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JFK: Human Sacrifice?

  
 
Salamander
22:06 / 03.11.03
I've been playing with the idea that JFK was actually a human sacrifice for the powers that be to seize control. Many accuse our founding fathers to be Illuminatuses or whatnot. But I think they we're actually on the side of liberty and all that. our nation could have been protected by spells that prevented such facists from taking control. But after WWII, Nazis, who were known to be occultists of the diabolical sort, wormed they're way into our goverments power structure. Eighteen years later, BLAM! Kennedy, our nations boy king, our sun king, had his head blown off in a purposefully sloppy manner. The bigger the lie, the more they (the people) will want to believe it. Suddenly the door was opened and the demon hordes let in. They were free to work they're dark alchemy, turning the blood of our nations children into gold. And it still continues.
 
 
grime
23:18 / 03.11.03
the constitution and bill of rights being similar to viral meme-spells?

neat idea, what do you think weakened america's defenses?
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
07:37 / 04.11.03
It works on a mythological level in a country that runs on myths why not on a magickal level as well. If there is a difference. This sounds interesting as hell.
 
 
illmatic
07:53 / 04.11.03
This is a fun essay: King Kill 33: Masoic Symbolism in the Assasination of JFK. It's hypothesis is that the assasination was really a Masonic ritual. It's a bit mad but interesting.

An extract: The fertility and death symbolism in the "Killing of the King" rite which is part of Greening Ritualism that has to do with JFK, has been suppressed because examination of it must necessarily link it to "Freemasonry" and its mysticism, as well as to the political influence it exerts.

I started a thread, or chipped into one, about a book I'd read on JFK a while back. I think it was in Switchboard - can anyone remember where it was?
 
 
Shanghai Quasar
10:09 / 04.11.03
I've put on my tinfoil hat.

Kennedy as a human sacrifice is an intriguing concept, yes, but I find the intent to be flawed. It was the likes of Kennedy and his forebearers who brought these Nazis into the apparatus in the first place, a bulwark against Soviet Communism (who, if we wish to believe it, were experimenting in their own dark magic and I've no doubt still are).

Who stands the most to gain from this ritual? The immediate effect is the continuation of the Vietnam War. Countless dead when it closes, the Vietnam War ends up falling apart due to military incompetence and prolonged outbursts of opposition, courtesy highly vocal protesters, some of them guided by new ideals for the postwar world.

The New gets a brief kick in this whole process before being devoured (mostly by itself, partially by Soviet Communism). Small headway is gained, but the ideology begins to fall flat in the face of the Old-Made-New. Attempts at resurgency of the New-Now-Old are eventually countered by the Old-Made-New.

Back to JFK, we can attempt to trace the reasons now that we know the result. Determining the Cause by judging the Effect.

Two good options: JFK is sacrificed by the Old to keep their projections on track OR JFK is sacrificed by the New to bring their world into being.

Two bad options: JFK is breaking the rules of his contract, suffers blacklash for his folly OR JFK is sacrificed by Nixon to improve his standing.

Two unlikely options: JFK is sacrificed by the Catholic Church to survive the tide of the New OR JFK is self-sacrificed to fuel the push into space.

As to turning the blood of the nation's children into gold, that's about every war America has ever participated in (and every war any country, city-state, kingdom, etc. have participated in), be the intent good or ill. Labour given physical form as currency flows out of every pore.
 
 
_Boboss
11:28 / 04.11.03
human sacrifice no, downhill car-race, yes
 
 
Aertho
14:48 / 04.11.03
Oh pish Khal...

JFK is a damn idea now and his assassination made it so. He stands directly between the era of the Moon and the era of the Sun. Of course his death -transformation into an idea- spurred the space race, civil rights and social rebellion. It's not a direct line, and don't try to think of it as a straight line either.
 
 
_Boboss
15:04 / 04.11.03
hey?

i don't get you with the direct line thing, sorry - i was just being glib [surprise] and quoting ballard [surprise again]

y'know: zapruder as the first pornographer, 'the world's first taste of crucified grace' [manic street preachers] and all that.

just a bit surprised none of you would have gone into that kind of alterna-history analysis from a magickal perspective considering its position [up til a couple years ago] as the biggest thing to happen to your nation's history. guess maybe all the oliverstone conspiracying made it seem uncool for a while.

and sorry to break it down too much, but johnson ordered the [failed] hit, but the killer bullet came from an ss guy in the car ahead who accidentally misfired when he pulled his own gun out after hearing the first shots. hence the cover-up, to protect the innocent servant of state who killed the favourite son. fuckup rules again.
 
 
Aertho
15:13 / 04.11.03
and in retrospect, I spoke seemingly harsh...

I was being glib as well, and my addition to the discussion was basically asking whether there had to be an exectutioner in the sacrifice at all. Whether it was a fuckup or a magic bullet, the man died, leaving a hole where the Great American Hope was. Globally, people rose to cover the scab -and in so doing, accelerated the growth of reason and passion in Pop Culture. JFK's death has meaning, just as all sacrifices did.

Eight years left! Bring it on!
 
 
Salamander
16:18 / 04.11.03
Make no mistake, JFK was a threat to the establishment. He was a threat because of his liberal social policies and he was a threat because he was going to end the vietnam war. But ask yourself. People had to of known what he was going to do before he got elected. Then why did the establishment allow it to happen. Because his death in such a gory and public manner would have been more than a message to others, it was a paradigm changing spell that is still felt today. Sure there was more activism after he died. But it was more desperate, it was paniced, a reaction made in shock were as before it was still a more democratic process. I forget, did the weathermen come before or after JFK's death? Now, does anyone think that the type of people who would do this wouldn't slaughter one of there own? And as for war, vietnam was the second war we got into that was actually profitable, can anyone identify the first?
 
 
Shanghai Quasar
17:59 / 04.11.03
I'll take off the tin foil hat now.

In the first place, President Kennedy's administration saw a marked increased the number of military advisors in Vietnam: 900 to 15,000+. The played out argument that Kennedy was going to quit Vietnam should be considered false in the face of political realities of the time. The non-public order to recall 1,000 of those "advisors" was an attempt by the Kennedy Administration to spook Ngo Dinh Diem into falling into line with American wishes. Ol' Diem was cracking down on adversaries and the public, creating a great deal of resentment towards him and the South Vietnam government. Kennedy's action was part of a long-term strategy to sort out a government in Saigon that could win the war.

For his part, Diem was oustered (assassinated) in early November '63 during a military coup. This Vietnam military coup d'etat came with US approval.

For his part, Kennedy said it best himself the day he died: "In the past 3 years we have increased the defense budget of the United States by over 20 percent; increased the program of acquisition for Polaris submarines from 24 to 41; increased our Minuteman missile purchase program by more than 75 percent; doubled the number of strategic bombers and missiles on alert; doubled the number of nuclear weapons available in the strategic alert forces; increased the tactical nuclear forces deployed in Western Europe by over 60 percent; added five combat ready divisions to the Army of the United States, and five tactical fighter wings to the Air Force of the United States; increased our strategic airlift capability by 75 percent; and increased our special counterinsurgency forces which are engaged now in South Viet-Nam by 600 percent."

Also consider that the key figures in the construction of Kennedy's foreign policy were shifted along into the Johnson Administration... and... and... I could continue to argue until my face turns blue on this matter, but it ain't magic... so... back to the magical angles of this beast?

I want to chuckle about the way that Kennedy won the 1960 election with Republicans making the big fuss in the way that Democrats did when Bush won in 2000. The Old-Becomes-New and the New-Becomes-Old.

The Students for a Democratic Society, from where the Weatherman Underground (a.k.a. Weathermen, Weather Underground, etc.) sprung, was founded in 1960. Weatherman itself didn't come into being until 1969-1970. Unless there is some temporal paradox in play, I can't imagine they were involved in the Kennedy Assassination.

Also, Kennedy as the human sacrifice... by Luciferian Masons? James Shelby Downard and/or Michael A. Hoffman II know their material. Cheers for posting the link (since I didn't say so earlier)!

My brain is gurgling. I'll need some air before I can go on. Humble apologies.
 
 
Salamander
20:07 / 04.11.03
Now I'll admit that there was an increase in war expenditures at the time, but if your argueing that the president has actual control of the military, then that would be a devistating arguement, which it is. As for the weatherman comming in 1969-70 from SDS, which formed in 1960, that just proves what I said about the antiestablishment movements. Before JFK, idealists, after, desperate, more and more so as time moved on I imagine, right up to the 68 chicago convetion, no temporal anomalies needed. And as for satanic masons, I never identified WHO, I just identified what, or at least posited the possibility of what. And maybe kennedy was with the very people who blew his brain all over dealy plaza, like I said, would his own people care he was there own? A human sacrifice doesn't need to agree with the politics or the beliefs of his killers, he just needs to die.
 
 
Shanghai Quasar
17:09 / 06.11.03
Define "actual" control of the military. The President is the Commander-in-Chief of the United States Military (Army, Navy, Marines, etc.) and has to authorise major military actions. He's the bloke that signs their pay vouchers into being after the expenditures are approved by Congress and Senate. President Kennedy would have been no different than any other president with regard to their authority and influence over military matters.

As to the SDS and Weatherman, this increasing agitation/impatience may have more to do with the general failure to force the government into pulling out of the Vietnam War. Getting into that whole cluster would become very confusing quickly, since we've got overlapping issues aside from Vietnam muddling up the mix. We'll just agree that there was an increasing sense of desperation as time went on.

The Luciferian Masons comment was for Ill, not you. I know you didn't identify them as the ones responsible.

OK, back to the slab!

We've identified some possible reasons for sacrificing Kennedy, very interesting ones at that. Let's focus on expanding some of those notions for a while, or just throwing new ideas into the mix.

Of course, from the looks, it may just be Hermes and I doing all the talking, but that's fine with me.

Let's roll!
 
  
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