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Fashism - or, what clothing rules do you set yourself?

 
  

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Sax
11:43 / 07.11.03
Fashion is a strictly dictatorial business. There are things you just can't do, and many of these are self-imposed.

For example... shoes. Never brown in town, dear.

So what laws do you lay down for yourself? No fewer than three buttons on a suit jacket, ever? No pink with black? No band T-shirts with corduroy?

Here's one: I hate wearing two or more items of clothing by the same designer at the same time. So if I wear my Paul Smith jeans, I can't wear my Paul Smith T-Shirt.

What's yours?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:39 / 07.11.03
If I'm all in black I have to wear brightly coloured shoes.
 
 
pomegranate
13:55 / 07.11.03
oh man when i was about 10, i used to make all sorts of weird rules. my socks had to match my shirt *exactly*; they couldn't even be more than 2 shades off. also i had to wear the same amount of colors, like if i wore a white shirt, red pants, and white shoes w/no socks, i'd have to wear something red in my hair. very weird, i was. it didn't last that long, though, maybe a year.
now i don't mix navy and black, i don't wear fishnets w/short skirts, i don't wear necklaces w/belts (i tend to think less is more in the accessories department), umm i'm sure there's more like that but i just don't think of it really.
 
 
salix lucida
14:50 / 07.11.03
Just because I'm curious to spell these out for myself:

No pink.
No yellow. Ever.
No navy with black.
No brown with black.
No silver with gold. (this includes my backup pair of gold-framed glasses)
No loose shirts with non-oversized pants.

Bright colours must ((be small and match an accessory, trim on another item, or the dyed streak in my hair) || be an intentionally non-matching glut of colour encompassing just about every item I am wearing) && be completely obnoxious.

I think that's all the explicit ones.
 
 
pomegranate
17:04 / 07.11.03
i like black and brown together. many, many colors go well w/brown that most people do not think of. for example, lavender and purple. and pink. but i do not wear pink. or yellow. or gold anything. no no no. (unseelie reminded me.)
 
 
Jack Fear
19:23 / 07.11.03
My fashion sense is pretty conservative, some of it picked up from years in retailing men's clothing, some of it purely instinctive.

Remember, too, that I'm dressing not only myself, but my kids--and I hold them to different rules than my own...

Dress shoes: black or brown only (oxblood in a pinch). Lace-ups are preferred. White shoes are strictly verboten. Only black shoes with a blue suit. Black is also preferred for a black suit. Match your leathers--belt, shoes, and wallet.

For myself, any outfit should have only one (1) brightly-colored/busily patterned focal point in a base of neutrals or warm earth tones.

For anyone: No red or pink with green. Even dark, warm forest green. It's just Wrong.

Only one pattern per outfit--e.g., when wearing a pinstriped suit, the shirt and tie must both be solids, no patterned tie with striped shirt, et cetera.

Trousers should have about an inch of "break" over the shoe-tops.

Accessories: minimal and tasteful for best impact.

Natural fibers whenever possible. Nothing spandex or clingy, ever.

For everyone: no hats indoors, with a very few exceptions where the situation specifically calls for it (i.e., you're (a) playing baseball in a covered stadium, or (b) in synagogue).

For myself: Inasmuch as is possible, no visible logos (the function of clothing is not advertising).

For myself: No T-shirts or other clothing with slogans or graphics (the function of clothing is not the manifesto). Sole exception: my Red Sox ballcap.

More later, maybe.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:13 / 07.11.03
Everything should be black (except your pants and socks which should be lurid) unless you intend making a spectacle of yourself, which can be fun, maybe twice each year.

Shirts might occasionally be coloured. In that case, navy blue or deep purple is permissible. For cheery occasions, patterns on shirts should look as much like a 70's wallpaper pattern as possible.

All of the above instructions to self may be blithely disregarded when the need to get your kilt on becomes to compelling. Kilts should be constructed of one of the hunting / green tartans. "Modern" black or grey or other self-coloured kilts should be burned in public, whilst being worn by their owners.
 
 
gravitybitch
06:20 / 08.11.03
Interesting. There are a bunch of colors I don't wear because my skin tone suffers - warm reds and oranges and yellows... and peach and coral and... you get the idea.

There is no brown in my wardrobe, but that's a "law" rather than an esthetic necessity. Same goes for pastels and frills.

Law II: Leather (or silk) is almost never inappropriate.

Law III: It's better to overdress than underdress...
 
 
Jack Fear
13:58 / 08.11.03
Kilts should be constructed of one of the hunting / green tartans. "Modern" black or grey or other self-coloured kilts should be burned in public, whilst being worn by their owners.

I was always under the impression that one should only wear the specific tartan designated for one's clan, correct? Or are we talking about each clan tartan coming in two varieties? I know about Royal Stewart (red-based) vs. Hunting Stewart (green-based)--is that the standard for all clans?

That said, there are some folks who quite literally can't help wearing ugly tartans--I've looked through the catalogs, and there are some eye-torturing patterns out there. Should these folks be punished for what is quite literally an accident of birth--for being born into the wrong family?

Of course the other option but to wear Black Watch, which can (as I understand it) be worn by anyone in place of hir own tartan: I kind of like that idea--when you join the Black Watch you renounce your family identity, kind of like the tradition of taking false names when joining the French Foreign Legion...
 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:11 / 08.11.03
These supposed rules were invented for Victorian gentry and American tourists, Jack. Most Scots will sort through various "family" tartans to which ancestry, spuriously, entitles them and may wear one of them (I, for instance, wear a hunting version of same -dress- one Ganesh wears, entitlement through some distant MacAncestor).

There is now a "Diana" tartan which was popular for a while and I rather like the SM Gays' (black and blue check, natch) tartan.

In fetish clubs you will see rubber and leather kilts, which are OK I suppose, if you've already given your soul to Satan and have no pride left. Even see the odd transparent plastic one. Sheesh.

I inherited a Dress Royal Stewart which I wore as a boy scout but I disliked the redness of the tartan. The problem is the fuckers are so expensive, it's unlikely you'll have a choice of two or three in your wardrobe. So you plump for one that meets your needs, lie about the justification, and try not to put any weight on.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
10:27 / 09.11.03
Nothing graphic on any item of clothing larger than a 50p peice unless you put it there yourself.

There is nothing cool about wearing a T-shirt that almost says fuck.

Jeans, like coffee should always be black.
 
 
No star here laces
00:16 / 10.11.03
Colour coordination is my biggest rule. I don't rigidly adhere to it - not everything has to match, but I'll usually try to match at least two of the items I'm wearing, and unless I'm really slobbing out, will never wear more than two colours.

Coordination is particularly important for me when it comes to accessories, which have to match the dominant colour theme of the outfit. I will always accessorise if I'm dressing up. It might be as simple as a bandanna tied round the wrist, or a sweatband, but there will always be some kind of accessory present if I've decided its an event.

Accessorise the right side in preference to the left.

I have a thing for powder blue. Particularly in the form of suits.

Never wear red with green. Nor navy with black. Avoid light coloured trousers with dark tops.

Trousers must always bunch slightly on top of shoes.

A hat, when worn, should always colour match with one other item of clothing.

If shirt is worn tucked in, a belt should always be worn.

Shoes should not look too big - i.e. if tight trousers are worn, shoes should be slim fitting and dark coloured so as to be unobtrusive.

Shoes to be Nike wherever possible.

Things I will never wear: combat trousers, trucker hats, trenchcoats, skate shoes, suede shoes of any sort, waistcoats, pleated trousers, topsiders, doctor martens, fishing hat/sunhat/remi hat, round sunglasses, ripped jeans (unless its that semicircle at the back where they slip under my shoes, or unless they were bought that way i.e. designer rips), velvet, paisley, calvin klein, versace, armani, river island, fubu, and loads more...
 
 
Char Aina
07:31 / 10.11.03
Accessorise the right side in preference to the left.


why?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
08:26 / 10.11.03
Never wear red with green... look here Jack and 'Laces, it's all very well to say that but at Christmas time when you're dressed as an elf you can't adhere to these kind of rules!!

Furthermore I have a pair of powder blue suede ankle boots with 3" heels. Are you sure you'd never wear suede shoes?
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
14:43 / 10.11.03
Suede desert boots are good. Two holes only of course.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
14:58 / 10.11.03
Things that are evil and must be immolated,pref. with wearer:

pedal-pushers, tapered-leg trousers, blouses(except v.occasionally on men), pastels of any description, frillyness, polo shirts, chino's, crushed velvet.

Things i will always wear: striped clothing, especially electric blue/black, pink/black. Colours: head to toe or in combination: red, black, pink, (camo in moderation, preferably with something sparkly), turqouise, white, silver/shiny/lurex/metallic.

Trousers should be lo-o-o-ng, preferably falling over shoes (may become ripped to shreds, but this is fine.)
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:09 / 10.11.03
Aah but crushed velvet is a lovely material for the right kind of dress and pedal pushers are marvellous on people with the kind of legs that you want to bite (not too fat mind or too thin, one has to be discerning).
 
 
Scrubb is on a downward spiral
17:49 / 10.11.03
Madam, I refer you to my entirely fabulous pale pastel blue over-sized v-neck sleeveless mohair top with diamante strips...

For me, since the weight gain of recent years, nothing with any degree of flounce/detail/LEDs around the waistline.

And never, never square-toed boots and shoes. Round or pointy only. The winter of 98 was a taxing time to be shod in.
 
 
gingerbop
21:08 / 10.11.03
Hmm. Rules. I dont like them.

But generally, low waists- anything above an inch below my belly button irritates me and makes me look shorter-waisted. And like someone said, clothes arent for advertising. And get noticed, most of the time. But other than that, not many rules.

I have lost some amount of respect for Jefelaces. Nike over Dr Ms? Are.you.taking.the.piss?

Tartans are silly. Mine is apparently the Menzie tartan. Where the fuck did that come from, was someone very deaf? No idea what colours it is.
 
 
No star here laces
23:32 / 10.11.03
You'd better believe I'm not.

DMs are the foul ugly footwear of the ruling classes. Nike is the elegant proletarian shoe of the revolution. Just do it, comrade.
 
 
at the scarwash
01:58 / 11.11.03
Always wear a belt if what you're wearing has beltloops. Defines the parallel ground/hip line. No logos. No tapers in the legs of trousers. Trousers must fall over the shoes just so. No ironic T-shirts, unless they can be justified by some kind of personal or aesthetic attachment, i.e. I can wear my vintage Sienkiewicz New Mutants T because i like the art and care about the comic. I can wear my Hawaiian sunset shirt with "Debra" on the back because it's such a lovely shade of blue.

Always single breasted suits, preferably three+ buttons. No regimental-striped ties.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
09:14 / 11.11.03
Accessorise the right side in preference to the left.

Because. (no pics, but not neccessarily worksafe.)
 
 
Jack Vincennes
11:35 / 11.11.03
No slogan t-shirts. I would probably imagine that people are looking at me and narrowing their eyes and thinking Oh, you think you're so funny, don't you? -and then there'd be the feeling that I'd always have to live up to the slgoan.

The latter paranoia came mainly from someone I saw in an airport, trying to co-ordinate two children under five into a departure gate, wearing an fcuk 'je suis horny' tshirt. Had I been trying to get two kids onto a flight -furthermore, if I had to sit with them for the duration of a flight -I would be markedly less than horny. In fact, the only reason I'd be going to the airport toilets (other than the obvious) would be to cry, and that a great deal.

Sometimes I think that I take things rather too literally.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
14:26 / 11.11.03
No pointy shoes. No spike heels either.

No yellow-based colours (i.e. pinks, greens etc. must have cool tones), though given that I rarely buy anything that isn't black this really isn't a huge issue.

Nothing boxy and nothing short in the body. But longer-length tops only with long skirts.

No college scarves! And no neon.

Gingerbop - yes, tartans are silly. I am told that mine is the Gordon clan one. I have no idea why this should be.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
17:57 / 12.11.03
Florals need to be bold/bright.

Kat: may i extend that to 'no college clothes'? ugh.

after a Bi gathering last night:

Bisexuals have dyed red hair/wear red and black, *alot*.

(this is a gooooood thing.)
 
 
Jester
20:35 / 12.11.03
No shoes that hurt.
Trousers preferably baggy and/or flared, and slightly too long.
No brand advertising.
Nothing that says 'Punk' or 'Rock' on it.
Everything must be comfortable, and fit.

But the big thing is stripes. I love them. On everyone, and in every form except for the current/just over retro 80s slash neck t-shirt kind. All stripes appeal to me on some level but especially if they are all the same thickness and horizontal and monochromatic or of well chosen colours.
 
 
Lurid Archive
22:04 / 12.11.03
I never wear polka-dot after May day and also avoid combining it with biege footwear. Pink can only be considered at weekends except during July which is a wacky-zany month when some, if not all, the rules are reversed.

I avoid corduroy if it is too hot and though it is classic in brown, I find it doesn't suit me. This is gonna sound a bit daring, but my corduroy has to be navy blue.

My college tie always demands a white shirt and blazer, natch. Though I'm not totally rigid about my dress code. I'm glad that the days of full sub fusc are behind me, I can tell you!
 
 
Olulabelle
15:50 / 13.11.03
I never wear polka-dot after May day...

Please, please let this be true.
 
 
gingerbop
19:42 / 13.11.03
DMs are the foul ugly footwear of the ruling classes. Nike is the elegant proletarian shoe of the revolution. Just do it, comrade.

DMs are beautiful and funky and comfy and everything that I want to sing about. As for ruling classes... course nobody from Nike would *dream* about ruling over any child labourers or anything. Nor do they use a slogan that is so horrendously general, that Im suprised it continues to mean anything to anyone.

Any yes, BiP, I am wearing a red and black tshirt with undyed red hair. *sighs at sterotyped self*. But usually Im a pink and black girl, cause red tends to clash with the hair. When I first met my supervisor at work (when I was just passing thru the shop, and somehow she knew who i was), I was wearing a black tshirt, pink mini-skirt, black tights, pink legwarmers and purple docs, carrying a pink and purple bag. She asked my friend if I was "a bit eccentric", and was shocked when i came in and was a shy little mouse.
 
 
No star here laces
23:19 / 13.11.03
I can fight the good fight for Nike for a long time, y'know.

The semiotics of footwear:

Doctor Martens: skinheads, art students, public schoolboys, yellow and black = wasps, ankle boots=restrictive, repressive, slow, clumpy, old fashioned.

Nike: athletes, black people, hip hop, movement, freedom, grace, skill, artistry, design, technology, progress, speed.

Choose the sexy silver shoe of freedom! Don't imprison your feet in a cell made of creaky leather with dubious cultural associations!

Nikes are better for running away from the police in! Nikes give you more colour options! Nikes allow you to fine-tune your micro-genre signals! (Air Force Ones? Dunks? Wovens? Split-toes? Air Max 95s? Be who you want to be!)

Just Do It is an anthem to freedom and possibility. It doesn't matter who you are - just do it!

Forget the filipino workers. Everything you buy is made on the cheap in sweatshop conditions! I know, because I live in south east asia! And anyway, even if you buy everything else from fair trade, nike is worth making an exception for!

The revolution will not be televised, but it will be wearing Nike and it will be blogged.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
08:35 / 14.11.03
I don't wear Nike or DM's... one is the result of terrible working conditions, the other is the Thatcherite era shoe. I own shoes from: Adidas, Vagabond, Dune, Ravel, Barratts, Office, KG and only because I don't have enough money to buy all of my footwear from Mistress in Covent Garden. God I love that shop. I think both of you have very askew views of shoes, you need to start looking at your footwear from a different perspective.
 
 
sleazenation
11:12 / 14.11.03
DM's... the Thatcherite era shoeTryphena - would you mind unpacking that a bit for us?
 
 
Quantum
11:41 / 14.11.03
For me, no branded sportswear (preferably no brands at all), and don't wear socks with sandals
I am a simple creature and a fashion nightmare.
 
 
salix lucida
20:26 / 14.11.03
ah.. and no tennis shoes, save a single pair of hideously-coloured Sketchers for workout-in-a-place-that-requires-shes purposes only.

DMs, grinders, off-brand dress shoes, sandals, and the infamous Goth Flops.

And dammit... my favourite tshirts are black and red.. but my hair is black, hah! (this is only because i look silly with red hair. le sigh.)
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:01 / 15.11.03
Dr. Marten's were big in the 1980's. The girl with the pink mohican who used to hang out around Woolworth's in Finchley used to wear them. So they'll always be associated with Thatcher in my mind.
 
  

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