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Comics Read This Month (October 2003)

 
  

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fluid_state
14:23 / 23.10.03
Amazing Spidey #500: Yeah, what Benjamin said. I'm a big softie too; that said, this comic is indeed Amazing. What I've read of this title (just started picking it up randomly at convienience stores) is prett fantastic; it's the definitive "new" Spider-Man, in that it's not a reboot of the teenage Peter Parker, but an evolution of the one I read as a kid. A positive evolution (There have been many attempts to grow Spidey up, AFAIK), good for kids and dads, and NO clones. Yet.

Batman #620: I can't tell if I'm really impressed or really disturbed. There's something very wrong about Azz's Batman... the narration is way over the top, actually. It reads like the "First Shot, Last Call" arc in 100 Bullets, with a few extra servings of pathos. I'm still rereading it, looking for some hidden page where Bats downs a couple shots Jim Beam, smokes a Pall Mall and picks a fight in a bar. The thing that disturbs me is that it kind of works... It's almost as though Batman's gone back to his original incarnation, a knockoff of other 40's pulp heroes like the Spider. Looks great; Risso is channeling Tim Sale, and can do no wrong. His Croc rocks.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:44 / 23.10.03
Solid, you summed it up exactly about the latest arc in Spider-Man. It's what I felt was lacking in JMS' early run on the title, a bit revisionist with a "This Is A New Spider-Man" kind of feel, but this latest issue, "an evolution of the one I read as a kid."

Exactly.

Also, I forgot to mention, Planetary was fantastic. DO NOT READ THE PLANETARY THREAD UNTIL YOU'VE READ THE ISSUE!
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:05 / 23.10.03
BATMAN:
I was sort of disapointed by the read. Yeah I can see what everyone's talking about and it seems like a while since there's been a BATMAN that seems to get some satisfaction from what he does... and of course the art is FAB... but it seems like a very watered down version of 100 Bullets in tights. the dialogue that's so spot on in 100B seems just a bit heavy here... and the ending made next to no sence to me...

Planetary:
E X C E L L E N T

X-statix:
it's finally out... the time away has cost the series a bit of its charm though... nice to see Spidey there though.

Wonderwoman:
So it's Greg Rucka's 3rd issue on script. Nice art with an intriguing build-up. Classic Foe Aries has gotten a new tailor... the action takes a sort of backseat to the discourse on ideals and the there seems to finnally be a supporting cast of interest.

Wildcats:
I'm not sure what sort of scheduale thisbbooks is on but it seems to come out like every 3 weeks. Several pages of wanton violence in this issue may satisfy those who've been a bit bored with the board room adventures.

Hellblazer:
So the Bigg baddy is about to make its appearance. The art keeps getting better and a nice mix of obscure Vertigo charactors J.C's meet before with others I've never heard of.

AVENGERS JLA:
Okay, so the book make me feel like 15 years old but hey it's such a glorious read!!! has anyone else bothered to check it out?
 
 
The Falcon
17:53 / 23.10.03
These threads are great, eh? I can't believe we didn't have them before.

Not bought my comics yet. Tomorrow, prob'ly. Be easier if my shit employers hadn't made a cock of my pay, though.
 
 
NezZ the 2nd
20:21 / 23.10.03
I bought New X-Men vol 5, have read "Murder at the mansion" so far, and I really enjoyed it. Now I know that magneto is xorn, I assume he wiped Sage's memory. Anyway not to stray away from the thread.
 
 
Krug
02:15 / 24.10.03
Batman #620: Excellent. Haven't looked in Batman's direction for a bit over two years (even though I did like Ed Brubaker's writing) and the 100B boys was just what I needed. I wouldn't agree that it's a watered down 100 Bullets at all. I'm lovin' this and obviously am annoyed at the wait.
 
 
Gary Lactus
08:26 / 24.10.03
X Statics was fucking great. This was the story that was originally going to star Princess Diana, right? Satiretastic!

All these comics pale when held up to the Punisher, though. Who would win in afight between Superman and The Punisher? The Punisher would. It's The Punisher. I think The Punisher should change his name to The Ultimate Classic Punisher! DVD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:::::
 
 
Spaniel
09:44 / 24.10.03
CLASSIC!

Yeah, I'm so with you. What a cool idea: THE PUNISHER VS LOGAN, DAREDEVIL, AND THE AMAZING SPIDERMAN.

Garth Ennis has a fantastic job, he quite literally has to do nothing.

CLASSIC!

 
 
Spaniel
12:16 / 24.10.03
I haven't read the Brubaker stuff, but I can't help thinking that Loeb and Lee had the right idea when they returned to the silver age. Broody, vigilante Bats has been done to death and has become, imo, boring as fuck. That's not to say, however, that their execution was any good. I picked up Batman twice over their run and was, quite frankly, appalled at the crapness: too wordy, too convoluted, deeply inarticulate and boring.

But.

Bring on the gadgets, bring on the superheroics, bring on the women and bring on his wonderful, demented rogue's gallery.
 
 
DaveBCooper
13:28 / 24.10.03
Interesting you should say that. Bobossboy, I dropped Batman after a couple of issues when I tired of Lee doing double-page spreads for Loeb to write a couple of brief captions on top of (as I feel he does over Sale's art too often as well - Loeb's not a bad writer, but sometimes he makes Transmetropolitan look like it was scripted by Kevin Smith...). Okay, I'm simplifying, but I decided to wait for the inevitable collections. In paperback, I mean. This book isn't THAT good, let's be realistic...

Thin week for me this week new comics-wise, with just Liberty Meadows, which was its usual fun self, if a bit brief in the reading. Oh, and got the latest Hulk TPB (last chance for this series as far as I'm concerned - something substantial happens or I bail), and the Complete DR and Quinch... sometimes I feel like I'm upgrading my old comics to nice formats in the same was as my tapes go to CD and VHS becomes DVD, but that's my fault for being a weak-willed dupe of the corporate man, right ?
 
 
Spaniel
15:02 / 24.10.03
Lummy DR and Quinch - good dinner.

Don't think Lee and Loeb's Batman was any good at all. I just liked where they wanted to take the character.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
15:24 / 24.10.03
Bring on globe trotting hairy-chested Batman fighting euro-baddies on skis, and settling down to hot lovin' in front of a blazing fire with Talia.
 
 
The Natural Way
15:38 / 24.10.03
Indeed.
 
 
Krug
19:38 / 24.10.03
Speaking of a grim batman...

It pisses me off how much Moore slags his own "Killing Joke." That's the ultimate batman story for me. It's not his best work but it's the best Batman story.

I might borrow the first volume of "Hush" though I think Loeb is a godawful writer.

Powers Who Killed Retro Girl the definitive (or whatever edition):

Wow. A dvd comic! Full of rubbish extras like a hundred minutes worth of outtakes and screen tests! No commentary or interviews or anything worthwhile but at least we have a hundred pages of meaningless shite to stare at. God forbid these peopel include forewords or afterwords or actual comics!

Besides all that, it's a very good comic. I'd read around five issues (between 7 and 13) before but was lazy in buying the trades.
It's a top collaborative effort. Have already started Volume 2. Will get Volume 3 in the mail in a few days hopefully. They're very pricey and don't collect a lot of stories. Any trade that has less than six issues is not a good trade in my opinion.
 
 
Spaniel
22:53 / 24.10.03
&, I love you, but I so want a fight.

Killing Joke? V shit. V obvious.

Nothing, I repeat nothing on DKR.

Killing Joke: Badly executed, badly conceived, frankly even Alan thinks it's pretty shit. Why? Because Mr Millar had just produced the most amazing Bat-Book, not to mention the most amazing supercomic to grace the shelves.

Don't agree? Well, trying not to be patronising, but were you there, old enough to buy and appreciate DKR? The thing is, it's almost impossible to articulate what a fucking mindfuck that book was. There was, quite literally, nothing like it, nothing to compare to it, and that includes Watchmen.

I dunno, I get bored with this youngen forum. Let us old twats have a go.

Jesus, The Killing Joke? Please!
 
 
w1rebaby
04:06 / 25.10.03
I haven't bought a comic book for at least a year and recently I decided to do so for a few episodes, and it was New X-Men, or NXM as I see people are referring to it as. Picked at random. It was what was easily available.

Please tell me - is it natural that I should be utterly ungripped? I don't know, it all seems so predictable. The art is nice, but I'm just flipping pages and thinking "oh, okay, I seem to have got to the end now and I could have told you what was going to happen beforehand" - and I don't even know the background that well, or at all.

I must point out that I am seriously not a comic geek. I know some 2000AD, Invisibles and Authority and that's it. So I'm prepared for the fact that I may be missing out on some subtleties. However, looking at this thread it seems that some other people are agreeing with my opinion.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
05:44 / 25.10.03
What about Arkham Asylum vs Killing Joke vs DKR?
 
 
Spaniel
08:46 / 25.10.03
Yes, I was pissed when I last posted. All seems a little inconsequential now.

Still don't understand what's so good about The Killing Joke, though.
 
 
Krug
01:21 / 26.10.03
Well as much as I love V for Vendetta, I don't consider it to be a Batman story. It's one of the best comics ever written and the Valerie chapter made me bawl the first time (Still feel like boohooing when I reread it) but I don't consider it to be a superhero comic let alone a Batman story. Not really going to debate that even though Batman is an obvious inspiration for V.

I wrote a long post and reread it but I felt I was really being unfair to DKR as I mostly am when I talk about it. The thing is that I read it in 2000, after all that hype and as much of a masterpiece it might have been in the 80s, much of writing reads like turd. It also has the worst opening I've read to a very good comic.

Now that I think about it, there are many things that I like about DKR, there are many special moments.

The Mutant Gangleader fight, The Joker death, The Twoface fight (although the horrible mini panels did ruin some effect there) and the ultimate batman moment...kicking the shit out of Superduperman.

But it was such a disappointment because it doesn't really get any good until the second chapter and Gordon is a complete waste (I had read Year One before that and Gordon stole the show in that one).

There are just too many things it doesn't have going for it and it really was a huge disapointment for me. I felt cheated.

Nothing personal mate and I respect it for what it was but it hasn't aged well.

Killing Joke: Was the first real adult comic that I read (if we leave Sandman aside for a moment which I'm not a fan of) and it really did my head in. The Joker has never been written better and perhaps never will be. Calling it pretty shit pisses me off because the art has a very strong effect brought on by Moore's script of course. There are many memorable panels and scenes in that book and hardly any flaws. The transitions, Joker's flashbacks are so well done. Moore did all that he did here better in Watchmen and I agree that it is not the best writing of his career. That said, it's still a well written and well executed comic right to the shocking end. Just what is wrong with it? "It's not realistic?" (which is what Moore thinks). Gee, does he think that Miracleman, Dr. Manhattan or Adrian Veidt scream realism?

Year One on the other hand is the one book I've read by Miller where his writing really worked. Gordon stole the show in that one and Batman's fear of failure feels very real. That is the real Miller masterpiece.

Arkham Asylum is flawless to me. I didn't have a problem with the lettering and Grant's writing can stand up to the best looking comic I've ever read. Which is saying a lot.

And I love you too, but for fucksake, us youngins may appreciate the influence and importance of DKR, it's hard for us to love it like you did because it hasn't aged well and Watchmen is still the perfect comic.

It's fine, you're horny for the Miller and Bolland/Moore get me hard.

I wish they'd work together again. Or that Morrison would do something with the guy.

Speaking of which, what are your thoughts on Arkham Asylum, Year One and the Moore Batman annual?
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
13:52 / 26.10.03
I read the last 6 issues of Green Lantern last night (got them as a cheap bundle) and while the art is very clean and well done, the stories were just sort of there for me. Most super-hero space sagas seem to be filler, and this one isn't that much different.

It's good that the GLCorps are back (always liked that concept) and they still play the "Kyle doesn't think he measures up to Hal Jordon" even though Hal went nuts and killed everyone in a frenzy of bad marketing a decade ago. Raab plays up some of the plot threads left behind by Judd Winnick, but DAMN if it doesn't feel like a placeholder.

VERY typical Star Trek type plots, with Kyle knowing what to do so that we get the quick ending, with very little forshadowing or set up, so it almost feels like a rabbit is being pulled out of a hat.

The other problem with this run is that it sets the expectation that There is so much GL has to do in his sector that there is no way he will have time to go back to Earth (they play up that he hasn't sent a message to his girlfriend in weeks). So...when they DO go back to Earth and have him fighting typical super-villians, will it be at the cost of alien worlds dying and the like? It sets up expectations that they wont' want to deal with down the line, which is why it's always a bad idea to over-power your super-heroes...it means that the threats have to get bigger and bigger until the character is omnipotant and utterly unable to be related to by the readers.

Green Lantern was revamped to create a character readers could relate to...a normal guy who barely makes ends meet, has problems with women and the like. Now, he is nothing but Green Lantern, and while that can be good...the subplots are still written as if he is a average Joe, and they don't seem to fit.

Under Winnick, it always felt like the super-hero stuff just didn't fit in Green Lantern because he was too interested in telling human stories, and I dropped it because the two aspects didn't mesh. Raab can't do the human stuff, and I feel the same way.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
11:06 / 27.10.03
I'm with &. The Mets may have played awfully in the 1986 World Series, but in my clouded youthful eyes, it will always be the only couple of games of baseball worth watching. Same with Killing Joke. I'll never be able to look at it without awe and wonder as it completely melted my brain at the ripe young age of whenever it was I first read it.

And, uh, Bolland drew it? And that joke at the end? It's so clever?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
17:38 / 27.10.03
I loved Arkham when I was an angsy teen, but it's one of the Morrison things i return to least. it's so drenched in 'exquisitely-painted-hard back-serious 80's adult' comicsyness.
But. I reckon its sort of a comment on that stuff, all the then fashionable revisionism. Batman's arch foes are fleshed out with 'real' psychoanalysis, and suffer for it.Two face ends up wetting himself when faced with th I-ching as a decision making tool. His character loses his potency when faced with the tools of deconstruction. I dunno. it's pretty pompous but I reckon morrison was also utting the nails in the coffin for that stuff.
 
 
LDones
05:28 / 28.10.03
Though it's touted as the standard-bearer for the 'psychological deconstruction' of the Batman mythos, I've never been able to enjoy Arkham Asylum - after several reads at various intervals since its release. It's always felt so trumped-up and obvious. (Though the bit with Two-Face's decision on the coin-toss at the end is a very nice moment - too bad it had no relevance to normal Batman continuity...).
 
 
The Natural Way
15:48 / 28.10.03
Clowes: Nobody said V was a Batman story, did they? Bob just said KJ was "V Shit" (V = Very).

Hmmm, I know Morrison says he was hammering the nails in the deconstructionist coffin, but.....I reckon he loves it. Seriously though, yr right, Celeb, that realworld shit robs Bats and of all their fire. Anyone who reads Arkham w/out catching Grant's cheeky wink is missing out on a lot of the fun.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
16:34 / 28.10.03
Not read much this month.

Picked up New X-Men 148 and it's still the belly rub I need every few weeks. I might be a sucker, but I was floored by the ending.

Read Hellboy Weird Tales and quite liked it. Eric Powell is quite good.

I love Green Lantern... really. But he never gets written very well. Aside from the 60's and the JM DeMatteis graphic novel WillWorld (wondrously drawn by Seth Fisher), he gets nothing. BUT I hear that Hal Jordan will return as Green Lantern next year. I like Kyle a lot, but it's a step in the right direction, but only a step.

Other than that, the Flash has been steadily getting better in a very different way. Dose is a superb artist and Geoff Johns has great big balls to pull this off. Hawkman is also good, but in a slam-bam 70's super hero way. Rags Morales is a real find. I hope he stays on the burly chested Hawkman forever.

I was old enough for the DK Returns in the day and loved it. BUT Killing Joke is a very different comic. Whereas DKReturns was a feature film, KJoke felt like a dream. It was very strange and super-real for me. Seeing the Joker under the hood, his unease and supsequent mania was a strange experience. I also got Brian to sign mine and displayed it in my room for a few months afterwards. Then a friend decided I was a shit and dented it, knowing it would piss me off. But I got laid before him, so I win. Anyway... Both are good. Why grade them? And for me, Arkham Asylum was the book everyone bought and sealed in lucite (came out in time for the movie craze), so I avoided it for many years. It's still not my favorite book.

I almost stopped reading Hush after the second to last bit... don't think I gained much by holding out, either. While it really interested me early on, it got so flat and predictable after the Superman fight. I dunno. It all smacked off Loeb's 'Long Halloween' treatment where he sets up a baddie an issue and lets them rip. Also, the man cannot finish a story... ever. Ah well. I hear that Gotham City Precinct is good.
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:14 / 28.10.03
haven't read DKR, tKJ or AA in quite some time... {%}Amazing that so manyof you read it this month!!!{/%}

I just love Bollands art and wish he would do more of it... Millar's art was great at the time it's still very satisfying and Mckean's art was a bit over the top for that story but lent a great mood and feel.

Script-wise: They all make BATMAN seem a bit crazy, but I prefered Moore's Joker (he seemed the most scary AND tragic). Though Morrison's explaination on how the Joker works was cool, and resurfaced in his AZTEK comic.

So would anyone care to hand out spoilers on this whole HUSH storyline. I picked up the first Issue, was thoroughly unimpressed and haven't bothered with more... what happened?
 
 
The Falcon
17:44 / 28.10.03
Gotham Central is another example of comics paying tribute to the greatest TV show ever, Homicide: Life on the Stret. See also: Top Ten. Gets away with it by virtue of being v. good. Anyone sleeping on Brubaker and Rucka in general needs to wake up toot sweet. Seriously.

Bayliss had a big row of Avengers on his desk, bless him.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:55 / 28.10.03
I thought the new X-STATIX (rewritten Princess Diana story) might be crappy, given all the re-writes it was subject to, but I took a chance and bought it...and kinda wished I hadn't. It's the first Bad issue of this book. Sad & scary. Ah well. Maybe I'll just sit this Formerly-Diana story arc out and start buying the book after the final part of the Di story. For now, this issue was weak enough that I want to read the next few issues in the store. Sad, because I really like this book and Milligan was producing such gold for such a long stretch.
 
 
The Falcon
21:11 / 28.10.03
I don't know why a lot of people dislike the new X-Statix. Good as ever for me.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:42 / 28.10.03
The next X-statix issue comes out tomorrow... I'm looking forward to it.
 
 
Krug
02:50 / 29.10.03
Bought:

Stray Bullets 1-10: Fuck yes. This book really lives up to the hype. #6 the first Amy Racecar story is the best so far.

Powers Bk 2: Roleplay. Read the singles a year ago but it was still fun to read this. The humour works, Walker (reminds me of Walker Texas Ranger) and Deena are terrific characters and Bendis' dialog is as usual spot on. Oeming is a great artist and even though Bendis writes stale endings to his mysteries, it's the ride that matters eventually.

Read:

Planetary 17: I must say that Cassaday is probably the best artist working on an ongoing company book. The writing as usual is ok, nothing brilliant but the premise and art keeps me interested. When's the next one out?

Orbiter: Reads like a pathetic love letter written by a teenager. Only that it's a middle aged man writing it and the subject is not a girl but space travel. I'm sure he put his heart into this but it's not really a very interesting or good comicbook. A labour of love surely, you can smell Ellis' hardon through the pages without even reading the dialog. Must've been a good wank for him selling it for what 25?
 
 
Krug
02:53 / 29.10.03
Sorry about the confusion with V.

Arkham Asylum works with or without being 80s brooding darksuperhero deconstructionist shit. That's my opinion.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:06 / 29.10.03
I find Arkham Asylum a little blatantly "Look! We're desconstructing/trying to be all cool!" But I'm going to give it a thorough re-read, inspired by people's comments on this thread and see what I think of it. I also remember the art being a little TOO dark occasionally, like a poorly-lit movie sometimes.
 
 
rakehell
00:03 / 30.10.03
It's interesting to note that Grant wanted someone hyper-real like Brian Bolland to draw Arkham and was quite upset when Dave McKean picked up the artist duties.
 
 
houdini
18:38 / 30.10.03

An aside on Batman:
In order of greatness, I rat the bat-works thus:
Year One
The Killing Joke
The Dark Knight Returns
Arkham Asylum

Year One is the perfect hardboiled noir tale and the use of Jim Gordon, and the contrast of his confidence with Bruce Wayne's insecurity is perfect. The Killing Joke really makes the Joker a tragic character and is a very poetic work. It's marred a little by the fact that it feels like Moore is just bringing his Watchmen bag-o-tricks to Bats, but I reckon it's still decent. DKR was great when I first read it but hasn't aged well. All the writing is so goddam butch now, it just seems every bit as campy as the Adam West vibe it was trying to overturn. And I thought AA had some good writing but it was a bit up itself and McKean hadn't yet learned how to draw sequential art. (He eventually would with Cages but early stuff like Violent Cases, Black Orchid and AA are far too static to work well as comics; it's the same problem that I have with Alex Ross.)

Okay, back on topic...

X-Statix 17-18
Why the hell is Spider-Man in this story? I mean, is he even really in this story? He's in a few panels at the end of #17 and a few at the start of #18. Then the villains drag Diana into the X-Statix shop, X-Statix give up and go home 'cause they can't be arsed, and Spidey just ... vanishes.

What the hell is going on here? It's just dumb. It's not even like PM is making some kind of point about the pointlessness of crossovers. It's like he just forgot that he'd put Spidey into a couple of panels of the comic. I soooooo predict SM is going to save Di from X-Statix in #19 and we'll be supposed to care. But this is really at the same level as Liefeld's inability to remember the guns on Cable's shoulders, IMO. Maybe this story just suffered from rewriteitis, but whatever the explanation, it's a low point for the book.

Planetary #17
Solid stuff. I hope Ellis and Cassaday keep cranking this out because it's working well now, and it works much better when you see the damn thing regularly. Agree with others: Don't visit the thread until you read the issue, unless you've already been spoilered by other parts of the web.

NXM #148
Okay, I guess. I like Jimenez's art on this a lot. The story doesn't quite seem to know where it wants to go. I would actually like to see more about Magneto and his impotence in his moment of victory. There's not quite enough there to make it interesting. And the decisions to drop the other X-teams out of the continuity and have the Special Class sign up to be the new Brotherhood both rankle a bit. Alas.

Usagi Yojimbo: Duel At Kitanoji



Usagi Yojimbo is just one of the best comics out there, a really great adaptation of samurai legend to a storytelling style which is a hybrid of the best elements of American and Japanese comics. To my mind, this is vastly more readable than the Lone Wolf & Cub stuff, and has a really great progression of the characters in a slow-building saga. This volume features the climatic duel between Usagi's master and the one swordsman who might actually be his match - the only man to beat our hero one on one in a fair duel over all these long years. It's rock solid and Sakai keeps a very steady hand on the tension, letting it build to the perfect point.
 
  

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