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This is the Way We Are; What Do You Think of Us?

 
 
Leisure
20:29 / 15.10.03
One thing that's turned me from modern sci-fi is The Platform. Every modern-day SF writer seems to have had a plank prior to picking up pen & pad. Should SF writers be overt moralists? Or do the polemics strip all love from the work & hamper their development as writers?
And where ARE the non-political writers in SF, anyway? Are they being published at all? Does the presence of a Platform help the editors & publishers to classify an author's work? If so, does this necessitate an author having a Platform?
Recently I came into possession of one of Dad's old books, a collection of Henry Kuttner's short stories. The foreword, by Ray Bradbury, clearly states these concerns:

"....the problem of why [obscure fiction writer Henry Kuttner's] name remains semiobscure in our genre.
"Apolitics is certainly part of the answer. When you mention Vonnegut, you polarize on the instant. Orwell, similarly. And Heinlein and Wells, and even Verne. Verne, after all, invented mad Nemo, the mirror-image reversal of mad Ahab. Nemo prowled the world teaching moral lessons to even madder militarists. Beyond this, Verne was a super-propagandist for humanities who said: you have a head, use it to guide your heart; you have a heart, use it to guide your head; you have hands with which to change the world. Head, hands, heart-- sum up all three, and remake Eden.
"I cannot recall any particularly violent ideas Kuttner put forth on politics or politicians. He seemed never to have gone through one of those nineteenth or twentieth summers where we all go a bit amok on Technocracy or Socialism or Scientology. When the fever passes and the smoke clears we wonder what happened to us for a time and are puzzled when our friends don't speak to us for a time, until they discover the hair has fallen off us and we have given up being a political gorilla and are back to being human again. If Kuttner had such a year, or month, I never knew it. And it doesn't show in his work.
"So because so much of what he wrote is not, in modern terminology, Relevant with a capital R, he is probably graded by some ten degrees down from Orwell, and twenty below Vonnegut-- which is, needless to say, a damned and awful shame. What we need is not more political cant and polarized bias, but more traffic engineers, with no particular traffic in mind save survival, to stand on the highroads leading toward the future, waving us on creatively but not necessarily banging our ears when we, children that we are, misbehave.
"Kuttner, then, was no moral revolutionary or political reformer. He was an entertaining writer. His stories are seeded with ideas and moralities, yes, but these do not cry out, shriek, or necessarily ask for change. This is the way we are, Kuttner says, what do you think of us?
"Most science-fiction writers are moral revolutionaries on some level or another, instructing us for our own good. When Bernard Shaw and Bertrand Russell ventured into the field it could have been predicted....that they would pop up as moral revolutionists teaching lessons and pontificating therefrom. Shaw was better at it, of course. Russell came late to the short story, but it was science fiction, and was odorous of morality.
"Here, I think, was Kuttner's flaw-- if flaw it is,and I for one do not consider it so. One cannot be polarized all the time, one cannot think politically from noon to night. That way is the way of the True Believer-- that is to say, finally, the Mad Man."

After the specifics are stripped away from current-day SF, all I am left reading is a negative quality. Without the convenient handles of politics or 'scientific innovation' or morality, I hardly see any emotion or genuine interest inherent in the work. Maybe a weak jibe, or some stilted, dated dialogue, but little else. Why should this be?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
05:40 / 16.10.03
Well, China Mieville and Michael Marshall Smith, most of Philip K. Dick's books don't have any overt political dimension, the same goes for Isaac Asimov and what I've read of Al Bester...

And you're confusing terms at the start. Are you against political writing or moralism, which are two seperate things? and which of these do you consider 'The Platform'?

Philip K. Dick wrote an essay about what he considered 'science fiction' was and he claimed that the most important part of it was speculative in nature, either changing the future from the present, or the present from a different past, or the past from a different... I would suggest that in such a situation it is difficult not to impose some sort of 'here's how I think things will be/should be/shouldn't be' but if you can define your terms a bit more, I'll see what I can suggest for you.
 
 
sleazenation
10:49 / 16.10.03
Also you use terms such as mdern science fiction, but what do you term as modern sci-fi ? Where do you place its origins?

HG Wells? or further back to Jonathan Swift? Either way the works of both these writers contained serious expository points that could arguably be termed political.
 
 
at the scarwash
01:18 / 19.11.03
Lady, how can you possibly say that Mieville is not political? Quite apart from the fact that he's a very active pinko (affectionate usage), issues of class and race are all over Perdido and The Scar. And PKD was obsessed with the issue of the police state, both in a political and a metaphysical sense.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
14:22 / 22.11.03
They are not political sci-fi books, they're sci-fi with political elements in.

And CMs personal beliefs are irrelevent. Writing about fascists does not mean one is a fascist.
 
 
at the scarwash
17:32 / 22.11.03
Well, no Writing about fascism of course does not a fascist make. Although, I believe that Mieville wears his political beliefs on his sleeves in his fiction. Not that that's a bad thing, although I think that that's one of his clumsier points.
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
18:36 / 22.11.03
Beyond this, Verne was a super-propagandist for humanities who said: you have a head, use it to guide your heart; you have a heart, use it to guide your head; you have hands with which to change the world. Head, hands, heart-- sum up all three, and remake Eden.

I thought Verne just wrote boys adventures, and that each of his books were mere travelling guides in disguise.


Hm, i think being apolitical nowadays is not a very wise thing to be if you're a writer; Jorge Luís Borges lost his Nobel exactly because he was only writing intelligent 'fantasy' stories, living in a South America of millitary juntas and tyrants, whereas Júlio Córtazar and Gabriel Garcia Márquez were politically active.

I think it has to do with how Literature has been perceived for centuries - as a tool to change society; that idea passes from generation to generation, and is particularly reinforced in times like ours, of political instability...

... so get ready for some guy writing about 'The Evil Imperialist Zorn invading The Poor Xlup,' and drawing parallels with America invading Iraq.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:41 / 04.07.04
Writing about fascists does not mean one is a fascist.

But it might make you an anti-fascist. And in the case of the depiction of the state in Perdido Street Station, it quite clearly does. I'm surprised that anyone would argue otherwise - it's hardly the subtlest element of Mieville's writing. Claiming that this isn't a dominant theme in said novel seems a bit like claiming that he isn't obsessed with dirt or insects, either...
 
 
Grey Area
19:26 / 04.07.04
The majority of readers need to be able to identify with what is portrayed within a book's pages. Sci-Fi has had to grapple with this issue in the past, as its very nature makes it harder to create worlds that people can identify with. Hence the use of established political and social systems within the realm of the fantastic as a means of allowing the reader to create a mental image of the world the narrative moves within.

Criticism of politics? Well, look at books like Starship Troopers, Stranger in a Strange Land and Asimov's Foundation series. All of these could be taken as a critique of the political systems that were in power, or threatening to establish themselves, at the time the books were written. It just takes more imagination and, perhaps more importantly, the desire to see this within what is written.

For instance, and apologies if this was already covered above, Perdido Street Station puts you as the reader in a tricky position: You see a fascist regime in the form of the City Government...yet for all intent and purpose, New Crobuzon works. In fact, it's a world power. You find youself (at least I found myself) at times thinking that yes, this system with all it's brutality and oppression of free thought is justified. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fascist nor am I in favour of it. But Mieville's portrayal does have the potential to make you think about the politics he portrays, while taking you along on a rollicking good yarn.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
05:20 / 05.07.04
Criticism of politics? Well, look at books like Starship Troopers, Stranger in a Strange Land and Asimov's Foundation series. All of these could be taken as a critique of the political systems that were in power, or threatening to establish themselves, at the time the books were written.

Although Heinlein queered that satirical pitch by getting progrressively madder and more right wing as time went on.

I think Bradbury fails to establish *why* political writing is a bad thing, for starters, and also that his critical perspective is pretty skewed. The idea, for example, that Orwell is held in critical regard somewhere between Kuttner and Vonnegut is a bit confusing. I'm sympathetic to the idea that an overtly political stance is likely to get in the way of a book's enjoyment if it leads to, for example, characters acting out of character or lengthy didactic passages (both of which Heinlein falls into, or for that matter L Ron Hubbard), but does the totality of modern science fiction fall into that trap? I don't know. No sci-fi I have read recently has been overtly political in that fashion, although I haven't read much sci-fi lately so I might just be unlucky. Geoff Ryman, Dan Simmons, the Culture novels... these all have some political ideas in them, but they are not political novels.

More generally, maybe you are looking for something that you're not getting from science fiction?
 
 
Grey Area
08:06 / 05.07.04
I'd argue that the Culture novels do contain a degree of political arguing, albeit wrapped up in a moralist stance. Consider that what is portrayed is a society that is, for want of a better term, pure consumption. The human element has no obligation to perform in government, fight in wars or engage in employment. Some volunteer to do so, but many just have a lifetime filled with leisure. This, to me, is what you get if you take our modern-day consumer-centred culture and extrapolate it's development, without major changes, a couple of hundred years into the future. We don't want to vote, we don't want to work, but we still want to play. The barb in the tail, which is an undercurrent in the Culture novels, is that to do this we will have to rely on a third party to provide the means by which we secure our existence. And this third party will not always be as benign and subservient as we expect it to be (the secret society in Excession, the implied conspiracy in Look to Windward and the proto-imperialist stance in The Player of Games).

Without the convenient handles of politics or 'scientific innovation' or morality, I hardly see any emotion or genuine interest inherent in the work. Maybe a weak jibe, or some stilted, dated dialogue, but little else. Why should this be?

Well, because Sci-Fi, from it's early beginnings, dealt with the future vision of society. You can't have a portrayal of what humanity might be up to thousands of years in the future without having some sort of political or moral framework to wrap your story around. Even the most B-grade, pulp Sci-Fi usually has some kind of Star Command, Galactic COuncil or somesuch power structure that can be referred to, albeit only as the source of the orders that send our daring crew to Planet X45787T to be eaten by the Slug Monsters of Gruu.

I think the lack of engaging Sci-Fi in recent years can indeed be traced back to a cause linked with the political and moral origins of the medium. It's the indifference of today's people towards these very issues. Sci-Fi's heyday was the era of political engagement, of marches, protests, and power struggles between idealistic nations. This state of affairs no longer exists, and one could argue that overall, this has reduced the demand for literature that expounds on "what could be". Instead we get a slew of literature writing about what's happening here and now (usually to complain about how shit everything is).

I'm not saying that every hippie, protester and idealist had a shelf-full of Asimov, Bradbury and Heinlein at home. The point I'm trying to make is that the popular climate breeds what authors write, and more importantly what publishers publish. Photographer Blowup might not be all that wrong: ... so get ready for some guy writing about 'The Evil Imperialist Zorn invading The Poor Xlup,' and drawing parallels with America invading Iraq.
 
 
Jester
20:49 / 11.07.04
I think it's actually something that is completely inherant in the medium. If you start out writing in a genre that by its very nature involves writing about other ways of doing things, other ways of organising the world, or even just personal life (the stepford wives, perhaps), you have to have some structure for doing that, otherwise it becomes meaningless. That old truism comes to mind, that science fiction is always about the present not the future/aliens/other world. Creating another world is going to be necessarily interconnected with an ideology.
 
  
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