's true. A recent scientific study shows that neophobes
experience such stress when in the presence of the new that
it signficantly shortens their lifespans.

By hating you, they're killing themselves.

By now, I'm sure most of you have spotted the fatal flaw in
my Basque analogy. The Basques look like every other
standard-issue human on the face of the planet, and you don't.

Many of you, I'm glad to say, do not look like standard-issue
Homo Sapiens. And that, you believe, is why the outside world
does not accept you.

I have good news on that score, too. I'm just a little ray of
sunshine today, aren't I?

All you have to do is look out the window.

Look at your human peers, the teens and twentysomethings.

They're twisting themselves into something other than
standard-issue human.

They're changing themselves, with piercings and brandings,
and implantations and surgeries.

There's a surging body modification movement full of people
sinking feathers into their backs with hooks to make wings,
and splitting their tongues in two, and connecting extra arms
to their nervous systems.

Do you know why they're doing that?

Because they want to be you.

They want to be new humans.

They are testing the absolute boandaries of their own bodies
because they want to become what you are naturally.

There's a word for them, too. Neophiles. People who embrace
the new. And they live longer.

You think you're never going to be accepted? Look out the
window. The current generation of the previous model of human
is cutting itself to bits to try and be mutants.

They want to be you because you break all the rules they
hate just by existing.

Every last one of you is a subversive icon. Every last one of
you is a genetic superstar.

You are the genestream A-list, blasting the world into
the future.

And everywhere you go, you make the world new again.

###

(C) Warren Ellis 2003 All Rights Reserved

----

though he has played with people's expectations before.
 
 
KwendeCentral
10:26 / 03.01.04
....well duuuhhh....

At least we know something amazing COULD be done with the series after this is over...*siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh*...
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
11:14 / 03.01.04
I could hardly bare to read any of that, what utter bollocks! Thank fuck ellis isn't doing it I say.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
11:57 / 03.01.04
I agree... I thought his little "speech" was meant to be sarcastic to be honest. I don't think Ellis has any love for the X-books and it shows.
 
 
kid entropy
14:16 / 03.01.04
well ,he loves the new,which he probably had to relearn thru all his humbug,so kudos.he also loves big 'heartstopping''bring down the stunning hammer'style speeches.and they sound the same from any characters mouth,be it emma or spider.i wonder sometimes if a new writing combination should be tried,or tried more often anyway.there's the ideaboy ,who provides the connections,new combinationsand idea latching onto next idea,continuous refinement etc....and a storyteller to soften the edges.to dilute in aid of enjoyment.many ideaboys can't be bothered fleshing it all out anyway.even in planetary ellis seems sick of it.he'll just throw down a big secret and let everything else just tumble around it.many gripe about morrison just having idea diarrhea,and then throwing the ideas away without due nurturing.i'm aware that there exists many different gradations in high literature,visionary,poet,novelist,and in comics there's plotters and script,just saying it looks like time for more active experiments in this direction.
 
 
Krug
17:30 / 03.01.04
That was an awful speech. Ellis isn't really a better choice than say Austen.

I suspect the writer may be Brian Bendis.
 
 
Lugue
18:05 / 03.01.04
Hmmm...

There is nothing Emma-ish about it, true; it could come out of just about anybody's mouth, and I can't really say that it would have any sort of important effect on the characters, but the idea of being ahead instead of off to the side, to put it simply, works. Still, it is in no way new: Homo Novus pretty much suggests superiority over others, as does Homo Superior, so, what is supposed to be a speech that made the students rethink their surroundings and feel better about themselves ends up feeling like old ideas being presented with new flare.

There IS something interesting here, though: the idea that mutants are new and not different suggests that they would eventually become "old", and would most likely have a similar response to the emergence (?) of this new species; some would embrace and even imitate it, others would hate it. This might have led into a "think about how YOU felt in their shoes" situation which could turn out to be pretty interesting.

So... I'd like to have seen someone playing with this idea. Though I guess it certainly won't be Ellis.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:26 / 03.01.04
The idea that mutants are new, you say? Like, the next step in evolution? Wow, it would be great if someone used that idea! Because God knows it was never in anything Chris Claremont, Grant Morrison or Bryan Singer ever did, was it?

Christ.
 
 
Mike-O
11:59 / 04.01.04
HAHAHAHAHAHAH.....
 
 
Lugue
13:37 / 04.01.04
Huuummm...
No.

The idea that they will eventually become old, instead of eternally being untouchable demi-gods, and their confrontation with a more powerful "breed" or whatever they are these days. The idea that the comfy "We are "special"" status that they've had for so long and that is most likely on a personal level very important to them is put in question by something New-eeer than them. This would allow for an interesting twist, in that we might see the mutants for the first time persecute a minority instead of being the poor, hated little things they are. Except for those of fight the weaker majority that has been around all along.

So far, mutants haven't been presented has the next step. They have been presented as the LAST step. Though the idea of something ahead of mutants has been around, mutant reaction to what would come after them hasn't been explored. Unless, I'm entirely missing some story, character or series on the subject (if I am, enlighten me. As long as you don't bitchslap me. )

Try and get my point and THEN disagree and be as sarcastic as you like, okay Flyboy?
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
15:28 / 04.01.04
Ellis is the worst offender of telling instead of showing. I very much enjoyed Transmet up until I realized 90% of it was going to be Spider 'tellin me how it is' every month. Ellis has done some fantastic work, but I truly think he has no idea what his strengths are. He needs someone with a ruler to stand behind him and whack him on the shoulder every time he goes off on a rant through a character. But then his output would be 13% of what it has been.

I digress.

The X-Men were refered to in the Kirby/Lee issues as the next step, so I'm not clear on what quen is on about as far as this being a new idea.

Either way, Cassaday being the new artist is a definite reason to pick this up. I doubt he'd work with just anyone. Besides, the reason Planetary is late is all Ellis, not John.

On that note, where is his Jeff Buckley bio-comic???
 
 
moriarty
16:45 / 04.01.04
What I understood quen to mean is that if mutants are the next step in evolution, then who is the next step after them, and how would the mutants react when placed in the same situation homo sapiens are in now, that of being replaced?

I was convinced that the first Morrison story arc was going to be about this topic. I'm not sure if it was implied in the storyline or mentioned here and I'm just imagining it, though.

It reminds me of this horror novel I read just a few weeks ago, where the majority of humankind starts slaughtering the rest for almost no reason. The people being targeted believe that it must be chemical warfare, alien mind control, or any number of possiblities, but it turns out that those people doing the killing have made a leap in evolution. One of the side effects is that they now have an uncontrollable hatred of the "other", that is, those who did not go forward in evolution with them, and are forced by nature to kill their own loved ones. The people who did not evolve eventually join forces and try to fight back. One of the things that didn't come up was having homo sapien question whether they had a right to try and change the course of nature, even if it meant their own extinction.

While under this mistaken belief during the E is for Extinction story arc, I actually felt for Cassandra Nova. The X-Mens' view of her as a monster ran parallel to homo sapiens' view of homo superior as monster. We, and the X-Men, were placed in the position of the average person in the Marvel Universe who does not understand the motivation of this new species sent to replace them.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
16:50 / 04.01.04
That whole "what comes after mutants" has been covered by quite a few writers... notably the Neo (ugh) and CC's last stab at Uncanny. What comes after mutants? More bloody mutants obviously.
 
 
Lugue
17:25 / 04.01.04
I've realized what makes what I've said pointless and unrelated. I apologize for that. Let me try to get this through:

We've been told more than once that mutants are the next step, yes, but so far, there has been little reference to the continuation of evolution through and beyond mutants, it seems as if evolution is somewhat stagnated: the mutants are here, this is how they are. Period. Ellis' emphasis on "genestream" and Homo Novus (new, not different; ahead, not, as it now seems, off to the side) made me think of what would come next (please, don't even mention the Neo. They were so poorly conceived and explained I hardly see how they can be considered anything but a tribe with some special skills).

So, Ellis way of putting things made me think a bit about what would come next and how mutants would react to it, in paralell to the way humans react to mutants. I guess I should have just said "this makes me think about..." instead of immediately writing what popped to my mind. I'm sorry

For who knows how long mutants have been treated more as an ethnic minority than an actual species ahead of humans, like I said, off to the side but not necessarily ahead, and I'm glad these ideas have come back to the X-Men. Moriarty, I get what you say about Cassandra, initially she as supposed to be the next step in evolution, and if she indeed was, it could have led to some interesting stuff. Only... she wasn't. Pity (though I still enjoyed the mummudrai concept).

Am I making myself clear with all this? I keep saying the same things and the only thing people take out of it is the fact I say mutants are the next, and keep saying that's been done
 
 
Mike-O
19:34 / 04.01.04
Didn't CC try that concept again in Xtreme, with Vargas or whatever his name was? quen I'm not trying to be a dick right now, no worries... I get what your at with this, and yeah I think it would definitely be worth reading about (it would certainly alter how the X-Men and mutants as a whole exist in the MU if fully realized). But I do see that writers (or at least Claremont) have made various unimpressive stabs at the concept b4 as well... hence, skepticism. But very cool notion, none the less.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:34 / 04.01.04
So far, mutants haven't been presented has the next step. They have been presented as the LAST step. Though the idea of something ahead of mutants has been around, mutant reaction to what would come after them hasn't been explored.

This is totally wrong. Chris Claremont was the first to explore this, most notably upon his return to the X-Men prior to the hiring of Grant Morrison. I don't blame anyone for not reading those comics because they are very much the nadir of Claremont's career with the X-Men, but he did have a year long storyline about a whole species of creatures who were popping up who were supposed to be the next step in evolution after the mutants. They were called The Neo.

Morrison has flirted with this idea too both in E Is For Extinction and in Here Comes Tomorrow. However, the fact of the matter is, if you introduce a third species to contend with the mutants and humans, the central conflict of the X-Men is warped, and mutants are no longer special and different, which is the whole fucking point of them and the franchise. It may be a logical conclusion, but in terms of keeping the integrity of the concept/franchise, it changes everything too much and may as well be a different thing altogether.
 
 
moriarty
20:50 / 04.01.04
I'm with quen. One of the things I always liked about the X-men was the possiblity of real, permanent change, something which very rarely seems to happen. Instead, Marvel seems to have mastered the art of keeping the status quo while changing things just enough to give the illusion of progression.

Yes, others have tried this idea and it's fallen to the wayside. This is no doubt a result of the reasons Flux spells out. But just because it hasn't worked in the past, with what are no doubt major obstacles in retaining continuity throughout the entire Marvel Universe, doesn't mean it couldn't be done well in the right hands. After all, just how many poorly-executed ideas has Morrison refurbished with success in his run?

Introducing the next step in evolution wouldn't make homo superior any less special or different. It could be handled as a hidden menace, gradually revealed to only a few people, including the X-Men. My interest in something like this would be in placing the X-Men in the moral dilemna of dealing with people who are compelled against their will to replace them through violent means, as if Nature has grown tired of waiting for homo superior to talk humankind into extinction. Would they seek out and imprison or terminate this species as they appear? Would they track them and create a database of potential threats? Would they co-operate with the human population, or keep them in the dark? Would humankind be able to tell the difference between the two species, and would they care? How would individual members of the mutant community feel about the situation?

And, yes, I realize that there is no way in Hell such a thing would ever happen, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't pick up my first X-men comic in nearly ten years if it was done well.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
03:55 / 05.01.04
guys, guys, I don't know...

I hate to castrate anybody but sometimes... we all just look like a cooler-looking Comicon/Newsarama message board.
 
 
perceval
05:20 / 05.01.04

So, we speculate and throw ideas around. Nothing wrong with that. It's fun.

In Claremont's defense, it should be pointed out that, during Revolution, only the first issue of each book was what CC had in mind. Harras was still EIC at the time, and jumped in and did his usual stomping all over everything a month into the whole thing. You'll notice the first issue of both New and Uncanny when Claremont returned had all kinds of things that were just dropped, immediately. So, we'll never know what the Neo were actually going to be.

Warning: Lots of continuity, here, or is it "super consistancy"?...

We also know where the species in the MU is going, eventually. That was established during the Roy Thomas/Neal Adams run of Avengers in the early 70s, during the Kree-Skrull War (pretty well the definitive comic book space opera storyline). It ended with the Supreme Intellegence briefly awakening the species's genetic potential in Rick Jones, who stopped both Galactic Empires with a thought. So, the next step beyond the current mutants are cosmically aware, hugely powerful, psis, which I suppose puts Jean ahead of everybody else on the evolutionary scale (and was Thomas's explanation for why all these aliens and cosmic beings show up on this little primitive mudball. They know where it's all going). From there (at least according to what Eternity showed Jean during X-Men Forever) the species eventually BECOMES Eternity, when it's time to end this Universe and start the new cycle.

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I'm Rick Jones, bitch
10:43 / 05.01.04
The problem is, with marvel mutants having do apparent common feature besides an "X-Gene", (WTF) which convieniently gives them random, marketable powers, any creative team is going to have to try damn hard to make something that stands out as unique, and not just another fucking silly mutant with a weird look/power. And as we've seen, that's pretty fucking difficult.

It's a nice idea, though.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
10:46 / 05.01.04
PS to get back on topic, ellis is still shit
 
 
Lugue
11:56 / 05.01.04
Well, good to see not everyone completely disagrees with me

[B][I]This is totally wrong. Chris Claremont was the first to explore this, most notably upon his return to the X-Men prior to the hiring of Grant Morrison. I don't blame anyone for not reading those comics because they are very much the nadir of Claremont's career with the X-Men, but he did have a year long storyline about a whole species of creatures who were popping up who were supposed to be the next step in evolution after the mutants. They were called The Neo.
[/I][/B]

Okay, so idependently of the quality of said books, what exactly in CC's Neo stories deals with mutants' reaction to the Neo? I have quite a few Neo stories (more than I'd like to be honest) and from what I read, all I can say about the Neo is that they're a tribe with special skills who because of what they've suffered choose to attack mutants. Where do we get how the mutants react to the Neo as the next step in evolution? And I'm not talking about "they're more powerful than us", I'm talking about "they're here to replace us", the same way mutants will supposedly replace humans.

I have to make this clear: my point is NOT that we haven't seen and should be seeing the next step in evolution, this has happened. What would interest me is the reaction to mutants to it. Moriarty, that wasn't what I had in mind (not that it matters) but those are some interesting ideas...

I see the potential here. Maybe I'm wrong and this could have never led anywhere.. Maybe I'm not.

Perceval, was that refered to as the last step in earth's evolution or the next? Just to see how it fits here.

This really is getting off topic :P
so...

I've only seen online previews of the guys work, and it looks great. Certainly wouldn't mind getting some of THAT every month
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:55 / 05.01.04
[geekout] The Destiny Force as it's been coined, is a manafestation of Humanity's potential full-filled. As started in the Kree-skrull war and revisited in Avengers Forever

This may mean someone like Jean Grey is just Waaaaay ahead of the evolutionary curve.

Perhaps "mutants" in the sence of X-gene positive (beast types) are a sort of variation along the evolutionary path, potentially closer to this "destiny force" (as indicated by jean Grey) but not nessarily guarenteed it. Consider also that Rick Jones is not X-gene positive but was still able to access this "power" with a little help. [/geekout]
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:03 / 05.01.04
novus homo, of course, is a term used to describe people from outside the traditional patriarchal families who, through loosening social boundaries and their own skills elevated themselves into positions of seniority, most notably in Rome in the first century BC.

I do rather wish that one day Ellis will look up one of those shiny terms he likes to dazzle with...

Oddly enough, barring the stodgy writing, this speech seems to touch on a number of elements Morrison has dealt with, more or less competently, in his run of X-Men.

Incidentally, speaking of Ellis' run on Excalibur (which I maintain contained some of his best work) and involvement with the X-books, is it likely that he would be invited back? He showed good form on ensemble books with the Authority and Stormwatch, but his record with the Counter-X books (2 cancelled, 1 revamped entirely with a new premise and shortly thereafter renamed) doesn't exactly inspire confidence; what's the story on that? Was it a last-ditch attempt to save dying books, or an equally last-ditch attempt to bump up sales before reaching a preordained cancellation date?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
22:08 / 05.01.04
so cassaday on art and joss whedon to script.

but we wait a year after gm's last script.

so meanwhile, gaiman and milligan do a 6 month fillers each. (maybe)

from LITG
 
 
doyoufeelloved
22:14 / 05.01.04
Ellis' Counter-X book concepts (remember, he didn't write them; he just picked the creative teams and gave them a first-arc plot and a manifesto to play with) did, actually, succeed in jacking up the sales of all the books involved; of course, nothing about that changed the fact that the books in question had no real reason to exist. They got cancelled because they were cluttering up the X-Men line, and the Marvel zeitgeist (for that month, anyway) was "simplify." Of course now that we have a MYSTIQUE ongoing series, the brand is nice and strong and not diluted at aaaaallllll.

X-MAN was in dire need of disappearing, IMHO, but GENERATION X, uninspired as it often was, was a workable concept. X-FORCE was always just adequate and is leagues better as X-STATIX, Diana fiasco notwithstanding...

Anyway. I like Cassaday a whole lot -- the most recent issues of PLANETARY have been absolutely stunning -- but I wonder if he's really the right choice for X-MEN, since he's not an action artist in the traditional sense. I like his action sequences in PLANETARY, but that's because Ellis writes them to emphasize the freeze-frame beauty of Cassaday's art; he's not really a kinetic or visceral artist. Depending on what tack the new writer takes, that could work, but it could also be a big mistake.

And really, I don't quite understand why everyone shitcans Ellis so much around here. (I know, I know, I'm a new kid.) He's very often lazy as a writer, and he can't keep to schedules, and TRANSMET ended with a whimper -- all true. Nor does he switch up his themes that much. (Man, I am making my case, ain't I?) But when he's on in his particular style, he is ON... the many highlights of TRANSMET's first three years can testify to that. He's not exactly truly great, but he can be pretty damn good.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:11 / 06.01.04
Sucks to wait a whole year for Whedon's first ish - that means that we won't get a Whedon-written X-Men until about Feb. 2005?? Awwww. But it is amazing that Joey Q. got Joss at all, so I gotta give him props for that. That should give Cassaday a good long time to draw the first few issues and get 'em in the can.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:11 / 06.01.04
yes and the year long gap allows others to tamper with Grant's run and let Whedon be considered afresh, suitably far away from the morrissonian afterglow.
 
 
diz
14:16 / 06.01.04
He's not exactly truly great, but he can be pretty damn good.

i think one of the reasons he gets bashed so much around here is that many people do consider him "truly great," whereas, as you say, he's not. in a word, he's overrated, and i think people here like taking him down a few pegs.

the fact that he seems to believe his own hype probably doesn't help.

speaking of overrated ... so it's Joss, then? meh. worth checking out, but i don't have high hopes. creaatively speaking, of course - i think it will do wonders for sales.
 
 
doyoufeelloved
14:36 / 06.01.04
A YEAR?!?

Wow. So what the hell happens in the meantime? This was a really, really, really poor move, IMHO... depending on what happens in the intervening period, NXM could post a disastrous sales loss if everyone knows the "real" writer isn't going to show up for a while. That rumored Gaiman/Milligan fill-in idea would've prevented that, but since it seems to be patently untrue (Gaiman has been vocally, strenuously denying any involvement with the X-Men for months), does this leave us with Chuck Austen or something? You would think Marvel would've made a point of reassuring us that yes, somebody will, in fact, be writing the comic in three months' time, especially considering that they must already have those scripts in hand...

I think I like the idea of Joss Whedon writing, but I don't like the idea of wasting an entire year of the title for him.
 
 
PatrickMM
15:07 / 06.01.04
The year wait is not good, but it's Joss Whedon on X-Men! I'm watching Buffy through for the first time, up to the middle of season six, and the show has been moving closer and closer to essentially being X-Men. Right now, he's got what is basically Dark Phoenix going on, and is doing it really well. I think Joss has the respect for characters that marks the best X-Men. Grant's run works because he seems to really care about the characters, and their progression. I think he'll take it in a slightly different direction than Grant, but it still should be amazing.

And, then to throw Cassaday in on top of that. His art on Planetary is some of the best stuff out there, and his X-Men should impress.

I assume what happened backstage at Marvel was, Joe Q was on Whedon a lot to get him to write the book, and, being a fan of Planetary (Whedon wrote the intro to the second trade), he agreed, but only if Cassaday would be on art. And, once they dropped the large amount of money to get Cassaday, Whedon was secure.
 
  

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