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GM's "Doom Force"

 
 
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01:59 / 17.12.03
A few weeks back I won all 40 or so issues of GM's run on "Doom Patrol" on eBay. Needless to say, I was estatic, and having now read Doom Patrol I think I can say it is definetly one of Morrison's best achievements.

BUT, the guy I won it from also decided to toss in a comic called "Doom Force", also written by Morrison. It appears to be a spin-off of sorts and was released in 1992.

After reading it, I came to two conclusions: Either this comic is meant to be a joke, or Morrison was actually serious about this, in which case it could be the worst thing he's ever written. I think the former is the answer here, but...

My first problem is the cover. 5 (fairly poorly drawn imo) heroes all clutching giant guns, constipated snarls on their faces. A big message proclaiming "Collectible first issue!" A yellow arrow pointing to the top hero saying "Which one of these heroes will die?" (hilariously, it is the hero that the arrow is pointing to!) Now, this must be satire. Why else kill a character off in the first issue?!?!

The story itself is quite dull. Five uninteresting superheroes have to save the world from a stock bad guy. The only funny hero is Shasta, the living mountain, who is constantly wailing about how useless he is to the team (after all, all he can do is turn himself into a mountain). The dialouge is terrible too, particularily for the Scratch character: "Come on fellas? What are ya waiting for? Christmas? Well, here's something Santa forgot to bring. And don't worry... he didn't leave you off the list!" or "Figure you're used to fighting wimps, pal. Well, I got news for you. I AIN'T NO WIMP!" The female characters all have huge breasts, I should add. It ends with Shasta heroically sacrificing his life to save the day, yet his comrades just mock him after his death. The final panel shows these hideous, ugly people laughing merrily, along with a box asking readers if they wanted to see more of America's newest band of super-powered misfits (though after this issue, who would want to?) I guess no one did, as there was only one Doom Force issue.

The editorial at the end seems very sarcastic. Like, "Our pencillers/inkers seemed inspired to artistic heights they had never previously reached. If you doubt that, go back and look again at the sheer number of lines they put into each panel and onto every figure" (they say this for the coloring job too). Really though, the art seems very poor to me. Hell, I can draw better then that, and I'm not even very good. It almost looks like it was poorly drawn on purpose.

To add to the infamy, the editor says how GM has a rep as the most tireless superhero creator in the history of comics, and they give a list of possible GM superheroes that could appear in future issues (there's like 72 names, each with a TM copyright near it, and they all have silly names like Goatee, hairline, Spatula, Snot, Cross-hatch, Post-script, etc.)

Come on, this must be some kind of superhero comic satire? Right? God I hope so.
 
 
the Fool
02:18 / 17.12.03
It was a joke on the crappy X-forcesque liefeld-style trash comics going round at that time.
 
 
The Falcon
02:20 / 17.12.03
Yes, it is. I've not seen it, other than the cover, and it seems a blatant parody of eary '90's Image Comics, particularly those of Rob Liefeld and his studio.
 
 
mephisto
03:06 / 17.12.03
Dude, reading even a few Grant Morrison comics you should be able to tell that Doom Force was meant as a joke.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
05:16 / 17.12.03
I don't know if it was produced as a kind of 'Doom Patrol' annual in all but name, but I think it was around the same time as the earliest issues of X-Force so was a parody of that style (which John Byrne also did in She-Hulk). Look on it at the flip side to that parody of the Stan and Jack version of Doom Patrol that's in there. The only thing worth noticing was that IIRC, in that issue the Chief was reduced to a head, as he would be by the end of Grant's run, a few months later...
 
 
_Boboss
08:06 / 17.12.03
c'mon - this thread must be some blith-thread satire right? right?


blimey.

'he's not the best there is at what he does, but luckily no-one else does it.'
 
 
DaveBCooper
08:42 / 17.12.03
Yeah, it's a gag. Love the arrow on the cover with it's big-drama question... answered by looking where the arrow's pointing.

And the villain's costume issues don't really reek of seriousness....

BUT when I read this again recently, one of the pages - I think it might be page 32, but it's the one with loads of speech bubbles on (as referred to in the editorial at the end) - struck me as having several ideas on it which Grant has gone on to develop into other stories, which I thought was interesting - makes it slightly less throwaway than it might seem if you like that kind of thing.
 
 
distractile
10:17 / 17.12.03
Doom Force came out right when DP was in serious danger of cancellation and GM was catching flak about its "weirdness" - I've always thought it was his way of saying "is this what you really want me to do for the sales?"
 
 
rizla mission
11:26 / 17.12.03
All I have to say is, it sounds bloody hilarious.

(Also, there's a band called Mt. Shasta.. anyone know where the reference originally comes from, as I guess they're unlikely to be named after a character from an obscure throwaway Grant Morrison comic..?

Apologies for my stupidity if it's something really obvious.)
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
12:05 / 17.12.03
If you read through the letters pages it's plugged a couple of times. Sadly my run is currently incomplete, so I'm currently green with envy at you scoring the lot.
 
 
Porn Star Justice
14:28 / 17.12.03
Mount Shasta in California is a site for UFO's, New Age, mysticisim and the Shaver Mystery. The band and the hero are references to it.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
15:02 / 17.12.03
This was published just after 57 if I remember right, in which all of the team are incapacitated in one way or another, and it is left to Dorothy Spinner to create a new harder edged doom parol for the 90's!!
 
 
+#'s, - names
15:04 / 17.12.03
Come on, this must be some kind of superhero comic satire? Right? God I hope so.

Just curious, what in it would make you believe its not a superhero comic satire?
 
 
Mr Tricks
15:26 / 17.12.03
Mt. Shasta also has a rep for its trippy cloud formations...




Still, it's a great place to visit and an adorable town the Tap water comes directly from the mountain springs & is of great quality if you pay attention to such things and it's one of those places where you can play in the snow in jeans & a T-shirt.
 
 
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17:16 / 17.12.03
Why wouldn't I think it wasn't a superhero comic satire? Wellll....

The fact that it seemed like they planned on doing more then one issue of it, and... Well, I don't read superhero comics, so I'm not as familiar with the conventions as some might be (I haven't even read any of Morrison's superhero stuff, with the exception of Animal man and... Marvel Boy maybe? I dunno). The closest superhero thing I have is the comic series based on the Batman cartoon show, and Batman didn't even have super-powers.
 
 
Malio
18:18 / 17.12.03
GM in an old Comic World interview from '92:

"I love to work in the comics medium - I really do - and I've realised that a total contempt for the intelligence of the audience is the key to success. You know that Doom Force thing I did recently for DC? - the pisstake of X-Force, right? Well, eighty percent of the people who sent letters of comment in on the story actually took the thing seriously! They didn't see the joke! It's horrific. Tom Peyer phoned me up and read page after page of these insane letters. That was the turning point. That was the moment I became a super-villain. So I was one of the first to jump on board and now I'm the first to jump off the sinking ship of 'adult graphic novels'. Nobody wants to read them..."
 
 
Haus of Mystery
10:15 / 18.12.03
It's pretty fucking wild that DC sanctioned an entire 'deluxe special' specifically designed to rip the shit out of the then current Marvel in-house style. That's why for my money it's always been the more interesting of the two Big Boy publishers.
 
 
The Timaximus, The!
03:06 / 24.10.04
Can I get a little Barbelith advice?

I'm having my GM Doom Patrol run bound (here), and I don't know what to do with Doom Force. At first I wasn't sure where to put it (the whole run breaks down into three books: 1. 19-34, 2. 35-52, 3. 53-63 + Flex Mentallo), but now I'm not sure if I even want to include it. The completist in me says yes, but the rest of me thinks it kinda sucks. I thought about placing it where it originally came out (just after #57, I think, but I don't have it nearby), but that disrupts the story too much (though it could be read as another of Cliff's disembodied hallucinations). Otherwise it's either between DP 63 and Flex 1, or after Flex (making it the last thing in the book). Any suggestions? Am I putting way too much thought into this?
 
 
■
09:20 / 24.10.04
Just leave it. It was funny at the time, but doesn't stand up as part of DP, and was surely not meant to.
 
 
Ganesh
10:57 / 24.10.04
I'm still slightly surprised that this was taken as anything other than outright piss-take - even without familiarity with the conventional superhero stylings it's lampooning.
 
 
Triplets
14:50 / 24.10.04
I'm suprised you're suprised, in which case someone else should be suprised at my suprise that suprises etc. Do you not have stupid people where you come from?
 
 
The Timaximus, The!
16:00 / 24.10.04
I "get" it, and it is funny, but that type of thing is usually doomed from the start. It seems rather hard to parody crap without actually producing crap. I had the same sort of problem with Team America. I'm sure there must be some examples to the contrary, but I can't come up with any off the top of my head. GM's Liefeld parody was much better when it was two pages in the Invisibles.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:04 / 24.10.04
Am I putting way too much thought into this?

Possibly.
Send it to someone on this board if you don't want it. I'm sure there'd be some takers
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
16:57 / 24.10.04
Anyone looking to sell an issue of this?

Also, what are the odds it'll be collected? I'm hopeful, a friend described this to me as "the worst thing ever in the best way ever" and I really really want to read this.
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
17:23 / 24.10.04
They should put out an anthology collecting those serious letters the fans sent to Grant on Doom Force!
 
 
John Octave
22:57 / 24.10.04
D'you think Rob Liefeld would sign this if I handed it to him in an autograph line? I bought this comic last summer at the Chicago convention and wanted to see what would happen, but didn't see him signing all day.

I'll give it a go next year if I attend again. It'd be priceless...
 
 
Ganesh
11:14 / 25.10.04
I'm suprised you're suprised, in which case someone else should be suprised at my suprise that suprises etc. Do you not have stupid people where you come from?

Generally not that particular variety of stupid, in those circumstances, no. Most of us can spell 'surprised' too.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
19:44 / 26.10.04
DF may well have been the first thing by Morrison I ever bought. It was hysterical. I did, however, think that it'd turn out to be an ongoing series... but I suppose many people thought the same of much of Rob Liefeld's oeuvre.

The chief, BTW, was a disembodied head in an ice cube floating in a giant drink, which I think in turn was perched on his wheelchair.

/+,
 
 
Haus of Mystery
19:56 / 26.10.04
If some thought it was for real, then it was a success, no?
 
  
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