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Games of Childhood

 
 
pachinko droog
18:26 / 18.11.03
This springs from a late-nite bar conversation that I had with a bunch of people the other night: reminiscing about childhood games and forms of play that were created spontaneously. (It was just interesting to see how many similarities there were despite where everyone grew up.)

This led me to wonder: are we hardwired for play? The games all seemed so similar that I'm guessing it has something to do with the process of socialization. (I've never studied this sort of thing, so anyone with some insight please comment!)

As for examples of universality (we tried to broadly categorize them): tag games (many variations); hide & seek games; hand games; word games; string games; paper games; cops & robbers-type games (again, many variations); I think that was about as far as we got. The idea was to stay away from anything that involved actual pre-packaged games/toys, including ball games which were really more in the sports category (so no dodge-ball or bombardment, sorry). And of course, everyone seemed to have made forts in the woods at some point or another.

This leads to another idea: are kids today experiencing the same sorts of play patterns that we did? It just seems that, at least around where I live, kids don't really play outside the way they used to, say, 20-30 years ago. Anyone else notice this?
 
 
ibis the being
19:49 / 18.11.03
Here in New England (15-20 yrs ago) we played (for starters...) -

*Ghost In The Graveyard (or Murder in the Graveyard), Kick the Can, the Blob, etc - hide & seek games
*Chinese jump rope (girls mostly, but not only)
*what I now know to be Cootie Catchers but we didn't have a name for them - folding paper fortune-tellers (the boys seemed to want it to be a girls game but were too attracted to it to stay away)
*Crack the Whip - an evil sadomasochistic playground game in which everybody tries to give/get whiplash
*for hand games we had Miss Mary Mack (of course) and the perennial favorite that I innocently thought went "The space goes boom boom skee wotten totten..." but years later I realized was actually the racist chant "The spades go boom boom (etc)..."

Thanks for making me think of something I did 20 years ago! ugh.
 
 
spidermonkey
08:22 / 19.11.03
In Surrey 15 years ago we used to play kiss chase, pacman (using the lines of the tennis court), treasure hunt, red rover and french skipping.

A friend of mine told me he used to play a harmless game involving the capturing of flags which got banned at school. The reason it got banned was that in their childish confusion of history they had named the game " the Jews and the Germans"!
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
08:33 / 19.11.03
Bulldog is the only one I recall taking over the entire playground.

We used to go round the playground linking arms and chanting 'all join up for playing...' whatever it was, but I think most of the games were old standards, lots of them chase games and 'what's the time Mr Wolf?' etc. There was also a huge craze for marbles when I was about ten/eleven. We must have been a singularly uninventive lot.

There must be books about this sort of thing - I bet Iona and Peter Opie have written something about the chants and types of games, for starters.
 
 
Char Aina
08:37 / 19.11.03
i distinctly remember playin g british bulldogs and making dams of streams. not even real streams, mind, but rainwater runoff streams in the school grounds. the gutters by the log'n'mud steps that went down to the playing fields were a favourite. we used to get in almighty hell for damming it up so well that we'd flood the road that crossed said step path abouty half way down, and more commonly the road that was almost at it's beggining.

oh happy day.


as i recall it was banned from being played, along with our home made top trumps games, the spinning of drawing pins and the making of ruler catapaults.
oh, and i think the bulldogs was suspended for a while, but we played rugby at school, so it was all seen as good fun.

those more wise among you may have by now guessed that i sepent some time in prison, or as adults call it, boarding school.

oh hellish day.
 
 
Unencumbered
08:43 / 19.11.03
We were banned from playing Bulldog (boo, hiss) as it was deemed far too rough. Fighting seemed to be OK though.
 
 
Olulabelle
08:45 / 19.11.03
Nice thread Pachinko.

My friends and I also used to have a club called the Doom club, which was a secret witchy club whereby we hid in the shed and made potions. Only, for some reason most of the potions contained gelatin as a vital ingredient - I think we liked mixing it - so the mixtures would all eventually set into highly coloured rubbery disks which were only useful to throw at each other.

One game I recall playing was Red Rover. For those who don't know how to play, a line of children link hands and shout 'Red rover, red rover, let (name of child chosen) cross over.' Named child then had to run at the line, trying to burst through a pair of linked hands. If they can't do it they had to join the line.

We also to used to play hand clapping -I still love this and play it with my son. It's much fun.

Oh, and I am reliably informed by said son that Tag (or 'It' as we used to know it) is now a game called 'Duck Duck Goose.'
 
 
Jack Vincennes
08:52 / 19.11.03
Yes, we played Bulldog until it was banned, at which point we started calling it Red Rover and the school didn't notice for some weeks that it was exactly the same game.

we hid in the shed and made potions
I and one of my friends did this as well, except I believe that we were trying to make patent cleaners as she belived there was more money in this than magic potions. Either way, we kind of enjoyed watching the bubble bath, nail polish remover and talcum poweder settle out into layers...
 
 
Bear
09:02 / 19.11.03
Everyone remembers British bulldogs being banned at their school What was the other really violent game, pretty sure it was blue murder and it involved getting beaten up for your teams secret code word.

Hounds and Hares was cool, huge groups of kids running wild all over estates hunting each other down. Very primal.
 
 
Olulabelle
09:05 / 19.11.03
Is Britsh Bulldog Red Rover then? Well I never knew that!

I think clubs and potion making is a definite child play essential, as is making rose perfume. Rose petals, water, put in bottle, give to Mum, get upset when it goes all brown and horrid.

Pachinko Droog, I don't know why children nowadays don't play so many outside games as we used to, maybe it the fact that the summers were always better when we were little Actually, I think todays culture doesn't allow children the freedom we once had - going out on your bike all day without your Mum knowing where you are just wouldn't be acceptable (or wise) nowadays. It's not that I think there are necessarily more people who want to attack children now, it's just that maybe because of the media we are far more aware of it.

Hmm. I wonder what the statistics are?
 
 
Char Aina
09:11 / 19.11.03
not as long ago as all that i also played a fair few of what we called 'wide games'. that was with scouts mostly, but i recall playing them at school too.
hares and hounds was one of the older ones from school, but more recently we played jazzed up versions like 'terminator' and other such coolness.

there was a wierd one based on crofters rounding up wild cattle and stealing each others from pens.
 
 
Char Aina
09:14 / 19.11.03
Hmm. I wonder what the statistics are?

about one in ten.
adjusted annually for population drift.
 
 
Olulabelle
09:18 / 19.11.03
Ha ha ha.

I meant for how many children were attacked in, say, 1980 as opposed to now.
 
 
40%
09:57 / 19.11.03
'Wide games' - that phrase just brought back a feeling of long-forgotten joy.

What about conkers? There's a game that can affect your sense of status and self-esteem in the playground. I wish I'd played it more now, the sense of symbolic victory in that game is immense.

If you want an academic discussion of play, I recommend the chapter in Desmond Morris's 'People Watching'. It gives a very strong analysis which still retains the essence of the subject i.e. fun.
 
 
Char Aina
10:28 / 19.11.03
i think, regarding the stats of kiddies being abused, there are a few things to consider.

firstly, whether the incidences of abuse have increased in number. thats pretty obvious, and i think its what you were asking. secondly, what we categorise as abuse. there are several acts that are definitely abuse, i reckon, but there are also loads that fall into a grey area. i think a large part of the seeming increase in abusers being caught is due to the classification of abuse changing. violent and sexual acts being perpetrated are obviously abuse, but inapropriate touching and talking are not.
i would argue that they are, as would most people now, but i wonder if our parents would have done in their youth.
thirdly, we need to be aware of the recent changes in attitude that allow and in fact encourage people to speak out about victimisation. many acts of abuse were committed throughout the last ccentury, but have been recently uncovered. (specifically i am thinking within the clergy, but i am sure there are other cases.) the fact that we have this outpouring of accusation means that it seems as though the problem is one of this time. it is, but it is also a problem of the last few years that we have been ignoring and of which we have finally had to take notice.

i guess the short version of what i am saying is i dont think we have a much bigger problem here and now, i do think we are more aware of it and take action to stop it on a more frequent basis.
most parents chose to keep a closer watch on their kids as a result of that awareness.


does anyone here remember childhood friends who were adults and who they think would be 'trouble' in today's parents eys?
i remember a teacher from secondary school(may he rot in piss, the dead bastard) who used to watch the kids in the showers and the bath after rugby. he ostensibly was there to make sure we were quick about it, and to throw rugby balls into the bath to be washed, but i recall his gaze lingering longer than was necessary. i also remember no one challenging such a practise officially.

i also recall a more innocent chap, called pete, who used to be the handy man at my prep school, the boarding school that i mentioned earlier. he used to have a permanent supply of polo mints and as a result had a hamlinesque following of kids at regular intervals. we all thought he was great, and he probably had at least three or four hundred friends in his time there, all under the age of puberty.

would these two have been more likely to be prosecuted in this 'day and age'?
 
 
pachinko droog
16:57 / 19.11.03
Hmmmm. Interesting replies. I think that standards have definitely changed as far as what is considered "acceptable" and what is not, insofar as interpersonal contact is concerned. The whole McMartin preschool Satanic abuse/child molestation scare in the US during the 80's had a lasting impact, to be sure.

Also, we can't forget the degree to which children have been indoctrinated into the "cult of consumerism". Its not just say, increased amounts of time spent in front of the TV or computer, or even playing videogames. One could point to fads like Pokemon, for instance, though I don't know if its still as popular as it once was.

But it seems that the ways in which kids today (I feel so OLD saying that!!!) relate to each other in terms of play/interpersonal relationships is increasingly being mediated by and in terms of what possessions they have.

Which is rather sad. Because it means they've become like their parents.

Hopefully, someday, Grant Morrison will get his wish and be able to produce children's cartoons, so that they can be subverted while they're young.
 
 
ibis the being
18:38 / 19.11.03
Oh, I don't know that kids today are any worse consumers than kids were when I was one. They're savvier, but probably not any more materialistic. Cabbage Patch Dolls anyone? I certainly remember when you were pretty much a total loser if you didn't have a Care Bear (guess who didn't). And the Sears Christmas catalog - the "Wish Book" - seemed to vibrate with magical power when it came in the mail. Maybe that's the thing though - toys, and even TV shows, seemed imbued with magic & imagination... my impression is that kids are more jaded & realistic about things now, but maybe not, who can say?

It's an interesting point, though, about being able to roam free a little more back in the day... I know that I was left to my devices all day long, outside, as long as I was home for dinner and (on the honor system) stayed away from the lake unless I asked permission (and then was still unsupervised). It's not just the child molester thing -- everything is perceived as dangerous now. A scrape is a potential staph infection. A bicycle is a car accident waiting to happen. A lake - Jesus Christ, you might as well save some time and drown your child right now.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
19:36 / 19.11.03
So, the question is : soggy biscuit - urban myth or what??
 
 
40%
19:51 / 19.11.03

Nice thread Pachinko.

Yeah, it really was for a while there (sigh)
 
 
rakehell
02:16 / 20.11.03
I remember reading Grant's text piece at the end of "Best Man Fall" and running to show my brother. We used to play it all the time when we were kids with friends and thought we invented it. We were so completely surprised to find that kids played it in Scotland and that it had a name.
 
 
Baz Auckland
03:10 / 20.11.03
When I was a kid, the British Bulldogs were just a WWF tag-team.

Red Rover was allowed at school.

Did anyone ever play 'Russian or Canadian'? This game was played for the few years we were allowed to play on the snow drifts, which could be up to six feet high. You would mentally decide whether you were Russian or Canadian, run along the top of the drifts with a couple dozen kids, and when you met another, you would shout "Russian or Canadian?". If the kid answered Russian, and you were Russian, you kept running. If he said Canadian and you were Russian, you tried to push him off the snow drift. Oh, that cold war!

Games that my siblings and I invented included 'Bing' and 'Blanket War in the Dark'. Bing consisted of two of us pushing our beds together, so that one of the top corners of the frame touched. We would then jump from one bed to the other, trying to hit each other with pillows in mid-air to knock each other off the beds. Many injuries resulted.

Blanket war in the dark consisted of the four of us covering ourselves in our favourite blankets, turning off the lights, and attacking each other until someone was hurt... ok, typing that just made me break out laughing in a silent library....what a great and painful game.
 
 
The Strobe
07:58 / 20.11.03
Money $hot: as far as I know, definitely not urban myth. I've never played it, simply because I was a day pupil at a boarding school, but, oh the tales...
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
09:22 / 20.11.03
My sister and I used to play Murder in the Dark with our cousins when we went to visit them in their big house, which developed into a number of variations, the only one of which I can remember was that one of us would be the Mummy in the next round who would wake from their sleep once the murderer had got everyone to avenge their deaths and kill the murderer...

In those heady pre-paedophile worrying days of the late 80s/early 90s there was an absolutely amazing wood near our house for games of hide and seek and chase... Chase was a lot better because once seen you could still loose someone, and speed was negated in some parts of the wood. Unfortunately they cut it down to build a sports hall, which then never materialised for some reason. Boo!
 
 
Tryphena Absent
09:41 / 20.11.03
We would all get in a line and the person at the front would run, stop and swing their arm to the left making the line swing round. Invariably the person at the end would let go and fly across the playground. It was banned when one girl almost cracked her head open.

The other game was hide and seek in the wildlife patch, we weren't allowed to go in there so naturally it was the best place to go.
 
 
ibis the being
12:41 / 20.11.03
Tryphena, that's the game we called "Crack the Whip."

We also used to play a game in Brownies (young Girl Scouts) called Fruit Basket. The troop leader would assign us each a fruit, whispering it in our ear, making an equal number of each fruit. Then she'd call "oranges" or whatever, and all the oranges would jump up & switch chairs. The leader joined in, so there was an odd man out, musical-chairs style, and so on.

Did anyone else "play" those not-really-games where you tried to levitate your friends - Light as a Feather, Stiff as a Board (hold your giggles), and the other one where it feels like your arms are being lowered through the floor? These were big favorites at girls' sleepovers.

It took me a minute to figure out "soggy biscuit." Here it was called "ookie cookie." Ew.
 
 
Saveloy
13:15 / 20.11.03
The oddest thing I can remember being into - and one of the earliest - was 'King Richard vs. King Arthur'. My friend Richard was always King Richard (natch) and I was King Arthur. What we actually did, I cannot remember, but I know it involved lots of striding about and shouting at each other, and talking in stout, kingly voices. We would argue endlessly about it which was the better king. It was such an important part of our friendship, in fact, that when I picture my little pal in my mind now, I see him as a 6 yr old with a thick, blonde moustache. [aside: I remember our friendship never being quite the same after I told him that I loved him - well, I did, he was my best friend. He came in to school the next day and said 'I told my mummy and daddy what you said and they said you're "funny".' I don't think either of us knew what that meant exactly, but we both knew it wasn't supposed to be a good thing. Bastards!]

Re: television
I must have started school in '73 or '74 and even then our play was heavily influenced by the telly. From what I can remember, it usually meant taking yer basic chase game and adding an element of acting or mimicry to it, and this would often become more important than the actual chase - for example, kids would informally compete to see who could most faithfully replicate a TV character's move. [Hmmm, there must be a thesis in there, somewhere - TV's influence over play... mimicry... satire... the piss-take generation....]

Anyway, Doctor Who was an early favourite; this usually involved boys pretending to be daleks (continuous screams of 'EXTERMINATE!', stiff right arm representing the gun thingy) chasing girls pretending to be Dr Who's assistant (continuous screams and falling down dead). Every now and then one of us would do the dalek-spinning-out-of-control-and exploding routine. I don't think anyone bothered to be Dr Who himself. Later, we played Speed Cat and Motor Mouse, which was a cheap, funky, 'Tom and Jerry on motorbikes' cartoon by Hannah Barbera. This was another simple chase game that had us zooming up and down the playground, pretending to be on easy rider bikes (loads of wheelies and skids). I remember The 6 Million Dollar Man being massively popular; we'd re-enact the fights, with all the Steve Austin moves being done in slow motion with that flickery eh'eh'eh'eh' noise to denote bionic action coming into effect.

The other big thing back then was WAR. Everybody loved WW2, it filled the toy shops and the TV screen. For some reason we only really played war at home, never at school. Hundreds of hand grenades lobbed over privett bushes, Spitfires chasing Messershmitts (the precise model clearly stated, of course) down suburban avenues. Eee, I'm wandering off into 'jumpers for goal posts' territory now....
 
  
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