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Char Aina
16:07 / 26.01.06
well, the uk definition, a warm garment you kids call a sweater, comes from the name for a garment called a 'jump'. it was a short coat commonly worn around the 17thC, according to this online etymology dictionary

...also "woman's under bodice," of uncertain origin, perhaps from Fr. jupe "skirt," which is ult. from Ar. jubbah "loose outer garment." Meaning "sleeveless dress worn over a blouse" first recorded Amer.Eng. 1939.

what other use would you be thinking of?
jumper as in one who jumps?
eytmonline suggests 'jump' may be onomatopoeic, and then goes on to give some other information.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
08:26 / 27.01.06
In the US, 'jumper' = 'pinafore', I think...
 
 
doozy floop
09:05 / 27.01.06
Indeed: a sleeveless, collarless dress, so they say.

Madness, if you ask me.
 
 
Smoothly
10:36 / 27.01.06
Am I right in thinking that this gesture

means nothing to Americans?
 
 
Jack Fear
11:43 / 27.01.06
Correct. The dude's holding up one too many fingers for it to be meaningful.
 
 
Sax
11:47 / 27.01.06
Agincourt, innit?
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
14:25 / 27.01.06
What about peace signs (same two-finger gesture but palm out)? Are those insulting in Britain?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:30 / 27.01.06
No - but they don't mean peace, necessarily, but also "victory" - Churchill used to do them.
 
 
Golias
23:40 / 27.01.06
Why do Americans drop the 'H' in Herb?
Why are there no 'roundabouts' on the roads in American films?
Are people from Canada 'American', in the same way that people from Scotland are 'European'?
I know lots of the states of America...do Americans know the countys/regions of England/Scotland?
Does the rest of the world think the British give a hoot(damn) about our royalty?

Is it true we Scots invented everything? (lol, ok maybe thats just us)

Cheers
Bob

PS-Great thread!I'm sure I'll think of a hundred more Q's that have confounded me for ages.

PPS-What TV programs (programmes) failed/succeded to cross the atlantic divide? I know 'Till Death do we Part' succeeded and 'Fawlty Towers'(sure there was more than one US remake ) and 'Married with Children' failed(anyone else see that one?Think it was Russ abbott as the Al Bundy?!)
 
 
lekvar
00:15 / 28.01.06
Roundabouts: We don't have very many of them, and US drivers, when faced with one for the first time, freeze up. I think it has something to do with the cooperative nature of the roundabout ("We're all in this together") that causes the average U.S. citizen to go vegetative. I know I did, the first time I saw one in D.C., and I've seen the same reaction in others since then. Actually, the average U.S. driver goes through something akin to the "five stages of dying," with two less steps: Denial, Anger, Acceptance.

Canadians: Canadians are Canadians. Or Canucks.
 
 
Smoothly
01:05 / 28.01.06
For a long time I didn't realise that roundabouts are a peculiarly European thing. It baffled me because they're such a clever solution to a common problem that I assumed they'd be used everywhere. Junctions that are self-regulating, free-flowing and don't require lights or signals. Magic.
 
 
Char Aina
01:26 / 28.01.06
on canadians;
i think what ganesh is looking for is north american. canadians and americans and mexicans are all north american as we british are european.
 
 
grant
18:28 / 30.01.06
Why do Americans drop the 'H' in Herb?

Brain damage.

Why are there no 'roundabouts' on the roads in American films?

Oddly, roundabouts seem to be catching on, but not in big cities -- only in smaller towns and new subdivisions. I think this might have to do with the slowness with which any public works project progresses here, such that no one would dare proposing the construction of a roundabout (traffic circle, we call 'em) in downtown LA or New York.

Are people from Canada 'American', in the same way that people from Scotland are 'European'?

As previously stated, North American. So, theoretically, are Mexicans, but I don't know how much traction that concept has with your average Mexican (who will get a fair amount of US culture via Univision and Telemundo, two Miami-based networks serving Latin America).

I know lots of the states of America...do Americans know the countys/regions of England/Scotland?

No. I barely know that York is north and Devon is south, and I'm more familiar than most Americans.

One thing I *have* noticed with lots of British (and, more generally, European) types is that there's this assumption that, Oh, I'm flying in to Miami, be around for a week with a rental car, what's the best way to pop over and look at Arizona?

The answer to which is, up I95 eight hours to I10, turn left and drive for three days -- leave now if you want to get back in time for your flight home.

Does the rest of the world think the British give a hoot(damn) about our royalty?

I think so, but I'm not really sure. Not having royalty in the States (officially, at least), I think there's some confusion as to what having royalty would entail.

Is it true we Scots invented everything? (lol, ok maybe thats just us)

Yes. If it's mechanical, at least. And marmalade.
 
 
Jack Fear
18:31 / 30.01.06
re: roundabout / traffic circle: You'be abviously never been to Massachusetts. All approaches to Cape Cod, and most approaches to Boston, involve passing through one of these monsters, which we Northern types call a rotary.
 
 
robertk
19:08 / 30.01.06
what is the dude up there doing with his fingers then? looks kinda threatening if you ask me..
 
 
Smoothly
19:33 / 30.01.06
Well, as Sax mentioned, the supposed origin of the two-fingered salute is the 100 Years war where the much-feared English archers would taunt the French lines with their bow fingers. So, yeah, it was supposed to be threatening in an 'I'm about to kill you with these' kinda way.

I'm surprised that it's not more widespread really. It's a much more comfortable shape to make than the index-cramping 'bird'.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
20:27 / 30.01.06
Which, for anyone unfamiliar with the term "bird", means sticking your middle finger up at someone. This means(according to schoolyard chums) "go fuck yourself".

How easy is it to give the two-fingered bird while driving? To you "point" it out the window at the offending person/s, or do you aim it at the image in your rear-view mirror? Is there a specifically British way of telling someone to go fuck themselves while one is driving?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:35 / 30.01.06
Roll down window. Bellow "You fucking fucker! You fucking fucker! Are you fucking insane?" Basically.

At high speeds, use the horn.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
20:39 / 30.01.06
Why do Englishpeople verbize their nouns and nounize their verbs when engaging in vulgarity, eg, "You've ballsed up this cocking Martini."?
 
 
sleazenation
20:41 / 30.01.06
Is there a specifically British way of telling someone to go fuck themselves while one is driving?

Yes, but only with a crowbar.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:47 / 30.01.06
Qalyn- because we cunting well can. And so can you! Try it. It's fun.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
20:50 / 30.01.06
Now you are adverbating a verbed noun. You people are insane.
 
 
doozy floop
21:02 / 30.01.06
On the subject of swearies, are there any good American naughty words that aren't so common over in the Britisher neck of the woods? I swear a lot at work and like to keep a varied vocabularly on the go.

Also, what to Americaners really have for breakfast? Because, on the tellyprogrammes, I see things like pancakes and syrup and eggs and ham all on the same plate, and waffles and cream and things - does anyone really eat that sort of thing, you know, at home in the morning?

Also, why do all American recipes that I find online include a can of something, most frequently a can of soup?
 
 
■
21:34 / 30.01.06
In addition to the bow-fingers thing, the reason it was a salute is that if an archer was taken prisoner those fingers would be sliced off. It was a defiance thing. It was round my neck of the butts, anyway.*

Is it true we Scots invented everything?
I would refer m'learned colleague in the direction of a recent episode of QI, in which Master Fry taught us that almost all those proud Scots inventions were bagged first. It's just no-one else but us wants to take the credit for thrombosis, carcinomas and bagpipe eardrum.


*Honest, we used to play in the Butts Woods as kids. Shitloads of old arrowheads.
 
 
■
21:39 / 30.01.06
Also, what to Americaners really have for breakfast?
In my experience it's either coffee and cigarettes or hyper-sugared cereal with more colours than you can possibly imagine. West coast probably do hand-knitted mung salad, though. Alphabits, how I miss you.
Yes, they do the bacon/syrup/gluten/egg thing. Not all the time, but now and then it's wonderful.
All the NYers I have ever met also somehow get up at 5 in the morning to be able to go to the gym and then do so. Just wrong.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
05:24 / 31.01.06
Also, what do Americaners really have for breakfast?

About three to six beers apeice and most of a veal shank.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
05:25 / 31.01.06
Cigarettes and coffee.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
05:27 / 31.01.06
Also, what to Americaners really have for breakfast? Because, on the tellyprogrammes, I see things like pancakes and syrup and eggs and ham all on the same plate, and waffles and cream and things - does anyone really eat that sort of thing, you know, at home in the morning?
That's some after the bars Denny's and Waffle House food, so it's kind of breakfast as it's in the early morning hours, but we usually go to bed shortly after that meal, so it's almost like late dinner.
 
 
Spaniel
07:54 / 31.01.06
Ibis, I just want to go over Jelly Babies again, as I really don't think they were described adequately.

Jelly Babies are not like yr modern chewy sweet in that they have a frosted sugar coating, and they're not plasticy in texture. Rather, they're a lot more similar to good quality turkish delight, but a bit softer. In terms of their flavour, they are fruity and quite sweet, but not particularly sour.

I don't like 'em much. Never have.
 
 
Loomis
08:01 / 31.01.06
Is there a specifically British way of telling someone to go fuck themselves while one is driving?

I find that running them down usually gets the message across.
 
 
Saveloy
08:27 / 31.01.06
Smoothly Weaving, re: two-fingered salute:

"I'm surprised that it's not more widespread really. It's a much more comfortable shape to make than the index-cramping 'bird'."

The bird is much more aggressive than the V, much harder; you ram it into position - ung! - and hold it there. It's a flagpole whacked firmly into the target's, um, psychic territory. The V is more "yah boo, sucks to you". It is not rammed, it is flicked - one imagines it being raised into position by a bored workman pulling on a rope - which makes it more of a dismissal than an assault. I suspect the aggression of the bird is what makes it more popular.

But when did the US version start being used in the UK? I don't remember seeing any before... hmmm... the late 80s? Maybe even the early 90s. Anyone else?
 
 
sleazenation
08:34 / 31.01.06
The V sign is a bit stronger than yah boo- at least in it's azincourt iteration it's we can kill you easily and you can't touch us.

However the bird certainly has a nasty subtext of rape...
 
 
Smoothly
08:51 / 31.01.06
Yes yes, I agree with Sav, the V and the finger are quite different gestures in my mind. I dislike the grunting, phallic aggression of the bird, and prefer the casual, playful nonchalance of the flicked V. Personal preference really. If I was a cockier, more aggressive sort of chap, I’d probably use the finger more, but I still think I’d want the other option. I can’t imagine doing without it entirely.
 
 
Olulabelle
09:10 / 31.01.06
Does anyone actually say Pot-ar-toe as in:

You say Tom-ay-toe, I say Tom-ar-toe
You say Pot-ay-toe, I say....

Or is it all just rhyming bollocks?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:17 / 31.01.06
I've never heard anyone say "potarto", from either side of the pond. If they did it would be quite hard not to smack them, really.
 
  

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