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Goodness Gracious Meme
16:58 / 30.10.03
Life has suddenly become very stressful, and i'm carrying alot of anger.

Basically this struck me as a good place to ask for techniques for processing anger. I can feel it right now, as a kind of hot cramping pain in my abdomen,i feel twisted up and ultra-tense.

Counselling is invaluable, have talked to a couple of friends, and will do more of this, but any suggestions of day-to-day things i can do will be massively appreciated.
 
 
cusm
17:15 / 30.10.03
Anger is rooted in frustration. Frustration is a blockage, you are prevented from fulfilling your desires. Anger is one response to frustration. If you can change your response to frustration, you can help reduce anger. Things springing immediately to mind are accepting that things you are unable to change and not dwelling upon them, withdrawing atempts to enforce your will in areas it is unable to have effect, and accepting change (or its lack). Shift from Gebura towards Chesed, in quabalistic terms.

But of more immediate use: breathe. The body has a built in stress reduction and relaxation response to exhaling. Make use of it. Visualizations of energy running down into the ground or even letting go of specific things that are stressing you while releasing a nice, slow, deep exhale will help a good bit.
 
 
LVX23
17:32 / 30.10.03
Cusm, again you're one step ahead of me.

Breathe, Bengali, and pay attention to the breath. Dwell in it as it rises and falls. You can start with 4 big cycles of breathing in as deeply as possible, then slowly exhaling as much as possible. After this just watch your breath attentively. This is a very grounding excercise and can remedy anger and stress with continued use.
 
 
illmatic
17:43 / 30.10.03
Sorry to hear that hon, hope the below helps a little:

One idea might be to seperate the elements of mind and body a little - and stop and relax each one in turn. Firstly, try and listen to ongoing mental denunciation of whoever it is (it may be directed against your self - the idea still applies) and try and get it to stop. Regard it as a pattern or a self fulfilling loop that's playing over and over again, reinforcing itself. It's a series of habitual words in your head, rather than being the essential you. See if you can stop it, change the tone of voice or the content. Let it simmer down. You can then look at the tensions in your body, all our feelings have specific internal dialogues, postures and tensions associated - you could either a) try and reconfigure the bodily tensions you have as a differen feeling ie. fear can become excitement quite easily. Anger might become some sort of arousal? Not sure with that one but you get the idea - or b) relax the tensions away - assume a different posture, consciously let go with the belly, shoulders, what have you, tense and release. That sort of thing works for me, not that I rememember to do it all the time. Or indeed that we should do it all the time. A bit of indulgence might be fruitful. It's just reinforcing the recogniton that you are not that thing, rather that's soemthing that is passing through the trinity of your mind, body and emotions. I did an ongoing meditation on anger and a variety of other emotions for a while which was quite effective.

Another technique might be too try and contemplate whatever it is that's making you angry from a different perspective. Austin Spare refered to this as generating free belief. I'd tried this with people I've really hated at work and for instance, in the middle of a vicous mental denuncation, have imagined how they might appear as a loving parent to their kids or lover to their partner or whatever. This reinforces the fact that what you're feeling isn't the objective truth, it's a product of your own subjectivity - and in some way, you are keeping it going or contributing to it by holding certain fixed ideas about them or some certain course of action - by for instance being particularly obstinate at work, sticking to your job description etc Having the idea in mind that each person is just seeking happiness in their own peculair (sometimes very peculair) way helps me with this. With the free belief thing, Spare suggests if you can keep this going to continual oppose your ideas with opposites, until you're left with nothing but free floating pool of arousal and energy, not focused on anything which he would then use to charge sigils.

Anyway, hugs hon, hoep you're okay and hope to see you tomorrow.
 
 
Chiropteran
18:23 / 30.10.03
I have to second (or fourth? fifth? how far along are we?) the suggestions about breathing.

I was working through some long-standing problems, not so much with anger specifically as with emotional impulse control in general, and I found that Pranayama (more or less: breathing yoga) was extremely effective for me. I started noticing very positive changes in a remarkably short time (a couple days) - borderline depression, avoidant behavior, inappropriate outbursts and emotional reactions, "being difficult," insomnia, road rage (!!), some mild compulsive behavior, and a highly distracting level of sexual frustration all seemed to evaporate within a couple weeks of moderately consistent practice (15-20 minutes either at waking or right before sleep, occasionally both).

I can't, of course, guarantee that you'd have the same experience - still, it might be worth looking at.

I'm sure there are plenty of pranayama/breathing resources out there, but my main resource was at (appropriately enough) www.pranayama.org. It's run by, if I remember correctly, a sect of Jewish Yogis (or something like that). The exercises are quite good, and the writing is fairly reasonable (compared to some of what's out there...), but there's a bit of rigamarole to go through to get to them. If you don't want to bother with it, I'm sure Google(-watch.org) will turn up something useable.

Either way, pranayama/breathing can be a great tool for developing calmth [sic] and self-control. It should, of course, be used in conjunction with the other advice about finding the sources of your anger - sorta like combined drug and talk therapy in conventional psychology. The pranayama can help clear your head enough to dig through the problem for a lasting solution.
 
 
captain piss
20:36 / 30.10.03
hugs, mate- sorry to hear
Trying to think of some rage management methods... finding the person that's preoccupying you and saying your piece (if there is one)?- I suspect that option would have been explored already, if it was practical...hmm

Illmatic- that's fascinating that stuff you mention about generating free belief, a la Spare. Would that work with worry as well? I'm currently wrestling with a nameless sense of imminent doom and foreboding-can't think what it's ab-AAAAAAAAGH! (Ho ho -not). Anyway...

Seconded on the pranayama, Lepidopteran - I tried this a couple of years ago and it introduced peace of mind almost like switching on a light- really impressive. I'm currently off it, btw, as I've kind of thrown myself into doing the Alexander technique, as alternative therapy of the minute (to help with arthritis type stuff) and there's a bit of a dogma within that system that fucking about with your breathing in any way is unnatural and bad...anyway, sorry to interupt the thread
 
 
Seth
21:29 / 30.10.03
The best technique I've encountered for getting rid of anger is taking a baseball bat or sledgehammer and pounding the shite out of something. For as long as it takes for you to enter chaotic, murderous trance state.

I'm not joking.

In my first job I was given the job of disposals: taking items out of the skip and trashing them beyond recognition so that customers didn't take them to the till and try to claim a refund on things they haven't paid for. Over the space of two days I utterly destroyed around six-seven thousand pounds worth of faulty stock, and it felt trascendent. My hands still show the scars from where they were ripped apart from flying shards of cast-iron barbecues and bits of electric drills.

Nothing can describe how good the feeling was. My muscles burned, there were knots the size of apples between my spine and shoulder blades, I was lightheaded, I couldn't even think of eating. Everything I looked at was outlined in black, the colours were intense, the focus too sharp. But my anger left me for around a year or so. See if there's a junkyard where the owners won't mind a bit of mental primal scream violence therapy.

Alternatively, learn drums - either kit or hand drums. The worse you are at actually playing them, the better. Smash yourself on them until the lactic acid feels like it's causing permanent damage, until your ears are shrieking and distorting, until your forearms lock in place, until you draw blood and drench yourself in sweat. If the kit isn't worth much then you could always trash it afterwards (there are ways of doing this without causing it too much damage).

Speaking in Tongues is also superb for dealing with any extreme emotional state that you want rid of. Once learned it's instantly accessible, simple, and produces results within about five seconds. There's virtually nothing I recommend more. Let me know if you wanna hear more about it.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
23:48 / 30.10.03
wow. thanks heaps all.

After opting for the 'talking cure' via phone calls to good nurturing friends all evening I'm feeling much more balanced and grounded.

But the stuff I'm dealing with is big and the angers' sure to recur(and I recognise actually that I need to allow myself to be angry, and it's quite a new emotion for me, on my on behalf, and against the person in question) and I'll certainly try out some of your suggestions.

Thanks again all, I really appreciate the help.

One thing I am gonna to tomorrow is go to the beach and throw stones into the sea until I'm exhausted. FlowersLady got me doing this a while ago and it was great. Thought I share that, as I found it amazingly useful.

Also going to work on some body stuff my counsellor suggested regarding breathing/sitting/positioning self in grounding/stabilising postures...(she's got a Gestlat slant) Found this really helpful in a session.
 
 
Quantum
10:29 / 31.10.03
I was going to say breathe, I was going to say trash something, I was going to say sit on the beach... beaten to it.
All I have left to recommend is laughing, if the rage starts to build forcing yourself to laugh is a good emergency release valve. It may only work temporarily but it will stop you losing it. Taking a deep breath and laughing works wonders for me, fury abates in the face of levity.
 
 
illmatic
10:57 / 31.10.03
Sounds to me like it's valid and useful, BiP. There's lot of stuff in psychanlaytical material about surpressed anger emerging in therapy and elsewhere, as I'm sure you're aware. Might be interesting to add this idea to the discussion - to recongise valid anger that has been held back because we're all to fucking polite, conditoning, upbringing etc vs. irrational anger, inappropriate or dehabilitating responses. It could be argued in fact that the former leads to the latter - ie. you're angry at you're boss - that night you snap at your girlfriend. Interesting distinction, I think. Relates to woman's issues as well - though I'd rather a woman commented on it than me - Reich and others have argued that women have a lot of armouring/surpression around the expression of aggression and rage.

Perhaps what the men here could think about is how we react when we're confronted with a woman who does this? Are we complict in this surpression in any way? How do we react when challenged by women?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
12:09 / 31.10.03
Ill: could you point me at the stuff Reich says about this?

It's not a terribly controversial position....Another way of forumalating this, is that at this point in history/culture, speaking broadly, women are socialised into not outwardly expressing anger, it's not considered feminine/appropriate....

(You only need to look for example at response to the early suffragettes, or Riot Grrrl, to see how challenging the notion of powerful, righteously angry femininity is)

And so if it's there(and in any balanced person, i'd argue all emotions surface at times, and most people will encounter situations in which anger is the best response) it's sublimated, supressed. Often it's turned inward...


Maybe that exacerbates/intertwines with the process of anger arising from blockage/frustration?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
12:32 / 31.10.03
ill, might also be useful to examine how men's relationship/defences are set with regard to anger... are men (generalising/at this point etc) more able to express anger? I'm thinking that there's a whole prohibition on men expressing emotion, which can work just as well in checking useful anger/turning it inwards?
 
 
illmatic
13:03 / 31.10.03
BiP - I can't recall the exact references right now but will plough through some stuff over the weekend and let you know next week. I seem to recall he links it into "holding back" - expressed in bodily terms as tension between the shoulder blades and in the shoulders (and elsewhere obviously - armouring unique for each individual and never just in one place). Might be something on this in Lowen's Bioenergetics> Lowen certainly recommends bashing fuck out of stuff to free it up a la Seth above.

I would say - huge generalisations obviously - that men are socialised more into being aggressive/ being "hard", and have problems instead in the expression of loving and tender emotions. I certainly do anyway, though I'm better than I used to be. I'm aware of the way I "use" aggression as well - when I'm challenged/ am finding things difficult, I find it very easy to blame others and get very angry with them, real head of steam. (the internal dialgue starts cycling FUKKENCUNTFUKKENCUTNFUKKENCUNT)- helps me avoid responsibility sometimes, and can be very limiting when I don't let go of this. Some women I know, both friends and partners, seem to find it easier to blame and get angry at, themselves. Would anyone else like to comment on this? How do you use anger?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:38 / 31.10.03
again, being broad about this, the little i know about gender&body language/body pyschotherapy suggests that women curl inwards/crunch up/slouch, which makes them smaller *and* weakens the trunk/torso, one of the sources of strength.

It's part of a discouragement of physical strength in women.

Personally, I've found doing trapeze/gaining strength, has done wonderful things for my confidence.
The principle of using physical work to imbue confidence is well-known and used in many therapeutic circles, especially in feminist/women's mental healtb work.

Fallen Angel's the perosn to ask about this, but The Women's Circus in Australia (Melbourne, i think) is founded on this principles.

Also, things like crossing legs, sitting or standing, much more common in women(partly due to ladylike covering of genetalia) weakens one's connection to the ground, makes the physical foundations wobbly...

me and anger? ha. I've only in the last few years even been able to admit to myself that I have it. so I'm probably not yr most balanced example. Will turn in inward, or at the wrong person/focus, 9 times out of 10. Just learning that *some* anger is healthy, and it's expression is okay

(oh, and inanimate voyeur, the suggestion re tackling the person is a good one, and i have touched on it,but it's with someone with whom i have a looooong history of no communication, and someone who's deeply defended/passive-aggressive. I'm recognising that a big part of the anger is loss-based, as i'm having to accept that i'm never going to have the kind of relationship I want with this person.

So yeah, as someone said uptop in this thread, I guess I'm in process of accepting what I can't change. and that's deeply upsetting. And annoying(what do you meeaan i can't have exactly what i want?))
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:41 / 31.10.03
oh, and i can now see the I've substituted unreasonable debiltating anger for healthy anger *alot* in the past. Like as i can't/won't admit to my anger/pain on the deep level, i wait for a stupid excuse to get angry and then really lose it, the anger's been there all along, simmering and going sour...
 
 
Papess
13:57 / 31.10.03
In case nobody noticed my mild rampaging lately, I want to say thank you for starting this thread BiP, as I truly need this information.

I find doing stuff for others helps a bit, when I am not being a complete bitter, jaded freak.

Thanks all.
 
 
SMS
15:21 / 31.10.03
Anger is not usually my worst problem, but, where I have problems, I have found talking about them at any great length to be remarkably unhelpful.

What has helped, in addition to meditation and so on, is making myself useful. People are naturally social animals and I really believe that one of the best ways to relieve stress is to do whatever you can to help others. And to accept help when offered. It's necessary to keep this kind of thing balanced: you don't want to make yourself subservient to others, but the opposite: to be useful is to be powerful. So balance is necessary. Helping with charitable organizations might be a good place to start, because many of them don't complicate the rest of your life. You can go help prepare food for a food kitchen or something, and then leave it completely.
 
 
SMS
15:23 / 31.10.03
Um. I hadn't noticed Trix's last post there.
 
 
macrophage
12:55 / 06.11.03
I'd be the last person to give advice as I'm a fucking grumpy twat but I think TV should be free and comedy should be on 24 hrs a day since I love my electrovalium - yum yum. I like to disappear for a bit to try and calm down so I can give the old meditation a look-in. Someone once told me that you should also have something to take your anger out on - like a pillow if it gets too much??? Or mebbe a dummy of Tony Blair????!!!!
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:29 / 06.11.03
When I get angry it's really a sense of WHAM, irrational and sudden rage. I lash out at the people who are obligated to forgive me and blame them for absolutely everything and then I get guilty but I think that it's better that I don't just stifle it. Usually it's because I feel like people are lumping responsibility on to me and I have a real issue with having too much control in my personal life. Emotional responsibility for others particularly stresses me out.

I think Western thinking doesn't help with things like anger, our perceptions of our bodies takes on this Cartesian frame of reference which I perceive as really unhelpful and yeah, things like meditation really help to redress the separation between our minds and bodies. I think I've always used the 'ground and centre' method when I've been freaking out or feeling really disconnected from everything. Sitting on the floor with my legs crossed in front of me- spine utterly straight and a line of energy going through me and down in to the ground while controlling my breathing. It helps my body and mind know that I'm on the earth with everything else and there's more happening than just me. Imagining this kind of exchange with all the different elements... it's kind of Wiccan but then that had to be good for something!
 
 
illmatic
17:00 / 09.11.03
I am anal-retentive Memory Boy.
From Alexander Lowen's "Bioenergetics", in a section on "hangups" (p. 189):

"A common hangup in women is represented by the dowager's or widow's hump which is a mass of stissue that accumulates just below the seventh cervical vertebra at the junction of the neck, shoulders and trunk The protruberance derives it's name from the fact that that it is rarely seen in young women but is not uncommon in older ones. From it's appearance, I call this a meat hook hangup because it seems that a meat hook would produce such a configuartion. (dodgy diagram follows).
The location if the hump is the point where the feeling of anger would flow out upwards into th arms and upward into the head. In animals, such as cat or a dog, the feeling of anger is manifested by the erection of hair along the spine and by the arching out of the back. Darwin pointed this out in the The Expression of Emotion in Man and Amimals.My reading of the body tells me the hump is produced by the pileup of repressed anger. It's occurence in older women indicates that it represents the gradual piling up unexpressed anger as a result of a lifetimes frustration. Many older women have a tendency to become shorter and heavier as they pull into themselves with increasing years.
I shoukld make it clear that what is blocked is the physical expression of anger in hitting, not it's verbal expression. Some dowagers or widows are noted for their sharp tounge.
My analysis of the problem represented by the hump is that it involves a conflict between an attitude of submission - that is being a good girl to please father and family and stong feelings of anger and sexual frustration that such an attitude entails."


Make of that what you will. I'd just add that in the various accounts of therapy I've read, inability to express ander isn't just confined to women. Most therapists use the amount of aggression patients can mobilise, to say, to hit the couch, as a kind of diagnostic Lowen recommends bashing fuck out of the couch with a tennis racket to get these feelings loose expressed.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:30 / 11.11.03
>> The best technique I've encountered for getting rid of anger is taking a baseball bat or sledgehammer and pounding the shite out of something. For as long as it takes for you to enter chaotic, murderous trance state.

Honestly, this would be one of my strongest suggestions as well, in addition to therapy/counseling, journaling, etc. I've got some similar anger issues and doing the tennis racket, stones, pelting your bed or couch with a pair of jeans, jumping up and down and yelling at whatever/whoever you're angry at like angry mosh pit dancing, etc. thing can really, really help. Anything that lets you physically get the anger out without hurting yourself (instead of things like pounding the wall with your fist, which feels good until your bones register the pain)

There is even some evidence that the biochemical benefits of 'venting' in this way (similar to athletic exercise) can release previously blocked energies and emotions the body, i.e. endorphins and antidepressants.
 
 
Rev. Wright
19:53 / 11.11.03
Late but hey, been busy.

I'll add my bit, which is getting physical. There is nothing like getting into exercise and exertion to release tension/frustration. Also does a lot for grounding, drawing the conscious back into the domesticated primate suit, and the present.
 
 
_Boboss
10:57 / 12.11.03
or you know, sit on the sofa, seethe, and chill for one hour. its only moody anger, gone tomorrow, so forget about it. my moods always last longer if i devote energy to changing them.
 
  
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