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10:23 / 21.11.03

Okay, this is getting silly.

After years of the 23 experiment, I had come to the firm belief that it's there if you look for it, and often there because a Discordian put it there. 23s all over the place, I'm used to it, it's because I was looking.

Then 22 starts following me around- table numbers in pubs, digital times, number of replies to threads, people's ages, etc etc. The first few times I thought 'Oh, that's probably the 22 trumps in Tarot and the 22 paths on the tree, the 22 letters' so I started focussing on my Tarot more and looking into qaballah. Now I see it everywhere, but because it's there, not because I'm looking for it.
Normally I treat coincidences as omens or signs, indications of things to come or what to do, but I'm doing more Tarot and qaballah and it hasn't stopped.

So I figure there's more to it, what do you lot think it might be? What do you do when a number follows you around like a pet?

Anybody else have any ideas? Or a relationship with 22? Was I unconsciously looking for it in the first place, and if so why?

Dances with Gophers

10:30 / 21.11.03

First ever UK Camelot lottery, I was going to use 21, instinct said to use 22 instead, I ignored instinct and put down 21. If I had listened to insistct I would have won a tenner. So to me 22 is a reminder to listen to instinct.

trouser the trouserian

12:18 / 21.11.03

22 i.e. 11 x 2 - it's that whole esoteric football connection.

12:45 / 21.11.03

Football nearly caused Armageddon. Bear with me;
11 11= K K
2K= 2000
The Millenium was about to implode scattering shards of time and space all over the multiverse!
Luckily I was 25 at the time, so I managed to get in front of the disaster (temporally speaking) and hijack a meme- 25 is of course Y, so YKK, or in other words Why 2K? which of course, fuelled by the universe's self doubt (as foretold by Vonnegut in Timequake) and supported by the belief of millions in the sigil Y2K, the disaster got scared and the hyperdimensional dimension-devouring Archon fled the scene until 2012. (Many thanks to the KLF for their Fuck the Millenium project which laid a false trail, distracting the beast)
Golly Gematria is fun. You really can prove anything.

12:54 / 21.11.03

Maybe it works something like this:

First Lesson: 23 is everywhere. The number 23 has some special magickal significance.

Second Lesson: 23 is everywhere you look for it. Its apparent significance is just an expression of your own psychology.

Third Lesson: 22 is everywhere, whether you look for it or not. Sometimes things just are.

Or maybe it's just to really drive in the point about how arbitrary the '23 effect' is. Or maybe the 'Second Lesson' is a fallacy, and there is something to the theories that the number 23 is a spiritual communication of some sort - so the switch to 22 is an attempt to shake you of the humanistic 'internal' perspective and put you back onto the message.

For homework: Who is the teacher?

Rambling,

~L

12:57 / 21.11.03

GAH! Immediately below this thread, the top three threads have 22 replies 25 replies and 11 replies- you see?! Even Barbelith agrees with me!

13:02 / 21.11.03

Quantum: "Luckily I was 25 at the time, so I managed to get in front of the disaster (temporally speaking) and hijack a meme," etc...

Man, y'know I was planning to do pretty much the same thing, but I got too busy cleaning out the bunker - thanks for stepping up and saving our bacon!

~L

13:05 / 21.11.03

AND it has YKK stamped on my zipper in my trousers. Since 'Trousers' in American is 'Pants', that means MY PANTS SAVED THE UNIVERSE!

(Lep- no worries, you're on the rota to avert the 2012 implosion- good luck dude, if you need my pants just ask)

Dances with Gophers

15:03 / 21.11.03

Collin Wilson said in his talk at the questing conference that something will happen in 2012 but it's not the end of the humanity.

22 follwing you! Then watch out for the men in black!

15:16 / 21.11.03

Golly Gematria is fun. You really can prove anything.

By Jove, I think he's got it.

As for 23, I always figured the seemingly arbitrary choice of the number was itself the result of syncronicity. That is, by picking it seemingly at random, syncronicity was allowed to make the choice. Being as 23 is the number of syncronicity, that is what was chosen, in a fit of circular self justification. It was chosen because it always was and it always was because it was chosen. Its rather a catch 22, isn't it?

05:38 / 22.11.03

One time at a Christmas party I was talking with the Canadian Bob Dobbs who told me that 22, not 23, was the synchronicity that was appearing all around him when he was young. Then, I don't remember who came up with the following theory, it was proposed that maybe 22 was the old synchronicty which was replaced with the 23 synchronicty. But then I heard other reports of people experiencing the 22 thing so the "old synchronicity leading into a new synchronicity" theory is seemingly disproven due to the fact that the 22 and 23 (and 17) synchronicities are existing side-by-side.

A friend of mine told me some weird theory on the 23 synchronicty. I'm not sure if I understood him correctly but he was saying that "23" is the control mechanism of the universe and when we start noticing synchronicities that means we've noticed the control mechanism and are not under its control anymore.

Then my friend explained that when he says "the contol mechanism" he isn't saying that "23" is the control mechanism of the universe nor is he saying that there's somebody controlling us. What I think he's saying is that synchronicities abound whenever we start, on some level, to notice the way the universe works and, since we (at some level) now know a little about how the universe works and becuase of that we become slightly independent of the workings of the universe.

Uhm... it's like...if the Tao is the process then synchronicities is what appears when you become aware of the process without realizing what you're seeing. You're seeing the hints, the parts of the inner workings that are visible in the outside world.

But that's just a friend's theory.

Harold Washington died for you

15:08 / 22.11.03

It's a universal countdown. Have a nice day.

11:06 / 23.11.03

You know how that stuff always goes with me? It keeps coming up and up and up and up, with no apparent reason of course. I spend all of this time and energy trying to figure it out, then something happens and all of a sudden it makes sense! Then I invariably berate myself for not having been able to interpret the signs. After a while, I realize that it was the signs that got me to recognize the event. Isn't there an easier way of doing this?

14:16 / 23.11.03

22 is my big number. I think it's the last day of the cusp between each of the zodiac signs, and I know several people born on the 22nd.

The Fool is the 22nd card in the tarot (or the zero-th, of course).

Don't fight the 22. It's a nice number.

19:48 / 23.11.03

My current syncronicity number has been 222...

09:14 / 24.11.03

Outdone by the Fool again

We won the rugby on the 22nd (YESSSS! GO JONNY!) then I went to the cinema yesterday and got seat 11 in screen 11, block K. I almost counted it as a coincidence then realised it was probably my g/friends fault as she is being followed by 11:11 and 1s and 11s etc. not just on the clock but on tills, screens, and the cinema..

I personally prefer 22 to 23 for the Qaballah and Major Arcana link, so I'm going to be nice to it and propogate it. Since I see it everywhere, I should take the hint and PUT it everywhere, hide it in messages, chalk it on walls etc.

21:27 / 25.11.03

Quantum -

Dude, to quote your favourite term, you REALLY need to switch to decaf!

00:57 / 26.11.03

2012 = 5 = E = 3 = the high priestess, which corresponds to the hebrew letter 'gimel' which means, "camel," but can also be construed as "rope."

this is the path of the tarot which crosses through da'ath, the abyss, or "knowledge," -the eleventh, hidden or secret sephiroth.

it has been postulated that by 2017 we will reach an information flashpoint, where within seconds we will be able to 'know' anything within a matter of seconds - a human take on omniscience that will literally begin an age of omni - science.

if 2017 is the flashpoint, perhaps 2012 is the beginning, the path that will take us there, or it is our contact with the abyss.

2017 = 10. ten is the number of true sephiroth in the tree of life.
ten further reduces to 1 which corresponds to the hebrew letter aleph, which corresponds to the tarot's 'fool,' which represents the beginning of a journey, and the 'foolishness' that is usually involved.

perhaps 2017 represents a year of new life, the beginning of our new journey and the attainment of the tenth sephiroth.

once total information has been acheived, the myth of our godhood is proven or destroyed, either way, we embark on the same path through a new life.

so then, 2012 - it's going to take more than zippers this time.

08:27 / 26.11.03

2012 = 5 = E = 3 = the high priestess, which corresponds to the hebrew letter 'gimel' which means, "camel," but can also be construed as "rope."
Um, or else 2=High Priestess a slightly simpler transformation, associated with Gimel because Aleph is 1 not zero.

The information flashpoint you describe is a projection of the rate of increase of information which we have been experiencing. In fact the world doesn't follow simple logarithmic rules so I'm not too worried...

Was in room 222 yesterday amongst loads of other 22 occurrences. I'm attempting to keep note of roughly how many insignificant numbers I come across now... I suspect I see 22 insignificant numbers between seeing 22s

Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown

23:46 / 27.11.03

However there is the "invisible" Sephiroth, Daath, that exists as #11 in the middle of the triangle formed by Binah, Chokmath, and Kether. Perhaps it acts a stumbling point before we hit Kether in 2017?

Thus while we may reach the information flashpoint in 2017, we still won't have achieved ascension or godhood yet.

Then there's also the theoretical Ein Sof that exists above Kether.

So even IF we reach the omniscient state in 2017, we still won't have ascended to the top of the Tree of Life, as there will still be Sephira that we have not attained. Thus would we really be omniscient?

Ow...paradox...

05:15 / 28.11.03

2012 = 5 = E = 3 = the high priestess

the three = hp was derived not from the tarot number, but from the third path on the tree of life, which corresponds to gimel and the hp, as the second path corresponds to the magus.

however, that the high priestess is abbreviated as hp...

hewlett packard will bring the downfall.

then, perhaps hp really is the whore of babylon.

and so far the practical omniscience is concerned, i think that as the numbers lay, 2017 is the tenth sephiroth, and it is in our attainment therein we gain the knowledge of da'ath.

you know, or we can just blame canada.

Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown

05:29 / 28.11.03

Hey! *I* live in Canada! Don't make me send my...errr..*looks out the window* rain and drunken college students at you!

...but you know, gaining knowledge of the "invisible" Sephiroth would be strangeley symbolic for these forums, don't you think?

08:55 / 28.11.03

The emergency number at work instead of 999 is 2222. Now that's not a coincidence, because it always has been that number and I just didn't notice until I was looking for 22s, in the same way that the CD of the 22-20s wasn't a coincidence because I bought it because of the 22 connection.
Does anyone else distinguish between occurrence-by-chance and propogation/noticing?

Johnnyfuture, in the transformation 2012 = 5 = E = 3 = the high priestess why does E=3?

09:03 / 28.11.03

I reckon any number under scrutiny could start becoming a heavy synchronicity. It's got relevance to the tarot obviously and it shares relevance with solar cycles that happen about every 11.1 years - which always seem to produce some relevant paradigmal shift I suppose. 23 symbolically represents change, so it's no wonder people notice other numbers. In one way everything seems like it's inter-connected.
I'm no expert on the caballa so I'll leave that to the serious students.
Course lotsa scientific types claim that we dwell in a space-time construct of 11 dimensions - does this show some light? If anything it's a good number for a footballer to wear! Doh!!!!

trouser the trouserian

09:53 / 28.11.03

22 in bingo caller's parlance is "two little ducks" - make of that what you will.

15:23 / 28.11.03

Macrophage, I think that's what the 23 experiment was supposed to prove, that any number could be significant if you lent it significance. Beyond that though, if a symbol or word or number occurs over and over again in your life spontaneously, and crops up so many times you cannot pass it off as meaningless coincidence, you start to think it must mean something.
It has all become clear to me now though, it's the Ducks! Quacking aquatic feathery rubbery yellow evil more horrific than the somnolent nightmares of Great Cthulhu himself! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! I must warn the world like chicken licken!

Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown

23:36 / 28.11.03

I think the ducks are functioning as download receptors for ultradimensionals.

I mean...have you ever LOOKED at a duck? They've got those funny little toes and that big bill. They were put here for a reason, mark me.

01:16 / 29.11.03

well quantum, i'd have to say that 'E' equals three because...
well, because it does...
... why doesn't it? (why not right?)

the english E and the arabic numeral 3 are kind of like mirror images of each other to me and my current paradigm.

besides, everything's connected anyway.

09:29 / 29.11.03

Jonny -

everything's connected anyway

Yeah, but some connections are microwave satelite uplink whilst others are 9200 baud copper core

17:28 / 29.11.03

Have you felt the awesome vibrations of the 123 yet????

03:48 / 03.12.03

the topic I just created in creation... notice the number...

http://www.barbelith.com/underground/topic.php?id=15222

last night at the movie there were three tickets; seats 22, 23 and 24. I waited to see which one I would be given, I got 22...

09:59 / 03.12.03

Yeah, see, the Fool is on my wavelength. My girlfriend's 22, her birthday's on the 22nd, we also went to the cinema and got seat 22, it's the fucking ducks dude, they're everywhere..

Johnnyfuture- ah, I see. I was just confused by 5=e=3. I'm off to start a thread about Gematria if you'd care to join me...

14:03 / 03.12.03

Dammit Quantum, I've been seeing it too, lately. Once you start to look for it, it appears...

14:35 / 03.12.03

That means either
1) the 22 current is on the ascendant
2) my obsessions are infecting others
3) cusm is being drawn into the telepathic Barbelith gestalt that's gradually sucking people in (you'll start having Illmatic predicting your posts soon, I guarantee it)

wait, suddenly I can't see any difference between those three options, my reality tunnel is becoming a reality labyrinth.

Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown

18:06 / 03.12.03

Amazingly I've had a lot of trouble finding 22s. I've looked, but I just can't find them.

Does that mean I'm not on the forum wavelength here?

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