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The Barbelith Big Read Project

 
  

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Olulabelle
10:46 / 21.10.03
Inspired by the BBC Big Read project and my initial plan to read the entire 100 books on the list I thought it might make for more interesting reading if we were to create a Barbelith Big Read list.

I think we should our list should be our top 25 books, and I think people should only nominate one book each. This list is not of the 'best' books (contemporary and classic works of literature that stand out for their fine writing, profound explorations of the human condition and their impact on the direction of world literature) as that would look more like an English undergraduate's reading list. It's a list of comfort reads or books you always go back to, even if it's something you last read in childhood. It's an emotive list rather than one of literary excellence.

The rules are:

The book must be a novel (no plays, short stories or comic books).
The book must be fiction.
The book must be available in the English language (I know, but it makes it easier for everyone to get hold of a copy, and indeed read it).

And if anyone else has any good suggestions for rules that's cool.

I'm not sure how we could do it, except that it would perhaps take 2 threads. One thread (perhaps this one) could be votes, and then when a certain number of votes had been reached the book the votes applied to could be added onto the definitive list.

Alternatively, maybe I could act as vote collator and people could PM me with their suggestions, although that might mean for an awful lot of PM's before we get even one book which has enough votes!
 
 
Mourne Kransky
11:05 / 21.10.03
Will there be celebs to do a wee puff piece about why this or that book is the best thing since ciabatta rolls? If so, might I nominate Haus to tell us about The Princess Diaries. I would be happy to do it but he knows bigger words.

What definition of "book" might there be, since the BBC were calling The Lord of the Rings and His Dark Materials "books", despite their component parts having been published as separate books?

Only one book each? That seems mean. Particularly since the "What are you currently reading" thread would indicate that, on average, barbeloids read fourteen books at once.

You are just a fountain of good thread ideas at the moment, olulabelle.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:11 / 21.10.03
'Lord of the Rings' counts as one book, I'm as suspicious as Xoc about whether 'His Dark Materials' really qualifies as same. If it does then the Harry Potter canon thus far should have been one item as well...

It sounds like an interesting idea, although I wonder if the winning book will have three or four votes and there'll be a hundred runners up...
 
 
rizla mission
12:35 / 21.10.03
I think this is a good idea.

Except for the fact that if we only get to choose one book each, I think the final list might be a bit, um, limited.. three or five each might lead to a wider selection..
 
 
illmatic
12:53 / 21.10.03
I dunno Riz, I think we should have maybe one vote each and see how that goes just for the sake of simplicity - we can always take a second vote if there's not enough information.

Ummmmm.....what's mine?
*screws up face*
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
14:41 / 21.10.03
Nice idea, Olulabelle. I think it should be done in threads. Let's have this one for nominating books (and I think one each would be the better way to go, or it could get very unwieldy very quickly), and once the top 25 are in we can start another for plugging them. Set a deadline for nominations - a week, maybe? and then it should keep moving nicely... I think it's better doing it that way than via PM, as people will jog each other's memories.

I think His Dark Materials probably counts as one choice, because it is a trilogy in name (even if Northern Lights can be read as a stand-alone). What about: trilogies to count as one choice; series (i.e. books where the plot of each book can be understood as a self-contained whole) do not count as one choice. Fair? This obviously means that we can have a nice long juicy debate about whether The Dark is Rising Sequence counts as one choice or five (five! Let's spam the list with Susan Cooper!).

What do you reckon?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
17:24 / 21.10.03
I love it when someone posts a thread I thought of and knew I would never get around to actually posting. I usually bank on that happening, actually.

And I can barely think of any books, so I'm waiting for memory jogging antics.

Out of curiosity, what would people (I'm assuming no-one can really be arsed) vote for out of the "proper" big read 21? Or is that another thread? I know mine involves a man from Betelgeuse.
 
 
Persephone
17:33 / 21.10.03
I nominate Watership Down! Vote for Watership Down!!
 
 
■
18:19 / 21.10.03
Dark is Rising is 5 books. They're thematically connected, but not really a series. (Prolly why it's always referred to as a sequence) His Dark materials. Hmmmm.. I'd say a single book serially published. Problematic when 'Lyra's Oxford' comes out (oooh, must check on the progress for that..) but because Amber Spyglass is far better than the first two, I don't really care either way.
Anyawy, my favourite book is Pratchett's Hogfather. Go, on, laugh. I don't care. Got me through some very bad years that book.
 
 
that
18:39 / 21.10.03
My favourite book, the one I would take with me to a desert island if I couldn't have anything else, and would be there for a long time, is My Family and Other Animals by Gerald Durrell. Admittedly, it's not fiction...but it's so gorgeous - the prose is fabulously silky and lyrical and colourful, and it is so good-natured and so funny, and the characters are wonderfully well-drawn. Can I not nominate it anyway? It doesn't feel like an autobiography. It hasn't got any nasty bits in it.

If I can't have that, I suspect I shall go for the Farseer Trilogy by Robin Hobb. Best fantasy novels ever.
 
 
Querelle
02:32 / 22.10.03
Ohh.. Frisk or Guide by Dennis Cooper, but I can't decide which one.. Help!

Hell, throw the whole quintet in there.
 
 
gotham island fae
04:50 / 22.10.03
My immediate reaction is Ender's Game, Orson Scott Card.

I have yet to pick that book up and not be comfortable with opening it anywhere, and reading it til I'm done.

But, I'm a boy who came of age, so...
 
 
Unencumbered
07:12 / 22.10.03
It's almost impossible to choose just one book but since I have to decide, I'm going to nominate Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson. It's entertaining, clever and informative.
 
 
sleazenation
08:13 / 22.10.03
I nominate Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut. Its a funny, sad science fiction story where the science fictions is almost entirely incidental.
 
 
captain piss
08:26 / 22.10.03
Charles Bukowski – Factotum
All of his books completely draw me in, wherever I pick them up from. I guess you could say something pretentious about the rhythmic simplicity yet profundity blah blah blah … His point of view is quite funny and interesting. Dunno- definitely in my comfort reading category, strangely, although I’m generally more of a sci-fi & weirdness follower
 
 
rizla mission
09:47 / 22.10.03
I was going to nominate 'Cats Cradle', but in possibly the first instance of strategic voting I may switch to 'Slaughterhouse 5'.

All Vonnegut is good Vonnegut.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
10:16 / 22.10.03
I nominate Life's Lottery by Kim Newman. A thoughtful adult rendition of Choose-Your-Own-Adventure books, putting together a carefully crafted snowflake of parallel worlds that are a great joy to explore, while at the same time being extremely sinister and hypnotic.
 
 
bjacques
12:06 / 22.10.03
Huckleberry Finn. Adventure, social commentary, satire, a proto-goth girl, gullibility, mangled Shakespeare, burlesque, tragedy, and lots of humanity.

Roughing It comes close, at least for the uneasy humor of being a guest of Brigham Young.
 
 
HCE
20:14 / 22.10.03
I don't quite get whether we should vote for books we want to read or those we've read already?

Want to: Bernhard's Gargoyles
Already: Musil's Man Without Qualities (just the first volume)

I suppose I should pitch these books? Should I post brief excerpts (perhaps a paragraph?)
 
 
HCE
20:16 / 22.10.03
And before anybody gets on my case, yes this is my idea of comfort reading, and I do go back to Musil fairly regularly as a retreat from bitter days.
 
 
J. White
23:25 / 22.10.03
The Stand by Stephen King
 
 
Olulabelle
08:29 / 23.10.03
Fred, the idea is to vote for a book you have already read. And I don't think you need to pitch your books.

KCC, I think we should indeed set a time limit for nominations. And then I guess if there are loads, we then have to vote on the nominations. Or something.

ANYway. I nominate The Chrysalids, by John Wyndham. So that's 1 (one) nomination for The Chrysalids.
 
 
No star here laces
08:44 / 23.10.03
This is great - Barbelith may like to pontificate about theory and read maaaaaad mind-expanding twaddle, but when we want comfort, we want sci-fi...

So my comfort book which I've read far more times than it really deserves in terms of objective quality is Michael Moorcock - "The swords of Corum"

You may mock...
 
 
rizla mission
10:05 / 23.10.03
Surely sci-fi is home to a great deal of mad mind-expanding twaddle? The good stuff anyway.

And on the contrary, I say Moorcock = rock. He might have churned out ropey sounding fantasy books by the dozen, but I've yet to pick up any of them that are anything less than excellent reads.
 
 
Olulabelle
11:38 / 23.10.03
So, as far as I can see the following books have definitely been nominated:
Watership Down by Richard Adams
Hogfather by Terry Pratchett
Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut.
Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card.
Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson.
Factotum by Charles Bukowski
Life's Lottery by Kim Newman.
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
Man Without Qualities (volume 1) by Robert Musil
The Stand by Stephen King
The Chrysalids by John Wyndham.
The Swords of Corum by Michael Moorcock

I am not sure if the following have been nominated or not:
Frisk by Dennis Cooper
Guide by Dennis Cooper
Roughing It by Mark Twain
Cat's Cradle Kurt Vonnegut

And there is some question over these books:
My Family and Other Animals by Gerald Durrell To be discussed.
Farseer Trilogy by Robin Hobb Possible inclusion dependant on the outcome of the above.
Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut. This has a possible 2 votes, depending on inclusion of Cat's Cradle.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Also, we need more suggestions, else all the books we nominate will be on the list. Should we open it up to 2 books each? Should we drop the top 25 list down to top 10? Should I go and canvass for votes in 'conversation?'

Oh, and I think trilogies etc count as one book for the purpose of this list.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
13:02 / 23.10.03
Lolita if we're only allowed to nominate one... most of my friends have got this as a birthday present from me over the last few years. The writing's witty for the grim bits, and wry for the funny bits, and enough people pull a face and say "ooooh, isn't that.. you know... well, isn't it a bit..." when it's mentioned for it to be worth reading just to refute them.

If we get a second nomination, Lucky Jim. I've read it many times, and it still makes me laugh so, so much..
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
15:22 / 23.10.03
shit i'm torn. really like Vonnegut... could... vote... for... Slaughterhouse 5...

but i vote for

*Grande Bretagne une pointe*

Perfume by Patrick Suskind.

read it.
it'll back you laugh, it'll make you cry and it'll make you smell your feet.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
17:14 / 23.10.03
Just one. Just one! Damn you, olulabelle!!

Have to nominate The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula Le Guin
(a world without sex, a world of perpetual winter, a tender and tragic love story, a great Androgyne's Own Adventure, invented language to describe emotions and forms of social interaction too alien to name, so much in there) but only by a short head. Happily, some other favourites have already been name checked.
 
 
HCE
22:16 / 23.10.03
I am not sanguine about Musil's chances of success and would like to switch my vote to Le Guin.
 
 
PatrickMM
00:14 / 24.10.03
Philip K. Dick's The Man in the High Castle.
 
 
The Falcon
00:17 / 24.10.03
The Naked Lunch, I suppose.

Bit of a boring choice. Not a boring book.
 
 
No star here laces
03:23 / 24.10.03
Riz, you are totally right. Sci-fi is probably the most mind-expanding genre out there, but there's a certain hint of cheese in the air, particularly in my choice. And god yeah, I've never quite admitted how much I've enjoyed Moorcock over the years, but the thing is that it's not the canonical stuff like Jerry Cornelius that I love, it's the really corny stuff like Corum and Hawkmoon. All tortured musclemen and noble heroes. Gotta love it.
 
 
illmatic
09:49 / 24.10.03
I have a late nomination: The Wizard of Earthsea bu Ursula Le Guin. In terms of sheer comfort reading, absolutely one of my favourites. I can't pick it up without reading it.

'Laces: You've got me wondering if I've still got all my Corum books. Hmmmm....
 
 
Quantum
11:49 / 24.10.03
My brain hurts. I want to vote for His Dark Materials, but All Vonnegut is good Vonnegut. Left Hand of Darkness is great but The Earthsea trilogy is much better, Cryptonomicon is cool but...
I'm torn between Earthsea trilogy (Wizard of Earthsea, Tombs of Atuan, Farthest shore- I don't count the more recent as I haven't read 'em) and The Homeward Bounders by Diana Wynne Jones, my favourite book ever.

No I'm not- I nominate The Homeward Bounders by Diana Wynne Jones, my favourite book ever.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
12:10 / 24.10.03
Ahem. Hitchhikers guide. Although I feel a little embarassed, it simply is the book I have read most over the years, and will always go back to.

I love it.

And I can't think of anything else, save, electric kool-aid acid test... but I don't think I feel so strongly about that anymore.

Also: nice to see all the fantasy stuff I read when I was little getting all sorts of mentions. I must go back and revisit. Except that I remember the dark is rising scared all sorts of shit out of me.

Oh, and the wizard of earthsea, I think that might be one of my favourites anywhere, but I have no idea where my copy has gone so I can't even find out. All I know is I remember reading a book once when I was ill, and I think this is it. And I loved it. Maybe. Can someone help me out with a description?
 
  

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