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UCLA says: "Sexual Identity" hard-wired by genetics

 
 
Querelle
14:58 / 20.10.03
So this is a good start at finally proving that sexuality isn't a choice, but the media still seems to be lumping in gender identity with sexual orientation, implying that a person is a homosexual because they feel they are the opposite gender from which they were born. I’m a homosexual male, but I feel male, I don’t feel like I should have been a woman. Unfortunately this is still a pretty common misconception and I’ll need to point out to people who bring this up that no, they didn’t prove that homosexuality is genetic, they’re proving that sexual identity is genetic.

I know the gender/orientation discussion has been done to death on here, I guess I’m just looking for reaction to this news and what it means for sexual orientation. Or do you think I’m being too nit-picky and “expecting too much” from Reuters/AP?
 
 
gravitybitch
16:10 / 20.10.03
I think that CNN might be more to blame... I don't know if Reuters wrote the abstract.

On a second reading, I'm not entirely happy with the story (wish they'd get people with science backgrounds to write these things!). Genes aren't "produced" in the brain (or any other organ), they are expressed/ "produce" effects themselves.

I'm also really annoyed with the implicit assumption that gender must be assigned at birth, but that's got roots in the quote from the researcher.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
16:16 / 20.10.03
I guess there might be more interesting data there than they've given us in a short article but I probably haven't the brain to unpick it anyway, e.b. I can conclude only that I have the brain of a female mouse.

"Our findings may help answer an important question -- why do we feel male or female?" announces the quaintly named Dr. Eric Vilain. I would like to have "male" and "female" defined first, before getting too excited by his findings. Does anybody really think that "homosexual" as a label describes one specific biological condition and that every gay person is an identical clone?

I'm fine with people researching this. Knowledge is neutral. But the conclusions they draw from it often betray the underpinning motivations, as do the very questions they postulate to begin with.

Homosexuality is primarily a social concept, and of fairly recent origin as such. How could one neat and tidy clump of DNA code for this? I wonder what their definition of it was in the study? They identified the mice that didn't like football? Or those that sprayed the straw in the cages every day with Chanel's Allure for Men? Or did some of the mice break out of their cages every Friday night and head for Soho in their party frocks, with tiny little condoms in the pockets of their Dolce and Gabbana jeans?

Ganesh and I have already noticed that the rats around Vauxhall seem to be bigger and butcher than usual, which would qualify them for the plethora of local "bear" bars and clubs. The local squirrels are just as nancy as anywhere else though. Fluffy tails, sheesh...
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:39 / 20.10.03
They found 54 genes produced in different amounts in male and female mouse brains, prior to hormonal influence. Eighteen of the genes were produced at higher levels in the male brains; 36 were produced at higher levels in the female brains.

And I was very surprised that the next paragraph wasn't "then they looked for which mice went shopping for matching curtains and which ones supported Alex on Fame Academy". When they've found a mouse that's 'confused' or believes it was born in the wrong body they can tell me they're starting to find something useful.
 
  
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