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The Ghost of Tom Winter
22:41 / 28.08.06
I strongly suspect that in 1000 years, people will look back at the 20th century and talk about the World Wars, the Holocaust, the Internet, and Star Wars.

May Infinite Smiles bless you!
 
 
Henningjohnathan
05:50 / 30.08.06
Interesting topic. I don't know enough about actual Magick to really see any particular movies that are intentionally using spells in the film. EXORCIST, maybe?

However, as far as a kind of attempt to capture and share a mystical experience in the cinema, I'd have to say that intentionally or not, THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST certainly seems to have that effect.

Others would be Terrence Malick's THIN RED LINE and Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY (at least the last part).

I've not seen Tarkovsky's ANDREI RUBLEV, but his SOLARIS and STALKER certainly seem to have moments that must be designed to put the audience into a trancelike receptive state.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
07:45 / 30.08.06
One of my all-time favourite magical movies is The Shout starring Alan Bates, Susannah York, John Hurt (and an early role for Tim Curry). It begins with a cricket match between staff and inmates at a psychiatric hospital - in the scoring box, inmate Charles Crossley (Alan Bates) is telling his story to a young doctor (Tim Curry). He claims to have developed strange and terrible powers whilst living with aborigines for 18 years in Australia, and to have perfected a "Terror Shout" which can kill any living thing within earshot.
On his return to England, Crossley imposes himself on an unsuspecting young couple living in the wilds of Devon - electronic musician Anthony (John Hurt) and his wife Rachel (Susannah York). Crossley uses sorcery to seduce and control Rachel - in one scene she crouches at his feet and eats scraps that he throws at her from his plate, whilst Anthony looks on bewildered and powerless. Crossley tells Anthony about his ability to perform the "Terror Shout" and one morning, takes him into a meadow and demonstrates this power, which kills several sheep and scrambles Anthony's brains. Anthony later finds a stone in which Crossley has hidden his soul, and in shattering it, breaks the hold that Crossley has over him and Rachel.

It's a weird film, full of references to animism and sorcery, and Bates gives a compelling performance as a "magician" who intrudes into the careful rationality of Curry & York and demonstrates its fragility.
 
 
Eleutheria
08:00 / 30.08.06
I would definitely have to say TITUS - especially the scene at the very end... it's as if the kid is sending the child Horus into the ocean of time/history. At least that's how I see it. Eliot Goldenthal's "Finale" playing during this scene really makes for a powerful experience as well.

Also, I'd have to second the suggestions of a previous poster:

Maya Deren - I'd include her documentary "Divine Horsemen:
Living Gods of Haiti"

Jodorowsky - amazing director


We can't forget:

Kenneth Anger - everything that he has ever done

Bergman - "Wild Strawberries"

Kubrick - 2001
 
 
Eleutheria
08:04 / 30.08.06
Oh yeah, and the guy who said Tarkovsky, good on ya mate! "Stalker" is especially brilliant.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
12:04 / 30.08.06
Cronenberg's "The Fly".

In fact, Cronenberg.
 
 
Henningjohnathan
13:53 / 30.08.06
The SHOUT sounds great. I wonder if it came out around the same time as SIMON THE WARLOCK. Seemed like even though there were a lot of movies about magick at the time (wasn't it all part of the Age of Aquarius?)they were mostly reduced to Exorcist or Omen rip-offs or Evil Cult movies like THE WICKER MAN, RACE WITH THE DEVIL and HARVEST HOME.
 
 
Henningjohnathan
16:15 / 30.08.06
John Carpenter's made for cable movie CIGARETTE BURNS while not really magical (or even that good) had a very interesting idea behind it. The premise behind the story was that a Werner Herzog style director in the height of the cinephile period in the sixties/seventies somehow got hold of an actual, swear-to-god angel, filmed a group of actors while they cut off its wings and then he used the actual blood in the developing process thus infusing the film with the essence of mystical truth. The only public showing of the film ended with the audience tearing each other apart and the movie is about one movie-hound's quest for the only existing print of the movie on behalf of a very rich and evil collector.

The central revelation is that the mystical power of the film reveals the darkest truth inside a person and through manifest hallucinations forces them to confront it. They usually respond with violence and self destruction - thus the blood orgy whenever the film is shown.

The movie itself is poorly written, acted and produced, BUT the central idea of a kind of Necronomicon of cinema or using the medium to force mystical or psychological revelations in the audience and viewer stuck with me.

It reminded me of Stephen King's criticism of Stanley Kubrick's THE SHINING. King said (to paraphrase) that Kubrick wanted to make a film that hurts people. To me, that is a great compliment since it is about expanding the power of the medium beyond "safe limits."

Speaking of Herzog, I get the same sort of feeling. He is determined to force the viewer to face the blind brutality at the base of the universe and deep in the heart of mankind's nature. AGUIRRE, NOSFERATU and FITZCARALDO all have somewhat mystical qualities. Wasn't there a film where Herzog actually hypnotized the actors?

Another film in that group would be APOCALYPSE NOW.
 
 
Sylvia
07:37 / 31.08.06
Quick related aside: Has anyone seen the House on Haunted Hill? Two good friends thought there had been some disturbingly vile subliminals worked into it, and left the cinema feeling they'd been abused in some way. Any takers? I haven't seen it myself, but I'm curious...

Weird. I saw it only once about 5 or 6 years ago but reading the above paragraph immediately recalled my feeling of oppressive dread during some of the more surreal scenes in House on Haunted Hill. I love horror, I can stand gore, and the scenes in question were actually pretty goofy. Yet somehow they were incredibly unpleasant. Almost unclean.

Ugh. Tell your friends I know exactly how they felt.
 
 
Madman in the ruins.
16:04 / 04.09.06
Collateral.

Max forsees his own death "Guy dies on a metro, no one
notices"
Max is Vinces mentor/cataylist he goads Vince into action "All it would have taken was a down payment on a lincon town car" Vince becomes Max in the club.
And the Fox moment where they see the Fox in urban LA and share a momnet. To me the Fox is Vinces spirt, Vince dressed like a silver fox.
 
 
Dadaist
16:17 / 04.09.06
Prospero´s Books.
 
 
ostranenie
22:17 / 09.09.06
People have been mentioning Miyazaki, but specifically, the one that does it for me every time is My Neighbour Totoro.

Both because it's a great portrayal of a society where paganism/animism is a natural part of life (I love the part where the younger sister tells her father she's met Totoro and instead of calling her crazy, he says "You probably met the king of this forest," and takes both girls on a hike to the local shrine to thank the spirit for protecting her) and because the scenes with the spirits are so powerful. The part with the tree seedlings and Totoro's flight makes me tear up. I think because it evokes being a child so perfectly, when your fantasy life helps you get through the bad stuff and helps the world make sense.

I've shamelessly appropriated Totoro as a sort of protector figure in my personal iconography.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:44 / 10.09.06
I'd have to nominate Shaun of the Dead, the Shamanic journey (to pick up Liz and then his Mum and step-dad), staring down the enemy (David with the gun), two of his three anchors dying (Mum and Ed), the warrior woman (Yvonne) and can I interest anyone in remaindered copies of Matrix Warrior?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:24 / 10.09.06
in 1000 years, people will look back at the 20th century and talk about the World Wars, the Holocaust, the Internet, and Star Wars.

Really? An entertaining but deeply flawed series of science fiction films, making extremely clunky use of a handful of archetypes, is going to be remembered more than any other cultural artifact?

Would you care to unpack exactly how Star Wars represents "the most lasting and powerful shamanistic journey in the exoteric culture"?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:00 / 10.09.06
TheCow Star Wars has been mentioned already, but I'll just say it again, as it was in a way my gate to the actual doing of magic and not just the sitting and thinking.

Let me guess, it was when Fozzie Bear said "Do, or not do, there is no try" wasn't it?
 
 
Unconditional Love
15:37 / 10.09.06
Walkabout by Nicolas Roeg, just watch it. I could write an essay but i am not going to.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
23:25 / 10.09.06
You could also write something much shorter than an essay, say a couple of sentence about why you think the film is 'magical'.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
13:32 / 11.09.06
Gilliam once described Brazil as being set on the Belfast/LA border.

Alien? Weerl, Alien is your whole vagina dentata thing, isn't it? Alien was spoze to be a sterile female, al la worker insects. Then you have the laying-eggs-in-people-while-they're-still-alive inna ichneumon wasp stylee, such that you have a female that can impregnate you, fatally, regardless of gender, and you have one of the most disturbing beasties ever invented. That's why Aliens is up there with Frankenstiens and Draculers and zombies, and everything else is just old man Cooper from the fairground who would have got away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids. Q.E.D.

Mordant I know you wrote this a while back but did you mean the face huggers as the vagina dentata or the aliens themselves. Whilst the imagery of the facehuggers would fit as VD wouldn't the act of penetration and insemination be seen as more male? That and the look of the aliens (phallus like) would suggest that like vampires it was about rape. Also isn’t a lot of Giger’s work about penetration? This would also tie in with the stalk and slashness (albeit a more sophisticated then much of the rest of the genre) of the original movie.

Not to say there's not a lot of VD in the genre: Predator (the creature came from an idea by James Cameron, someone who seems to have fetishised the idea of a strong female)(also if aliens are the penis is anyone surprised that Aliens vs. Predator is just a porn film), the Thing at times, one of the Blade films and even the Sarlac Pit off the top of my head. I have considered starting a thread about this but I seem to lack anything more constructive to say than: Gee isn't there a lot of vagina dentata in horror/sci-fi and does that suggest there's a strong fear of females running through out? Wonder why that is?

GGM was it Holy Mountain that Jodorowksy was tried for heresy in Mexico for?

Perhaps it's because I really, really like him but I keep on thinking that Michael Mann is trying to tell us something about how we relate to the modern city as an entity. Probably seen in Collateral the best, a journey to overcome, LA as the third principal character, the use of technology as a focus (in this case high definition cameras that show more than the human eye can pick up, what are we seeing beyond what we consciously see), the trickster in the forms of the coyote cross in front of the taxi etc. Sadly I lack the requisite knowledge to understand it in anything but quite a shallow manner.

Does anyone else think that Mel Gibson is trying some kind Christian Ritual with his films? Leaving aside the theme of revenge, which seems to run through a lot of his work (Mad Max, leathal Weapon, Braveheart all similar stories in a way, I'm looking forward to Passion of Christ IV, with Joe Pesci as Doubting Thomas and Jet Li as Pontius Pilot: "If you said this in Galilee you would be dead by now."). At the end of Braveheart he seemed to want to transform himself, in the character of Wallace, into a Christ figure. Is this idea continued in the Passion of Christ?

On a personal note American Beauty and Grosse Point Blank for me in terms of magical. Just a peak behind the scenes, letting you know that there's more to what you see and how that relates to how you approach life.

I strongly suspect that in 1000 years, people will look back at the 20th century and talk about the World Wars, the Holocaust, the Internet, and Star Wars.

That would be depressing.

I haven't seen Cigarette Burns but there is a book by Ramsey Campbell that deals with a similar idea of a missing occult film. In this case one starring Bela Lugosi but I can't remember the name of the book.

Also I’m quite surprised that nobody’s mentioned Donnie Darko.
 
 
Henningjohnathan
16:13 / 11.09.06
Remsey Campbell's book is ANCIENT IMAGES, but often people (who refer to it at all) call it TOWER OF FEAR since that is the mythical missing Lugosi/Karloff film the main character seeks.

For some reason, I keep thinking that this novel was written by Ray Bradbury.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:31 / 11.09.06
Reid: It's rare for me to stand by any of my old Temple posts but I still believe I was spot-on with the femaleness of the Aliens. For one thing, they are based on insect hives: A queen who lays eggs and an army of sterile female workers, with the place of the drones taken by the unwitting mamallian hosts. As for the facehuggers--come on, look at the things. They're a pair of hands and a fanny.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:42 / 11.09.06
Cigarette Burns indeed reminded me a lot of Ancient Images too.

WRT the Aliens=female thing- I'd go along with that. Bear in mind also that Giger was/is hugely influenced by Lovecraft, and Lovecraft's (alleged/surmised) issues with women would seem to go along with this.

I'd volunteer Valerie And Her Week Of Wonders, which I only saw recently. It deals with sexual awakening and the world of the unconscious- it's actually something of a headfuck, while constantly remaining quite a "feelgood" atmosphere. Imagine a cross between The Company Of Wolves, The Holy Mountain and The Wicker Man, as if done by Hammer. (No, not that Hammer).

Given some of the shit that actually(?) occurs in it, it's all fairly lighthearted, without being dismissive. It's... it's very hard to actually describe. And it only takes about 80 minutes to watch. I'm gonna start an FTVT thread on it when I've seen it a couple more times, but it seems to fit here pretty well.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
17:24 / 11.09.06
I think we'll have to agree to disagree here, I certainly take your point about the facehuggers but I see the alien workers/warriors as very male, though certainly in a matriarchal society, and Giger's issue with women could just as easily manifest as a rape fantasy. I must admit most of the commentary I've read about Aliens tends to put the worker/warrior as males and phallus shaped with a femal protagaonist. However I guess it could be read either way.

Apparently one abandoned idea for Alien/s 3 was an alien king, I suspect that may have sucked.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:36 / 11.09.06
Apparently, when Giger unveiled the first design for the Alien, he had to be gently told that he had equipped its face with labia. Minora and maiora. I think possibly there's an ambiguity between the alien as the monstrous feminine and the alien as this very male, closed-off, impervious monster. I'm not even touching that if you penetrate it, it sprays acid.

Doesn't the deleted scene were Ripley meets Dallas suggest that originally the alien impregnated people itself as well as via facehugger? Which is itself both male and female...
 
 
ceilingsarecool
01:14 / 12.09.06
Wow, so many. I could argue movies are all magical if they're good because of the altered states they can create in the viewer.

Favorites? Videodrome, Finnian's Rainbow and Simply Irresistible all do it for me. I have to give a shout out to Templte Goddess: What Dreams May Come is also a favorite of mine, paried with the Boris Karloff version of The Mummy when I want to talk about reincarnation theory with someone.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
06:43 / 12.09.06
What about Walt Disney's 1940 classic Fantasia? The "sorcerer's apprentice" segment starring Mickey Mouse was scored by Paul Dukas and based on Goethe's 1789 poem. Goethe's poem is based on a much earlier tale of magical misadventures. The Roman Lucian (c120-85), in his Philopseudes relates the story of one Eucrates (a pupil of the powerful Egyptian mage Pancrates, who learnt magic from Isis herself). Eucrates, in his master's absence, magically animates a rolling-pin and causes it to fetch water, flooding his master's house with water. In his desperation, Eucrates splits the rolling-pin with an axe, but both parts spring up and continue to fetch water. It's only the arrival of Pancrates, with the power to end the spell, which brings the emergency to an end.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
06:59 / 12.09.06
Do you think gender confusion causes the aliens to be so mean?
 
 
Quantum
13:52 / 12.09.06
Trans Drones/Xenomorphs Are Not The Same...
Mordant, I'd say the secondary mouth on the (male) drones is clearly a bitey penis, and the facehuggers impregnate people in the mouth, the penis-emerging-from-the-vagina theme is pretty strong in Giger. The Queen has a giant bitey penis for example, so it's not just Vagina dentata, more like Genitalia dentata.
 
 
Unconditional Love
23:28 / 12.09.06
walkabout contrasts the urban environment with a dried up lake from the first montage sequence, the whole film exposes very cleverly through the use of sound and contrasting image the very tribalised routines of civilised culture and there denatured consequence.

The film explores nature in all its colours from its most bleak portraits, death and hopelessness, to the wonderment and awe it can inspire. In some ways its as if by viewing the pretensions of culture are slowly stripped from the viewer.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:49 / 13.09.06
Reidcourchie, wrt Mel Gibson, I think the question is whether he's identifying with Christ himself or whether he's identifying with the pain of the torture and crucifixion bits. It's been so long since I saw The Patriot and Braveheart that I honestly don't remember much of what happened in those films, but the brutality porn aspect of his career since he started getting involved beyond the acting in the films has come up time and again.
 
 
Quantum
10:24 / 13.09.06
Even before he got behind the camera, brutality porn from Mad Max onward I believe, with the exception of What Women Think maybe.
 
 
Henningjohnathan
22:25 / 13.09.06
Even before he got behind the camera, brutality porn from Mad Max onward I believe, with the exception of What Women Think maybe.

In that case, the torment was inflicted upon the audience.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:52 / 14.09.06
Well, he did wax his legs, I'm not sure how that rates with being tied to a stake and whipped, a la Passion, but it's got to sting.
 
 
scaramouche
19:18 / 19.09.06
SUSPIRIA has some interesting elements, if you consider the dancer's journey at the end to be into the Underworld--she encounters one of three aspects of the Dark Mother (Mater Suspiria) after the potential of falling to her death, being hung (happened to prior victim) . . . there is a drowning danger in the sequel . . . so you have the Threefold Death (almost) . . . she encounters the Hag who would otherwise devour her to sustain herself and instead symbolically beheads her (stabs her in the throat).
 
 
Henningjohnathan
19:22 / 19.09.06
Hey, speaking of otherworldly journeys, Jean Cocteau's BEAUTY AND THE BEAST and ORPHEUS feel magical in both form and content. A few Spanish films as well as Fellini's work seems directed toward a magical effect.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:36 / 22.09.06
On the first page of the thread a couple of people mentioned Labyrinth as a magical film. Couldn't agree more. It's a great little piece with a nice solid chunk of magic at its heart: a young girl goes down into a perplexing maze, confronts fear and confusion (and smmmelllllll) and returns home with maturity, wisdom, and a few new spirit allies she can call upon when she needs them.

I also love the Dark Crystal. I mean, look at it. You've got evil rituals to sustain the lives of hideous, broken creatures; you've got the Mystics, who, although gentle and loving, are also broken and incomplete; you've got unity with things hidden in the dark... cracking stuff!

I want to be Aughra when I grow up.
 
  

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