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Scott Walker: the god-like genius of

 
  

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doctorbeck
09:34 / 25.11.03
was listening to the late junction on radio 3 last night, they were playing some old scott walker as a 5 cd box set is just being released, it was great to hear it played in the context of contemporary classical and new jazz, and some of those scott 1-4 tracks really stood up well in that company

now this box set seems to present the tracks thematically (one is 'the bedsit ballads', i imagine one is the jaques brell stuff) and i was wondering what people thought about this approach to his work and, in fact if anyone other than me cared two figs about it. and if anyone actually LIKES tilt.

andrew
 
 
_Boboss
09:39 / 25.11.03
momma! do you see what i see?
on your knees and pray for me
Matilda's come back to meeee!!!!

fucking brilliant - scott rules
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
09:40 / 25.11.03
I quite liked the actual song 'Tilt' - I liked the sort of grinding jangle backing track, I think - but I remember being unconvinced by the rest of it - will dig it out again and have another listen at some stage though, just to see whether my opinion has changed.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
10:37 / 25.11.03
Scott Walker would have made the best James Bond ever.

I'm listening to Scott 4 as I type. Who the hell watches The Seventh Seal and decides it would make a brilliant pop song. Genius.

Not sure about presenting the tracks thematically, I think the albums themselves work so perfectly that I'd rather just have them as they are. Do you know if there's any rare material included with the box set, or anything like that?

I'm afraid the verdict is still out on Tilt, and has been for years and years. I prefer to keep it that way. It's better to maintain the belief that Scott can do no wrong.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
10:51 / 25.11.03
He can do wrong, he appeared in a Britvic orange advert. And an episode of the Muppets, although thats not so bad I suppose...He still rules though.
 
 
doctorbeck
11:02 / 25.11.03
GL asked

>Do you know if there's any rare material included with the box set, >or anything like that?


don't know at the minute, they didn't mention it on radio 3 last night, there must be loads of stuff that never got onto record from that era.

hard thing getting people who don't like his stuff to give it a go, and must admit it took me ages of thinking it was just a depressive frank sinatra copy (in my youth i have to say), but there's something about it hat can just click, i dunno, maybe when you have drunk a bit too much and felt a bit too much and want to get lost in something massive and maudlin

given that i am off to see brian wilson perform smile next year, something you thought could never happen, i wonder if it is beyond possibility for scott to perform scotts 1-4 at the royal albert hall, maybe over 4 nights....

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Gypsy Lantern
11:44 / 25.11.03
i wonder if it is beyond possibility for scott to perform scotts 1-4 at the royal albert hall, maybe over 4 nights....

Blimey, imagine that.
 
 
Locust No longer
03:34 / 23.01.06
Finally started listening to this guy after hearing various songs all over the place for a long time and never knowing who the fuck it was. I always remembered at those moments when hearing a song somewhere and thinking, "Jesus, is this guy serious?" then a few minutes in,- "Oh my god, he is serious and it's amazing!" I'm talking about his old stuff here. I haven't heard any of his new stuff on Drag City that's supposedly got him re-popularized with the hip crowd. I hear it's noisy or something?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
09:56 / 23.01.06
I really want to see that episode of the Muppets with Scott Walker.
 
 
Benny the Ball
09:59 / 23.01.06
When my nan died, my dad got drunk, played the best of scott and the walker brothers and cried his manly eyes out.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
10:25 / 23.01.06
"I really want to see that episode of the Muppets with Scott Walker."

It is, in every respect, SHOCKING. The Britvic advert was a better outing for his talents and I LIKE the Muppets.

Yeah, Locust, I think Tilt might be up your street from what I know of your tastes. It's a very dark, forbidding album marred only by some rather dated, early 90s production touches. You should be able to find it quite cheap. It's definitely worth a listen.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
11:05 / 23.01.06
It is, in every respect, SHOCKING.

I'm imagining the Muppets and Scott Walker in some bizarre, sordid, Jacques Brel-esque song and dance routine. Like 'The Muppets Christmas Carol' but with queer, gin soaked sailors wrestling tattooed rent boys in a filthy Parisian bordello, and Scott Walker crooning in the midst of it with a syphilis-ridden Miss Piggy on his knee.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
12:32 / 02.02.06
Does anyone know anything about the new record that Scott Walker is rumoured to be releasing?
 
 
doctorbeck
14:40 / 02.02.06
other than it is on 4AD records no unfortunately, tho i hope it is a bot more listenable than tilt, which had one good track on it (the title track)

just reading a biography of scott at the moment so nice to see this thread up again, was surprised at how much of a teen idol he was, really on a par with the beatles,

wonder if there is even the slightest chance of some live shows with the new lp?
 
 
m
17:25 / 02.02.06
Hey, could someone suggest a good Walker Bros. record to me? I've only got SW Sings Jacques Brel, but it rocks my world, and I've heard and really enjoyed Scott's first two or three solo things. Also, how does that box set hold up to the individual records themselves? Does its strange topical sequencing help or hinder the flow of the songs? Should I get the box or just wait and try to get 1-4 by themselves instead?
 
 
doctorbeck
06:51 / 03.02.06
for my money scott 4 and 1 are my favourites, in that order, but if you get them on vynil it will cost £20-40 each which is the price of the box set and then some, you can probably get 1-4 on cd on ebay for £5 each though and i think that is probably the best bet, both in terms of value and listening to the songs in the 'ahem' right order iykwim
also worth getting a best of the walker bros with sun ain't gonna shine and take it easy on yourself if you haven't and if you just want to get one cd the Boy Child compilation is a very good one for my money and selectadisc had it for a fiver last time i looked

love the scott does brel stuff too and have a few best of brel lps which are stunning
 
 
illmatic
08:27 / 03.02.06
So what about the Walker Brothers? Is there a particular LP or are "best ofs" the best bet?
 
 
■
14:16 / 03.02.06
Go for the "best of" because it picks out ALL their good songs (because there aren't that many). Nite Flights is passable in an odd way, but I've never spent more than an hour listening to any of the others.
When you get attuned to the Scott magic, you must also seek out "Till the Band Comes In" which has some utterly astonishing tracks mixed in with some dreadful schmaltz.
Tilt was pretty much an unmitigated disaster for me, though. I was at the height of my Scott worship when it came out and I was very upset.
Climate of Hunter is also a bit wonky. Never really got along well with it, and the really early stuff (pre-Walker Bros) is just too cheesy by half.
So, 1-4=essential, No Regrets=important, Till the Band comes in=fun, Tilt=urgh, Boy Child=redundant as you'll have all the tracks by then.
Probably the best sampler was Julian Cope's revival record Fire Escape in the Sky (aka the Godlike Genius of Scott Walker) but they are very rare.
 
 
Orrin's Prick Up Your Ears
11:33 / 08.02.06
Wow. I like Tilt the best. Spare, surreal & very, very beautiful. 'Farmer in the City' completely destroys me & I love 'Manhattan' ... every now & again I'll just lock the doors, turn off the lights & treat myself to an evening of it. Shame it's almost impossible to get hold of now.

Actually, most of Scott's stuff destroys me. Listened to 'Rosemary' on repeat when my mum died just to sink into that deep indigo headspace, as his biographer calls it.

Can't wait to hear his new album.
 
 
■
14:19 / 28.03.06
Culture Show Thursday 30th March on BBC2, 8pm has a Scott interview.
Mild squeeee! mixed with slight apprehension.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
15:44 / 25.04.06
The new Scott Walker record "The Drift"* is out in May. It's leaked already on Soulseek.

Hmm...

The nearest reference point is Tilt. Like Tilt, it's both beautiful and impossible in equal measures. I've listened to it a couple of times and I can't make up my mind whether its more accessible than Tilt or if it's far, far weirder and even more difficult to get to grips with. One track has him dementedly crooning what sounds like "I'll punch a donkey on the streets of Gallway" over weird, sinister, discordant strings...

I think you need to really listen to it, giving it your full attention, in order for it to click. If you have it on as background music, it just sounds awful. But I listened to it on the way to work this morning and it really started to unfold. Quite a beautiful atmospheric... thing... I think you just have to give it your full time and attention to grasp where he's coming from with these records.

Anyone else heard it yet?

* The title obviously inspired by my article of the same name in Generation Hex....
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
12:42 / 01.05.06
Surely I'm not the only person on barbelith being driven steadily, irrepairably insane by this frightening record?
 
 
doctorbeck
09:09 / 03.05.06
i am wondering when i will get the chance to bike into town and get it, sounds interesting, is there really a return to big orchestration on it? how is The Voice these days?

wonder if there is any chance of a tour to drum up some interest, massive orchestral dissonance is wonderful live, if that's what he's done
 
 
rizla mission
09:20 / 04.05.06
If the interview / track by track run down of the album in this month's Wire is anything to go by, it's gonna make 'Tilt' sound like 'Meet the Beatles' in comparison...

..although he does reluctantly offer a few useful insights as to precisely what he's going on about in various songs, so recommended reading to ease Gypsy's aching head I think..
 
 
■
19:03 / 10.05.06
I am putting it off as long as possible so that I don't get the same let-down I got with Tilt. I know I'll hate it, but I so want to be pleasantly surprised.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
13:35 / 12.05.06
I'm really loving this record still. It is more accesible than Tilt, but it's no Scott 4. The sinister Donald Duck impersonations still fuck with me though.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:18 / 12.05.06
Just downloaded it from emusic... wondering if grant has a copy, what with his love of Cossacks and all.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:28 / 12.05.06
Wow. Two tracks in, and this is fucking incredible. Haven't heard any Scott for ages (missed Tilt when it came out) but this is like... I don't know what. The percussion's been very Eno-ish so far, but the first track sounded like a warmer Birthday Party.

All the reviews I've read say it's a very difficult album... I'm not getting that so far. It seems very complex, but immediate enough that I'll enjoy putting in the effort.
 
 
Baobab Branches and Plastic
15:24 / 14.05.06
I've heard the name scott walker many many times but i have never actually heard any of his music (or if I have it wasn't pointed out to me):

For a novice erm: what are some definitive releases that most people agree are his best work. Is there a best of thats particularly good? What his most accessible work?

ta
 
 
doctorbeck
09:53 / 15.05.06
Scott 1 and Scott 4 are probably good starts as is a best of the walker brothers but there is a couple of best of scott walker comps that are worth a look (i like the boy child one especially and it is a fiver in selectadisc)
 
 
■
21:52 / 28.05.06
Ooh. I'm six tracks in and haven't turned off yet. He's recognised something was wrong with the hardcore techno approach and is trying something else. It's complicated.
The most important thing for me is that I don't hate it. It's not classic Scott, but I didn't expect it to be. Even when he goes off on sudden bursts of loudness, there seems to be a reason, where Tilt was just slamming a once-beautiful voice against spiky steel until the wounds opened. I'm pleasantly yet warily surprised.
No-one who is not already a Scott fan should consider throwing money at it, though. Please. Just don't.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:10 / 28.05.06
I've read a couple of reviews of the new stuff, but it's hard to get a sense of what it actually sounds like, apart from 'very good,' 'difficult' and so on, which could mean anything really, Bjork difficult, Swans difficult, Captain Beefheart difficult etc. I don't know if you'd care to expand a bit cube?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:22 / 28.05.06
Have you ever heard Bright Yellow Moon by Current 93 and Nurse With Wound?

It reminds me of that quite a lot.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:22 / 28.05.06
Or anyone else - I'm a big fan of 1-4, but I'm having a tough time imagining what this new material's possibly like. I mean 'a warmer Birthday Party' in the context of the albums I'm familiar with just ... does ... not compute ... And then all these techno influences. It all seems a little bewildering. Help if you can.
 
 
Lugue
23:57 / 28.05.06
Well, part of the reason that "difficult" and other such unspecific adjectives keep popping up is probably because it is a rather unique affair. Heck, more than difficult to listen to, it's difficult to pinpoint in terms of trends and influences that it corresponds to, so, reviewers and listeners alike end up with little in the way of clear reference points. Mind you, I might just be saying this because of being potentially more musically ignorant than most and as such have a hard time describing it myself.

The review I've come upon with the clearest indications of actual sound and not just general mood was Pitchfork's (the shame!).

And in my words, heck...(and I'd like to make a clear warning that this might head off into more of the vague descriptions which fail to help anyone interested in any way, cough cough)... it's heavy, it's tense, it sort of feels as if it never actually gets to a point of release and... weightlessness. The whole thing strikes me as, as I listen to it for the first times, relentless, restless.

Instrumentally? Jeez. Guitars, drums, string-work, some synths (mostly for ambience and as such rather low-key, though not always). Lots of space nonetheless - the whole thing feels weighed-down for me, but it's not actually particularly full, a lot of the time. Actually, there's plenty of space in there. It's just not a particularly pleasant one, I suppose.

Hands Me Up a particular favourite so far - for being the point where the sound sort of bursts open more clearly, I suppose. That chorus feels like such a fucking gorgeously ugly lament.

(This might be slightly uninformed, as I've just made the first couple of earings, returning a lot to HMU in particular and I've yet to actually, hum, listen to the freakin' words, haha. Hope others chime in to give a better picture of the thing.)
 
  

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