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Transgressive literature

 
 
lord nuneaton savage
11:34 / 22.12.03
Ah, my first thread and what a rum topic. Transgressive literature; the children of Burroughs, De Sade, Artaud and the Dadaists running wild, publishing nicely bound books full of desecration, madness, psycho-fecal lunacy and other sunday afternoon treats.

Actually defining what constitutes 'transgressive' literature seems to be a bit easier than I thought it would be, everyone who contributed to the Sotos thread seemed to get the point, but maybe a brief recap is called for.

Transgressive literature is a, mostly, 20th century phenomenon and seemed to spring up during the post-punk period. A lot of it seems like a hangover from the industrial scene of the early 80's with similar themes tackled (alienation, weird sex, the occult, destruction as creativity etc) although the way the different writers deal with these themes can be wildly different.

It is often experimental in form taking inspiration from the Burroughs/Gysin cut-up technique, and artaud's haunted rantings. As a 'scene' it is also hugely incenstuous; collaborations abound and a few publishing companies, which dedicate themselves to this sort of stuff, share the same writers (just check out how many small press publications feature articles on/writing by Stewart Home and you'll see my point).

A lot of people do see this stuff as juvenile and you can see their point with some of it, (although a lot of the more juvenile stuff is actually very enjoyable on it's own terms; I'm thinking in particular of people like James Havoc), however the more you get into this dark form of writing the more truly exceptional work you find.

Some recent discoveries of mine have included David Britton, who writes for Manchester's notorious Savoy Books, whose 'Motherfuckers' is one of the best responses to the holocaust I have ever read, scary, surreal and above all honest.
Kenji Siratori's 'Blood Electric' is a must for all fans of lethal, experimental prose, a delerious headfuck from page one.
Also worth a mention are Suehiro Maruo, Peter Sotos and, oddly enough, Jake Chapman, whose 'Meatphysics' is flawed but still worth a look.
To get more of an idea check out the Creation books website.

So there it is, do you have any experience of this stuff? Did you like it? hate it? think it's appeal is restricted to men who masturbate over Holocaust documentaries? I'd like to know your opinions...
 
 
HCE
20:35 / 05.01.04
"men who masturbate over Holocaust documentaries"

!! What a perfect description.

Who else counts? Kathy Acker? Juan Goytisolo? I will look into those you mentioned, are there othes?
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
11:21 / 06.01.04
Thank you, I was, ahem, rather proud of it myself...

Kathy Acker I would definitely define as transgressive (and what a blast of fresh air she is/was in a predominantly male dominated genre) as for Juan Goytisolo I've never heard of him/her what are they all about then?

At the risk of repeating something I said in the Peter Sotos thread the best things you can pick up are two series of books from either side of the pond. The British perspective is handled admirably by the (sadly deceased) Simon Dwyer in his excellent 'Rapid Eye' series which reached three books all of which were published by Creation press, if you can track these down you won't be dissapointed. In the states a chap known only as Vale has been editing the RE-search series for years now (there are some twenty odd volumes). Each of these focus on a particular topic (Body modification, JG Ballard, Industrial culture .etc) and all are worth reading.

As for specific authors there are several good and many bad ones. Stewart Home is always worth a read, specifically the two books he put out for AK Press; 'Red London' and 'No pity' which update the Richard Allen 'Skinhead' style using postmodern theory and ultra (funny) violence.
David Conway's 'Metal sushi' (published by Oneiros) is a very slick updating of the Lovecraftian mythos (although it's very poorly bound so careful it doesn't come to pieces in your hands).
There are loads more but my minds having a bit of a post-chrimbo black out at the moment, I'll add some more when I've got my bookcase in front of me.
 
 
Eppy
20:27 / 07.01.04
The RE/search volume on laughs/comedy/humor is fantastic--it has come up without fail in every academic examination of comedy I've been a party to in the last four years. The fact that they have to use a loose anthology/zine/whatever you want to call it as a key element of understanding comedy is a sad statement about the status comedy studies enjoys, but then again, maybe more informal publications are inherent to the discipline.

"Transgressive" literature is, of course, somewhat inaptly named--the mores it transgresses are rarely those of the final consumer of the prose but of some vision of the society at large. Plus, there's (relatively speaking) such few things left to transgress in the west that the pool of subjects is fairly predictable.

It's also probably important to note that almost all the consumers of the stuff you mention are going to be men. There are little pockets of transgression in certain other audiences--Stacey Richter and A.M. Holmes for more strictly literary folks (Holmes "The End of Alice" is really, really offensive), Pat Califia for lesbians, probably some gay authors I'm neglecting, etc.

Motherfuckers sounds pretty cool--Amazon doesn't want to give it to me for 1-2 months, and the Savoy website seems pretty UK-centric for a US order. Know a place to get it in a reasonable amount of time?

Would Mark Leyner count for all this?
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
11:19 / 08.01.04
I agree with your point about the 'transgressive' tag, as I mentioned in the Sotos thread I've never been a fan of that term. I also agree that the consumers of this stuff are mostly men, I don't have a reason for this perhaps someone else does?

Savoy are a pretty UK-centric company! But believe me 'Motherfuckers' is definitely worth waiting a couple of months for. Britton's latest 'Baptised in the blood of millions' is also a scorching read.

Umm, I really thought I knew this topic...who's Mark Leyner?
 
 
diz
05:17 / 09.01.04
what do you guys think of Romain Slocombe? specifically, i'm thinking of City of the Broken Dolls.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
14:45 / 09.01.04
Yeah, rate Slocombe ever since I read his 'Prisoner of the red army' comic book. I like the way the women always look full of life, on the mend. Trevor Brown is another western artist working in Japan. He's quite similar to the surrealist Hans Bellemer; disturbing adolescent sexuality beautifully rendered. Also Peter Whitehead (who deserves a thread all to himself) has a book out called 'Baby doll' which is similar in theme although far more LSD drenched.
 
 
HCE
14:43 / 10.01.04
This is an exciting thread, most of these names are new to me. Thank you.

Some information on Goytisolo.

(I'm reading "Juan the Landless" now and will post relevant excerpts as I come across them)

"Now in his late 60s, Goytisolo remains a marginal man, at least in America, because of his nervy depictions of homosexuality, elliptical Modernism, his mordant sense of history, and an unfashionable multiculturalism -- he knows and admires Islamic traditions. A self-exile from Franco's Spain, Goytisolo proffers a ferocious critique of power as oppression: his dialectical standoffs between West and East, European and Arab temperaments, waver between positing irreconcilable differences, the result of centuries of injustice and misunderstanding, and tantalizing intimations of cultural synthesis." - Bill Marx, Boston Globe (29/4/1999)
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
10:54 / 12.01.04
Wow, sounds really interesting I'll have to track some down. The description makes him sound similar to Pierre Guyotat, another Euro-gay-experimental type. Which of his books would you personally recommend?
 
 
bjacques
11:37 / 12.01.04
I read Exit magazine back in the '80s. It was interesting, but a lot of it was just hipster fantasy--or with, Lydia Lunch, anti-fantasy--but more of the same old power relations. As with humor, when it's aimed downward, it's just cruelty. Some of these guys, I just want to give Hothead Paisan their address. Hakim Bey nailed that gang pretty well, for aestheticising and intellectualizing *other* people's misery, mostly to show off.

I guess a more positive take on the transgressive "movement" would be a gleeful rebuttal by its members to what it saw as the hip left's desire to wish away the sharp corners of the world or at least the darker side of some Left icons.

But it seems like the most successful transgressive writers aren't consciously part of any transgressive "movement"--Burroughs wasn't a Beat either--but those whose ideas and style are weird enough that they can't help but be transgressive. Siratori and Goytisolo sound promising.
 
 
illmatic
07:54 / 13.01.04
Here's a review of Peter Sotos fanzine "Pure" from back in the 80s.

Curiously, as I clicked about to cut and past this, I opened another window to see a headline about the sucide of "Dr Death".
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
11:10 / 13.01.04
Like the Hakim Bey article a lot although I think the transgressive scene has moved on a bit since it was written. I think that people like Sotos, Boyd rice and others from the industrial '80's scene seem a bit dated now, y'know really PRE-millenial. Time for some new blood I think. People like Siratori are pushing the way forward; less grimy, more psychedelic-head-fuck material. I'll drink to that.
 
 
HCE
16:20 / 16.01.04
Recommended Goytisolo -- I would recommend 'Count Julian' but not personally as I haven't read it. I am on a strict diet vis a vis books: I am only allowed to buy inexpensive seconhand hardcover first editions, as I needed to impose some kind of rule to curb my spending. I was not able to find 'Count Julian' in a Lane translation, thus I am reading the other book, which is turning out to be far more lyrical and less transgressive than I had thought. It's quite lovely, I think.

I didn't see Alberto di Savinio's name mentioned -- he's one of those guys whose work I enjoyed reading when I was younger but seems to me to be too contrived, a bit of a deliberately-weird sham.
 
 
jamesPD
07:59 / 19.02.08
Couldn't find a Stewart Home specific thread, so I'll plonk this here. Post from Strange Attractor Blog.


Stewart Home events in London

Short notice I’m afraid, but SA contributor and underground literary legend Stewart Home has two live appearances in London this week:

20 FEBRUARY 2008
North Kensington Library 108 Ladbroke Grove, London W11 1PZ. 6pm. Free.
Stewart Home reads from and talks about his novels Memphis Underground, Tainted Love and 69 Things To Do With A Dead Princess. Advance ticket required: collect from Kensington and Chelsea libraries.

21 FEBRUARY 2008
176 Gallery, 176 Prince of Wales Road, London NW5 3PT. 7pm.

Stewart Home lecture: “Mondo Mythopoesis: Psychogeography after situationism. A talk emphasising the non-literary aspects of psychogeographic practice with a few asides about writer Iain Sinclair’s role in popularising the term.” More info
 
 
GogMickGog
07:36 / 21.02.08
Booked a place at the 176 tonight. I'll be the tweedy bastard.
 
 
The Idol Rich
08:14 / 21.02.08
Anyone ever read a book called Berg by Ann Quin? I understand it was one of Stewart Home's influences, particularly in 69 Things To Do With A Dead Princess (which I haven't read) but surely also on Memphis Underground which features a ventriloquists dummy as well.
Berg is famous for its first line

"A man called Berg, who changed his name to Greb, came to a seaside town intending to kill his father . . ."

which to my mind recalls Brighton Rock (but in reverse).
Ann Quin was in turn noticeably influenced by Alain Robbe-Grillet. Here's a synopsis anyway

"Against the backdrop of a gritty seaside town, an absurd and brutal plot develops involving three characters: Alistair Berg, his father and their mutual mistress. In his attempt to kill his father, Berg mutilates a ventriloquist's dummy, almost falls victim to his father's mistaken sexual advances and is relentlessly taunted by a group of tramps. Disturbing and at times startlingly comic, Berg chronicles the interrelations among these three characters as they circle one another in an escalating spiral of violence."
 
 
GogMickGog
17:46 / 22.02.08
On reflection, there were a bunch of very tweedy bastards there - of which I was certainly one, though by no means the tweediest - as well as a great deal of very affected '3-piece suit and converse' sorts. Mr Home is a lot shorter and much shyer than his 'rabid skinhead pulp factory' image might suggest. Nonetheless, he's a sharp cookie and I learnt a lot about the LPA and Luther Blisset along the way.

Berg sounds absolutely marvellous. I was watching Brighton Rock just today, and so found the reference I just clocked a peculiar synchronisity.

Would we class Derek Raymond as transgressive? I'm thinking in terms of the fantastical blood loss in something like Dora Suarez, as well as his morbid preoccupations and contempt for authority. In many ways, I think Raymond 'inhabits' the crime novel in much the same way Home does with the work of Richard Allen: for police procedurals, there's seldom much process. He tends to hijack the narratives in favour of existantial monologues - many of which I find are touched by a very moving sense of melancholy. Shall post some later...
 
 
The Idol Rich
14:40 / 24.02.08
Nonetheless, he's a sharp cookie and I learnt a lot about the LPA and Luther Blisset along the way.

Speaking of Luther Blisset, does Q count as transgressive literature? Maybe not as the genre is described here but I enjoyed the book a lot anyway.

I don't know that Berg is quite marvellous but it's very interesting, especially stylistically, and it's well worth reading in my opinion.

What about Les Chants de Maldoro by Ducasse/Lautreamont, I realise it doesn't fit the time period given in the opening post but seems to fit many of the other criteria. Must be a forefather to a lot of this stuff I would have thought, at least indirectly because of the influence it had on the surrealists.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:14 / 24.02.08
Would we class Derek Raymond as transgressive?

Difficult to say. I've only read 'The Crust On It's Uppers', the (autobiographical?) story of an ex-Eton schoolboy (possibly with aristocratic connections) who's behaving badly in fifties Soho, doing scams, going to the bookies, roughing his girlfriends up if they talk back to him, and so on. It reads like the work of a man who wanted to escape his background and be one of the Krays, but how seriously the reader's expected to take this isn't clear.

Anyway there's a discussion of Derek Raymond's work, in the form of a defective interview, in 'From Sunningdale To This' by William Donaldson.

I've got no idea if 'From Sunningdale To This' is still in print; William Donaldson was the man behind 'The Henry Root Letters', who was once described by Auberon Waugh as 'the English Nabokov', and who fell, by his own account (except, was he joking?) into crack-addled antics in his latter days. Either way (and having spoken to him on the phone in the nineties, when I was working in publishing, I couldn't say) 'From Sunningdale To This' is a work of ... 'transgressive' wouldn't be the right word -
'decadent', perhaps, English genius.

It would have been published by Random House, but there were problems with some of the material to do with the Royal Family.

This'll perhaps be of no interest to anyone else, but, Mr Mick, I think you should google him.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:35 / 24.02.08
(It turns out the book was published as 'From Winchester To This' - I'm ordering my copy off Amazon now, having been trying to find one for years.)
 
 
GogMickGog
08:05 / 25.02.08
On the same page as ever, Mr Grandma: whilst I type a copy of Donaldson's "Rogues, Villains and Eccentrics" lies on my windowsill gathering dust. Terence Blacker's recent biography does a great deal of dirt sifting on the man, if that's what you're after. His drug use seems to have been entirely true to life - he favoured crack - as were his seedier tastes. When Donaldson died, he was found logged on to a lesbian mud wrestling site. His Obit. line in the Torygraph ran something like 'Wykehamist, satirist, crack fiend'. Enviable.

Getting back to Raymond, I've a real affection for his writing. 'Crust' and some of his other earlier books are every bit as brash as Alex makes out, but the Factroy novels in particular are the lamentations of an older, wiser man. Their emetic excess is legendary, but this runs hand in hand with a real sympathy for the downtrodden and a hatred of self-importance. Still digging among boxes for my copies but I'll paste some content when I can.
 
 
GogMickGog
08:07 / 25.02.08
As a footnote, I pinched my copy of the Blacker book during a sufferingly brief period in publishing last year. I shall bear the scars of my phone call with Piers Moron for years to come.
 
 
cuuixsilver
18:47 / 17.03.08
I might include the code poetry of Mez Breeze, if we are including Gysin. Since someone has already mentioned Luther Blissett and Stewart Home, we don't want to forget the Neoists, Monty Cantsin, Istvan Kantor, and Karen Elliot.

They are all group identities, but an actual person involved who now produces much scholarship would be Florian Cramer. He and many others seem to have recovered much of the transgressive lit. into new media/digital humanities studies, and into studies of porn. I also think the boundaries between transgressive lit. and net art and tactical media have gotten quite blurry; many morecent works in these latter field refer back to the Dadaists, to Cut-Up poetry, to De Sade, Bataille, etc.

So it seems that now what was transgressive has been tamed (to some degree) by being made a subject of academic research.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:16 / 08.04.08
Not sure if this quite fits, but I interviewed Jim Goad a while back...

/blatant plug
 
  
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