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H.P. Lovecraft

 
  

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trouser the trouserian
04:42 / 30.10.03
Who actually created the whole Hastur portion of the Mythos?

Can't remember off the top of me head - but it was Derleth, I believe, who originated all that stuff about Hastur being an 'air' entity (in order to fit in with his GOOs/elemental symbolism - ugh).
 
 
trouser the trouserian
08:10 / 30.10.03
Who actually created the whole Hastur portion of the Mythos?

I found this:

"I found myself faced by names and terms that I had heard elsewhere in the most hideous of connexions - Yuggoth, Great Cthulhu, Tsathoggua, Yog-Sothoth, R’lyeh, Nyarlathotep, Azathoth, Hastur, Yian, Leng, the Lake of Hali, Bethmoora, the Yellow Sign, L’mur-Kathulos, Bran, and the Magnum Innominandum - and was drawn back through nameless aeons and inconceivable dimensions to worlds of elder, outer entity at which the crazed author of the Necronomicon had only guessed in the vaguest way.... There is a whole secret cult of evil men (a man of your mystical erudition will understand me when I link them with Hastur and the Yellow Sign) devoted to the purpose of tracking them down and injuring them on behalf of the monstrous powers from other dimensions." (The Whisperer in Darkness)

These are the only places in Lovecraft’s fiction where he mentions Hastur. Lovecraft borrowed the term "Hastur" from Robert W. Chambers, who had, in turn, borrowed it from Ambrose Bierce. In Bierce’s "Haïta the Shepherd," Hastur is "the god of shepherds." Chambers borrowed the term and used it as the home city of Cassilda and Camilla, but also used it as the name for a groundskeeper in "The Demoiselle d’ Ys."

from: http://www.hplovecraft.com/creation/bestiary.htm
 
 
rizla mission
15:55 / 30.10.03
Yeah, Hastur's transformation from rather unthreatening 'god of the shepards' to mysterious city to non-specific word thrown into one or two of Lovecraft's stories for good measure to specifically defined alien entity created by Derleth is dead confusing.. which is the way it should be of course..

I read somewhere that the whole slimy alien thing may have been born from the fact that The Old Gent really, really, really hated shellfish. The crawly things from the ocean people kept trying to put on his plate became crawly things in his stories. Instead of eating squid, he invented giant squids from space who were here to eat the world. Or so the story goes...

I LOVE that idea! "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" and all that..

And on another matter that's been raised in this thread, I've got several LPs by HP Lovecraft, the band, and I reckon they're really good. For anyone who's interested, they're basically anchored in similar spaced out San Francisco 'acid rock' territory to early Grateful Dead, but with additional OTT melodramatic keyboards and spooky operatic vocals.. their studio recordings are a bit hit-and-miss, but there's a live album available by them that absolutely kicks ass.. far more rockin' and tightly played than that kind of music usually is, and all the better for it. Their nearly-hit single 'The White Ship' is well worth a quick download.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
01:00 / 31.10.03
It's not a fashionable opinio, but I think Lovecraft was a brilliant writer. Nothing that anyone else wrote in the Cthulhu Mythos comes close to the original stuff for mood, originality, or effect. Try 'Call of Cthulhu' (OK, obvious, I know), or 'The Case of Charles Dexter Ward', 'The Shadow Over Innsmouth', 'At the Mountains of Madness' or 'The Colour out of Space'.

Sometimes he repeats adjectives, I know, but remember that a lot of these tales were unfinished drafts which were never even submitted for publication. The rhythm he sets up in his prose is fantastic - in the best examples it's completely controlled, and builds to a fantastic climax. The post-modernist building up of facts and sources - some real, some fiction - almost literally hypnotises, lulls you, and pulls you along to the denoument. And if you keep reading the other stories, the effect multiplies, as the background to the mythos builds.

It's interesting to see that a lot of you have chosen early stuff as your favourites, when his later stuff is the shit. The system he builds up is as complex, piecemeal and contradictory as Crowley or caballah or any other system, which only adds to its convincing, unsettling effect.

The sense of place, of location, really affects me in a way that other horror writers can't. The opening of the 'Dunwich Horror', as the reader is literally taken there, is a brilliantly evocative piece of travel writing in itself - so when the UNSPEAKABLE HORROR is revealed, it works.
 
 
rizla mission
10:01 / 31.10.03
In a word, yes.

If I had to choose a single favourite Lovecraft story, I think I'd probably have to go for 'Dreams in the Witch House'. The way it pulls together creeping psychological terror and insanity, hyperspace and gateways to utterly incomprehensible dimensions and gothic witch trial mythos and black sabbat nightmare imagery.. absolutely incredible.
 
 
Captain Zoom
18:40 / 06.11.03
If anyone's interested, a new anthology just came out called "Shadows Over Baker Street", which, as you may have guessed, is stories pitting Holmes against the elder gods. It sounds like it could be either great or totally awful, but Neil Gaiman's got a story in there (I think), so who knows? I'm gonna have to wait til christmas to read it methinks, as them thar hardcovers are expensive.

Zoom.
 
 
Baz Auckland
19:13 / 06.11.03
Someone mentioned this in another thread (hopefully not this one, and I missed it above)

The Complete Works of Howard Philips Lovecraft, Online!

Here's to copyright expiry! The site has his poetry, kid's books(!), and an essay on why he likes cats over dogs....
 
 
Captain Zoom
20:38 / 06.11.03
I'm not sure whether to be happy that I now have access to it all, or pissed over the obsolesence of my hard sought after library.

damn.

Zoom.
 
 
Quantum
10:28 / 07.11.03
Online books just aren't the same, they don't get that musty smell and you can't carry them in your pocket.
Shadows over Baker Street sounds great! "Watson, subdue that thing while I perform this banishing.."
 
 
Axolotl
16:36 / 14.12.03
I've just ordered "Scream for Jeeves", a Lovecraft/Wodehouse pastiche. I don't know if it will be any good, but I can't help but love the concept. Imagine the possibilities. Apparently it includes the line "very eldritch sir"
 
 
macrophage
10:09 / 15.12.03
There's a Spanish film called "Dagon" - anybody seen it? Most impressive for a Lovecraft influenced film - more better than earlier efforts like "Re-Animator" (a bit of a in-joke), "The Gate" and all the others. The first time I read Lovecraft I stared to experience the most vivid dreams ever. It's claimed that it was 2 pranksters who created "The Necronomicon" out of old Sumerian texts. Lovecraft is a bit of an enigma - led a very secular and hermitic life. Whatever happened to Rudimentary Peni - as they were very influenced by HP (not to be confused with Blavatsky!). Another band I remember were Godorohea, hailing from Hull way - they played at a squat party at our's in Leeds - they were obseessed by the baked bean hoarder as well. How substantiated are the rumour-mill that HP's dad was a big occultist and freemason - Algernon Blackwood was in the Golden Dawn, as was Arthur Machen (I hope that's right hmmmm, I cannae remember!).
 
 
rizla mission
11:23 / 15.12.03
Yeah, I picked up a copy of Dagon for a couple of quid..
Obviously it's nowhere even close to being a decent Lovecraft adaption, but as a dumb-ass horror movie it's pretty OK.. the ending's cool.

The hero does a good Bruce Campbell impression, and I love the bit where everybody's telling him it's his destiny to return to the sea blah blah, and he shouts "Fuck Dagon! I don't wanna be some stupid-ass fish crawling round on the ocean floor!"

The Spanish co-production thing makes it a bit weird though.. I mean, a freezing cold village full of deathly pale guys in black robes in New England = kind of makes sense. Same thing IN SPAIN .. doesn't quite work..

Sorry, I think this is my second cinematic digression in the Books forum in a week, so I'll leave it there..
 
  

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