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dr chaos and the chicago subway system

 
 
kid coagulant
16:57 / 13.03.02
fucking hell
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-1582316,00.html

<<<CHICAGO (AP) - A man charged with storing deadly cyanide in Chicago's subway waived his right to a bond hearing Wednesday before a federal magistrate who called him ``an extreme danger to the community.''

Joseph Konopka, 25, was returned to his cell after the five-minute hearing to await action by a federal grand jury investigating the stash of cyanide.

``The court is convinced that this defendant intended to do no good and that he intended to use the chemicals to harm the community,'' federal Magistrate Judge Edward A. Bobrick said.>>>

Guy calls himself 'Dr Chaos'. You wanna know where it's chaotic? Prison.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:21 / 13.03.02
Yes, I read about this character. Truly scary stuff:

quote:They called themselves the ``Realm of Chaos'' and damaged power stations and cellular phone and radio towers

Dear me. Look out, capitalism. Your days are numbered, for the Realm of Chaos are fucking up cellphone towers.

quote:Mixing the quantity of cyanide [a pound of sodium cyanide and four ounces of potassium cyanide] found in the subway with acid would create ``a very big puff'' of toxic gas

And what plans did he have for the cyanide?

quote: Konopka's family members believe he would have used the cyanide to kill himself to avoid prison time

Ah. Yes, I'm sure that was it. I'm sure he didn't plan to, say, release a plume of cyanide gas into an enclosed subway tunnel, killing goodness knows how many people and incidentally giving the powers that be an excuse to tighten the bloody screws on everyone else.

Saints preserve us from delusional idiots with an exaggerated sense of their own importance.
 
 
Rev. Jesse
17:28 / 13.03.02
But...

Chicago doesn't have a subway.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:43 / 13.03.02
The CTA seem to think they've got a subway.

Or maybe Dr. Chaos really is the last hope of anarchy, and it's all a big lizard plot?

[ 13-03-2002: Message edited by: Mordant C@rnival ]
 
 
kid coagulant
17:46 / 13.03.02
Dr Chaos attempts to gas a subway system that does not exist? Now, that's anarchy!
 
 
Rev. Jesse
17:47 / 13.03.02
As I recall, it is an elevated train system, not a subway. Course, its been a few years.
 
 
Persephone
17:49 / 13.03.02
Part of the train is elevated, part of it is underground. The elevated part is called the El, the underground part is called the subway.
 
 
Rev. Jesse
17:55 / 13.03.02
Well you learn something new every day.

I guess I should find out about this stuff if I am going to move there in the Fall.
 
 
The Voice of Reason
02:17 / 15.03.02
oh yeah, definitely subway...miles of subway...IF this guy decided to gas the subway, it would probably work. i take the "L," so it probably wouldnt bother me, but i could see it ruining a couple hundred thousand people's mornings. while i do agree that many of these people's mornings could probably stand a good ruining once in a while, deadly gas is wholly uncalled for. a stink bomb is considerably more appropriate..nerve gas at the most absolutely nihilistic...ah well, it just goes to show that no one has any style anymore...even half-baked nutcases cant hatch up rediculously clever and ironicaly funny acts of marxist terrorist angst anymore...they just kill people. how sublime.
i tell ya, if he ruined MY day, i'd be more than a little pissed..and one other thing...chicago cops dont need any excuse to crack down; they've been doing that for 50 years.
 
 
Rose
02:21 / 15.03.02
Well, I just thought that I should mention that some explorers went out on an expedition to the Chicago Freight Tunnels -- they’ve never been in the CTA -- with this very chap and found him to be a seemingly nice guy. From what I gather they didn’t really know anything about him -- but went with him nonetheless. When they first heard that he was arrested they didn’t believe it, as they had no reason he was a terrible threat to anyone -- they still don’t.

As for the actual chemicals they found, they were cyanide compounds that could theoretically be combined with other substance to create a poison. I am not condoning anything that he was planning on doing; I am just saying that it is yet to be determined what exactly his motivations were. As for it being converted to gas, it was not yet done… what he had stored wasn’t much more than a metal cleaning chemical. As for all his actions back in Wisconsin, I think he may have read Adbusters or the like a little too often and took an unusually anarchist view of it. I don’t personally know the guy or anything, but from what I have heard he isn’t a monster, as it were.

So.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
08:37 / 15.03.02
I read that he was keeping the cyanide by the UIC/Halsted stop on the Blue Line. The thing about that particular stop is that it's not IN the Loop (major downtown section), but the location would absolutely be a nice filter to hit everyone IN the Loop on the Blue Line, 'cuz you'd hit the Options Exchange and then all of the Blue Line downtown stops.

I certainly never expected such shennanigans on my subway line...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:05 / 15.03.02
Maybe I'm just cynical, and he really is a nice guy who planned to use the compounds for some non-murderous anarchical shenannigans, but you've got to admit it looks a bit dodgy.
 
 
alas
13:15 / 15.03.02
there's a brilliant, poetic essay by John Edgar Wideman in the March issue of Harper's magazine, which explores the use of the label terrorist which seems appropos here--
quote:From their initial appearance in English to describe the bloody dismantling of royal authority during the French Revolution (Burke's "thousands of those Hell-hounds called Terrorists . . . are let loose on the people") the words terror and terrorist have signified godless savagry. Other definitions--government by a system of coercive intimidation--have almost entirely disappeared. Seldom if ever perceived neutrally as a tool, a set of practices and tactics for winning a conflict, terror instead is understood as pure evil. Terror and terrorists in this Manichaean scheme are excluded from the problematic dignity of conventional warfare.

One side's use of terrorist to describe the other is never the result of reasoned exchange between antagonsists. It's a refusal of dialogue, a negation of the other. The designation terrorist is produced by the one-way gaze of power. Only one point of view, one vision, one story is necessary and permissable, since what defines the gaze of power is its absolute, unquestionable authority.

To label an enemy a terrorist confers the same invisibility a colonist's gaze confers upon the native. Dismissing the possibility that the native can look back at you just as you are looking at him is a first step toward blinding him and ultimately rendering him or her invisible, the business of owning him, occupying and exploiting his land, becomes much more efficient, pleasant.


thoughts?
 
  
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