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Did Grant Morrison Invent Eastenders?

 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:41 / 30.12.03
Over the Christmas period I found myself watching Eastenders, and it occurred to me that the current writers of the show may owe a significant debt to the works of Grant Morrison, and in particular The Invisibles. I know this may seem unlikely to seem of you, but if one considers the way in which the shallow pond of vacuous mainstream popular culture is often fed by the rich, fibrant, vertile river of comic books, and the fact that by now, every person under the age of 73 in the UK has read the Invisibles (apart from evil conformists and blind people), it is actually highly plausible.

Consider the evidence:

Firstly, Eastenders is set in London, England. Large parts of The Invisibles are set in and around London, a city which Grant Morrison helped make "cool" during the last decade.

Alfie Moon - the Moonchild? Alfie runs the Queen Vic pub, so there is a connection to the Royal Family. Shane Ritchie bears some physical resemblance to Mason from The Invisibles, however in personality Alfie arguably resembles King Mob, with his quick, irreverent wit. He also wears a leather jacket on occasion. When Alfie was first introduced, he impersonated a Mr Wright (or "Mr Right" - do you see? Names are important...) in order to get the job of landlord of the Vic - a job which he now continues to do even though his identity was unmasked - thus the "fictionsuit" which he took on has become "real".

Phil Mitchell: a bald man with no hair on his head, who is often prone to acts of violence. A King Mob analogue? Phil had a brother, Grant, who resembled King Mob even more, and he also has a friend/accomplice who goes by the name 'Minty' (no doubt a reference to the arty band of the mid-Nineties of whom I am sure Morrison was a fan). Last week, after Phil escaped police custody, the Police believed they had apprehended him but it turned out to be Minty, impersonating his friend. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Yes, that's right, it is point for point almost exactly the same as the 'sting' in Black Science II.

Other points of similarity: there are five Slater 'sisters', the exact number required for a cell. Kat Slater has suffered a miscarriage, just like Edie, and Little Mo has been raped, just like Fanny. Also, consider the return of Dirty Den, back from the dead, re-emerging into the linear continuity of Eastenders reality at a later point to that at which he left, just like John A Dreams. Den's description of his immersion in the canal make it clear that this is a death and rebirth experience with strong magical properties.

I think we have another 'Matrix' on our hands.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
11:55 / 30.12.03
Dude. Have a lie down. It's OK. We'll... get you help.
 
 
Sax
12:05 / 30.12.03
I think Fly's on to something big.

For example, Barry Evans bears an uncanny resemblance to Lord Fanny of 2012, sans the blonde wig.

Martin Fowler was sentenced for his juvenile delinquency to a Harmony House-style institution from whence he emerged a productive, co-operative and *nice* member of society.

Phil Mitchell's garage The Arches has long been a place of power in Walford, and could be said to be the anti-Queen Victoria - the place where dark dealings and black passions are often played out. And it sounds like Archons.
 
 
_pin
12:09 / 30.12.03
Fly? Both how hard do yr relatives suck, and whya re you still pretending you don't watch this show ALL THE TIME?
 
 
The Falcon
12:51 / 30.12.03
Peter Milligan wrote some of Crossroads, you know.

No-one seems as impressed by this fact as me.
 
 
Rev. Orr
21:07 / 30.12.03
Now if Spike Milligan had written Crossroads...
 
 
rizla mission
10:52 / 31.12.03
Being as I am immune to the temptations of the inspid lake of despair that is evil mainstream consumer culture, naturally I only know of this so-called 'Eastenders' via the occasional mumblings of the pathetic brainwashed masses as they shamble past me in the joyless continuation of their grey, thoughtless lives, and so on and so forth. But nevertheless, I rate Flyboy's little confection Highly Chucklesome!
 
 
Sax
11:03 / 31.12.03
Apparently (according to Brewer's)Walford is a modern corruption of Wassail Ford and in pagan times was a place with a river (probably a tributary of the Thames, now an underground stream) running through it where Druids used to celebrate the Yule festivities with human sacrifice. The bodies were thrown into the shallows until the ford ran red and the tribal chief was able to cross on a "bridge of blood" to let in the New Year.
 
 
adamswish
16:17 / 31.12.03
Fly is onto something, just a few years too late I'm afraid.

The 'Enders actually did a full on "Invisibles" style episode which I happened to catch (thinks of an excuse, oh sod it I was flicking channels ).

It was the big show down between Steve Owen and that Matthew who got sent to prison for the murder Mr Owen actually committed.

Just the two of them (going on memory here) in the club. Steve tied to a chair while Matthew went about a very good phyisiclogical (sic) torture.

Pouring "petrol" on Steve (it was actually water), showing him a blouse with a blood stain which "was from Steve's sister who Matthew had dealt with earlier" (she was fine and unharmed).

All ended with the big hard man club owner braking down and sobbing like a child only for Matthew to toss the lit zippo lighter and reveal the sham.

Put me in mind of a low-tech version of King Mob's interrigation (sic) by Sir Miles.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
20:57 / 01.01.04
Yes! Because Grant Morrison invented the concepts of:

a) interrogation and psychological torture

and

b) illusion, misdirection, etc!
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:18 / 01.01.04
Well many of you may not realise this but Morrison's actually about 1,000,000 years old. An immortal hefting a very large sword, he walks the streets at night in a big black coat and he did in fact invent psychological torture but alas not illusion. That was me.
 
 
uncle retrospective
21:19 / 01.01.04
Sorry Flyboy, but everybody knows Grant had nothing to do with Eastenders. It was James Brown, back in '78. He was all hopped up on goof balls and started yelling plots at passers by who quickly started jotting down the ideas, finaly, years later selling it to BBC.
Mister Brown, later on that same evening, way back in '78, invented fire.

I think you missed a meeting.
 
 
Dances with Gophers
21:40 / 01.01.04
Brown was actually an agent of the outer church. His mission was to pass on the Eastenders meme. It infected the BBC who were compelled into making the series, which has enslaved thousands of viewers who were compelled to watch every episode.
Initially this was only twice a week. Given the increase in the time eastenders is on the screen, analysists assess that by 2012 it will be on 24/7. Hence incapaciting a large swathe of the population, the resulting brain wave patterns enabling the archons to enter our world.
 
 
The Falcon
21:44 / 01.01.04
Fucking hell.

IT'S. ALL. TRUE.
 
 
uncle retrospective
21:49 / 01.01.04
Duncan, just pray you never know why there is the horror that is "Home & Away".

Lovecraft went mad when They explaned the plan to him.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
22:47 / 01.01.04
I always knew Alf was one of the Old Ones.
 
 
Rev. Orr
13:00 / 02.01.04
Suddenly the episode where he dies on the operating table and Ailsa shows him all the potential lives those around him might have if he doesn't return makes sense. I thought it was just a weak 'It's a Wonderful Life' rip-off, but now I see that he was, in fact warping through various realities and parallel dimensions guided by the avatar or imprinted ficsuit memory of his dead wife. It's all about the conscious choice being the most powerful determinator of reality. Ailsa is the manifestation of his hyper-aware race-memory contacting his conscious mind at the moment it disassociates from his physical body only for the revalation to force it back into a mundane four-dimentional existance. Alf's lizard-brain cannot cope with the vision and he slips back into his previous incarnation within the construct of Sunny-bay.

Maybe.
 
 
Shrug
16:51 / 02.01.04
And of course Bobby melting out of the fridge T2 style, still that's neither here nor there.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
02:17 / 03.01.04
Barry's inability to accept that Janine wasn't somehow in love with him even after she revealed her deception = a straight lift, almost word-for-word, from Ernt's inability to accept that Mister Xorn was a fiction. Grant should sue. Or we should sue on his behalf. After I've smoked this bowl. WOaagh.
 
 
■
18:07 / 03.01.04
**threadrot warning**
ARF!
**warning ends**

No, wait, that was so self-referential that Grant can sue me now! Ahhhh, but I am Grant. We all are, so that's OK.
 
 
Bed Head
23:52 / 03.01.04
Hmmm. I think you’re all talking about these silly soap-operas in a deliberate and co-ordinated attempt to obscure THE TRUTH about where Grant Morrison really stole the template for his popular comic book series ‘The Invisibles’ from.

Prisoner: Cell Block H has many similarities with The Invisibles, and not just because the main characters are, er, organised into cells. Certain direct comparisons can be made which cannot be dismissed as mere coincidence...

The story concerns small, tight-knit groups of rebel activists, quite literally trapped within a prison (or, if you will, the ‘black iron prison’ of the outer church), endlessly struggling against the oppressive forces of order who would rule their lives. These groups organise themselves in ways which mirror the elemental group structure in The Invisibles. As the series begins, Bea Smith, or ‘Queen Bea’, is quite plainly the inspiration for the later character of King Mob, and Frankie Doyle is equivalent to Dane McGowan: young, working class, er blonde, and so rebellious she even rebels against her fellow prisoners. There is also Chrissie Latham, who, aside from the fact that she is very obviously played by a male actor, is also a career prostitute who bears a close physical resemblance to the character of Fanny. And she hosts seances a couple of times, hinting at other ’witchy’ powers.

The guards in this ‘prison’ are also parallelled by later characters in The Invisibles comic. The governor, Mrs Davidson, has a haughty, aristocratic manner, and a photograph of the Queen on the wall of her office. She is quite obviously the inspiration for the ‘Sir Miles’ character. In her exchanges with the officers who are supposed to be working under her, it is often not altogether clear who holds the balance of power in this ‘prison’, or indeed exactly who they are working for. There is an occasional visitation from ‘The Minister’ who comes from outside the prison, just like an Archon.

Of the prison officers, Vera Bennett is equivalent to Miss Dyer. We don’t actually see the Governor suckling liquid nanomachines from her breasts, but the prisoners always refer to Ms Bennett as ‘Vinegar Tits’, so I consider that as being strongly implied. In later episodes in the series, Ms Bennett is replaced by Joan Ferguson, just like in series two of the Invisibles, Ms Dyer is replaced by Quimper. Ferguson is referred to as ‘The Freak’, and wears gloves, just like Quimper...

Er, I could go on but my head hurts.
 
 
The Falcon
17:15 / 04.01.04
Alf from Home and Away, when in Prisoner = the blind chessman.

I think we can all see it now.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:52 / 21.11.05
Anyone who saw the return of Grant Mitchell, now a smiling panto Batman in a shiny POP! leather jacket rather than a surly miserabilist crying tears of anguish in the rain, must recognise that my theories on this subject are more accurate and pertinent than ever.
 
 
w1rebaby
15:33 / 21.11.05
Having felt the shockwaves running back through time of you bumping this thread, I watched the stenders omnibus for the first time in about three years on Sunday, and if Wellard biting Ian Beale on the bottom wasn't a reference to Grant Morrison's amazing fourth-wall-breaking really-makes-you-think re-interpration of Legion of Super-Pets, I don't know what is.
 
 
sleazenation
16:21 / 21.11.05
but where does the late lamented big ron fit into this?
 
 
Earlier than I thought
17:44 / 21.11.05
Oh please. Tom O'Bedlam, surely. Stick a big old Santa beard on him and it's quite uncanny, in the right light (warning: "right" light in this context is damaging to human neurones).
 
  
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