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Disinfo's "Book of Lies"

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21:40 / 24.10.03

H'mm, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought this wasn't supposed to be out for awhile? And I thought it wouldn't feature major occult personalities (such as Grant Morrison). Or am I thinking of something else?

Nietzsch E. Coyote

22:21 / 24.10.03

You are thinking of the next magick book by disinformation, I think.

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02:18 / 25.10.03

Ah, that must be it. I guess I mistook the book Boy in the Suitcase was working on to be "Book of Lies".

Boy in a Suitcase

12:17 / 27.10.03

Cheers m'dears

That won't be out for a good year and a half methinks.

18:57 / 29.10.03

No worries. I mixed them up too.

Really digging this one so far, (especially because my friend gave me a free copy- talk about magick!) even though it features all those big namer gamers. Grant Morrison's 'Pop Magick' is hilarious, and his patronizing tone is almost adorable in there.

Yes, we're sick of hearing those same names over and over again. Robby Wilson, Granty Morrison, "the TAZ dude," Timmy Leary, etc. etc. etc. Rushkoff must have sucked some occult penis. Yes, we know about those viral meme infections and we know about those evolutionary shifterooni's too. But we, at barbelith, are not the only people who'll have this book. I picture a lot of new eyes opening. In fact, this is the cultural transition I've been waiting for. 'Everything You Know is Wrong' political-incest-readers are now getting introduced to bending the fabric of reality. Betty Crocker says "Mmmm mmmm good."

And ya, the Boyd Rice chapter looks pretty damn interesting, as do many of the others. Looks like I've got a new book to put on my living room table.

Oh wait! I don't live anywhere. But if I did live anywhere Book Of Lies would be looking at you when you sat down on the couch.

15:32 / 03.11.03

Orderd my copy on Halloween. Should have it by the end of the month

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And it will be nice to have all this background stuff in the one place I feel.

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16:44 / 03.11.03

My only disappointment with it was that many of the chapters I had already read at various on-line sites (like the Boyd Rice thing, for instance) or books I had already read ( Condensed Chaos, Cosmic Trigger). Still, for the newbie this book could be a godsend. I could have used it back when I started, for sure.

It was nice to read "Pop Magic" again. You know, that's the text that got me into doing magic in the first place. Reading it late last night (around 3:30 AM) gave me a mini-ephinany of sorts.

21:45 / 03.11.03

on a related kind of note I loved New Falcon's Rebels and Devils anthology. very left hand path-centered. more advanced than Book of Lies (she says, not having read it). it only has a silly comics story in the middle which you can ignore. other than that, great. and little you will have read before. it'll have changed the life of any teenager who sat down with it. (maybe not in a good way.)

13:53 / 05.11.03

I picked it up two days ago and I have yet to put it done. I especially enjoyed the article by Donald Tyson regarding Enochian ]magic.

13:53 / 05.11.03

I picked it up two days ago and I have yet to put it done. I especially enjoyed the article by Donald Tyson regarding Enochian ]magic.

15:18 / 05.11.03

yeah i'm liking it too really. lots of borderline schizos banging on about their fave paranoias and champs of self-aggrandisement like monsieur the porridge and the master of eyebrow disinformation doing their thing. lots of idolatry and people getting carried away with their pet theories. a bit like the chaote/iot response to biroco's kaos book from earlier in the year, slagging the caliphate, recentring on enochia, and bios of austin allegro spare and tubby crowley. the best bits, sadly, are all available elsewhere. surprisingly, loving it for the burroughs more than anything, burroughs is one of those i have cycles of fsascination with, but the cycles are very wide [like the way they've glossed over gysin's rampant avowed unapologetic mysoginy.]

fun fun fun really, but more a grab-bag of esoterica than a hard magic with a k book.

oh yes and it should be said: boy's club! boy's club! boy's club!
(there's no girls in it see)

18:32 / 05.11.03

Boys are Wizards -
"Those who can't,teach!"

All about the size of the wand.

Nietzsch E. Coyote

23:12 / 05.11.03

Tracy Twyman. One. But some of the articles are ABOUT women.

11:23 / 06.11.03

in some [fucked up] places 'Tracy' is a boy's name.

and a special little chapter of articles about women [saucy ones at that] but written by men? that's not an un-boy's clubby thing to do.

07:50 / 08.11.03

Are there any new chapter's in Morrison's PopMagik piece?
I remember him saying that there will be "several" new chapters when the book comes out.
So?
Thanks!

08:13 / 08.11.03

Yup. He covers all the things he says Part 3 will cover, in Part 2. I think Book Of Lies has Pop Magic part 3. My buddy Adam is a huge Pop Magic fan so this fact has him scrambling to get the book. Heh.

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12:38 / 08.11.03

This is interesting: I was at P-Orridge's website recently and I think it was either him (or Douglas Rushkoff) that said they liked the "Book of Lies" but complained about the lack of female magicians (not to mention how the book focused mostly on western schools of thought on magic).

Then again, Morrison, Burroughs and P-Orridge did pretty much influence most of my ideas on magic (to say nothing of getting me into it) so I really shouldn't complain I guess.

Phex: Dorset Doom

16:20 / 08.11.03

Okay, so I'll be the mysoginist man-pig and ask: Where exactly are the female magicians? I don't know why, I've never given it much thought until now, but there seems to be a genuine lack of female magicians, at least those in the same league as P-Orridge, Morrison, Crowley et al. (I've never heard of Twyman before, maybe I'll check her out.)
Or maybe they're just doing the stuff instead of using books to compare wand sizes.

18:16 / 08.11.03

Helena Blatavsky is in the same league as Crowley. At least Hitler thought so.

There is probibly a shortage historically because woman weren't allowed in secret societys (so Blatavsky started her own). But there should be no excuse for it as of now.

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21:57 / 08.11.03

maybe female magicians don't have a massive ego and feel the need to publicize their theories, unlike their male counterparts?

as for historical female magicians, what about Dion Fortune? Hell, 'Psychic Self Defense' was the first occult book I ever read (though I disagree with her views towards homosexuality, among other things).

Boy in a Suitcase

03:15 / 09.11.03

For whatever it's worth, Blavatsky was a Magister Templi while Crowley attained Ipsissimus (or never crossed the Abyss, according to Kenny G[rant], but I disbelieve him). Fortune is great but her followers (Gareth Knight) are tards and her views on homosexuality are hard to reconcile with her status as a flamin' bull dyke. Also her "one true way" Christian "I have secrets and YOU DON'T" bullshit is even more tiresome than Crowley's schtick.

Scrubb is on a downward spiral

14:18 / 09.11.03

Still, for the newbie this book could be a godsend. I could have used it back when I started, for sure.

That it is. I'm an absolute, fresh-out-of-the-box newbie. One of the reasons that I picked it up at work was that a lot of people I know use/know huge amounts about magic, and I know nowt, and I'd been looking around for a while for some sort of beginner's guide. I don't think that it's meant to be massively in-depth; the tagline on it is that it's more of a How To book designed to inspire. For someone who knows bugger all about any of this stuff (ie. me), it's really really good.

20:56 / 02.12.03

My amusement for this has no end. This from Amazon:

Customers who shopped for Book of Lies: The Disinformation Guide to Magick and the Occult also shopped for:

Satanis the Devil's Mass / Sinthia the Devil's Doll

The Wicker Man (Limited Edition)

The Tick - The Entire Series

Now there's a crossection of references to be proud of!

03:33 / 03.12.03

Couldn't find a copy, so I ordered it on Amazon. Then I DID find a store that had it, and being impatient I bought it, figuring to cancel the order at Amazon. Only my computer chose to fuck off and I couldn't get online for a few days. When I finally was re-connected, the order had been shipped. I was thinking, "Whatever, I'll just return this copy when I get that copy..." Then I thought that maybe the book wants me to pass it on to a newbie. And I know a great candidate. I think the book used me to give itself as a Christmas present. Then again, maybe everthing I know is wrong.

13:53 / 03.12.03

Nice one cusm!!