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NYX #1

 
 
houdini
14:17 / 09.10.03

So I was in the store this morning on the way in to the office (late again). They didn't have any of my pull titles, but they did have the week's new releases and among them was NYX #1. I read it cover to cover and decided that if the trade looks good I'll get it.

So what is this thing? Well, it's another Marvel comic about a troubled young mutant discovering her powers. This is getting to be a bit of a theme at the House of Ideas, and in fact the whole thing is pretty much by-the-numbers:

SPOILERS: The whole plot is nutshelled in the next para.











We start with a flashback in which our heroine as a girl of about 6 sees her dad, a beat cop, get gunned down by random hoods. Now she's 16 and goes nightclubbing, pilling with a mate. She fights with her mom, a bit, steals some smokes, sasses back to gangstas on the streets and generally establishes herself as a teenaged rebel. Then she picks a fight in the schoolyard with a hispanic kid. Tension ensues. The issue culminates with the classic scene where he and his buddies are beating her and her sidekick in the hall and her powers kick in, freezing time. She touches his frozen body and his arm snaps like an icicle knocked with a hammer. Time kicks in and the issue ends.










So. This is nothing we haven't seen before in terms of plot. What is different is the choice of execution, particularly the (as yet) non-judgemental depiction of drug-taking, teengage smoking, family disfunction and uncouth language.

The scene where the hero is getting bullied in the school hall and suddenly develops mutant powers to help protect him is one of the all-time comics cliches, right up there next to the young hero beating up some toughs who are menacing a woman/old man in an alleyway. The Spider-Man movie had that scene and in fact the slow-time that Raimi used to depict spider sense is very similar to the way things play out in NYX. What interests me about this is the way the hero is depicted. Comics are mainly aimed at young men and it seems to me that the guys are mainly victims who stoically soak it up (so we can empathize with them) but girl characters get to be plucky, sassy hellions who go down swinging - the kind of girls that Joe Quesada thinks we'd like to date. This thesis may be total horseshit mind you, but I think there's at least an element of truth in it.

Overall, this book's well written and well drawn. There were a couple gratuitous panty shots that I really could've lived without. Yes I know she's a teenaged girl and maybe it is realistic that she sleeps in her underwear. You still could've chosen another "camera" angle.... But on the whole I think I'll look at this when it comes out en tradee (as the French say). It shows more promise than most of Marvel's other attempts to update superheroics for a contemporary audience.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
14:44 / 09.10.03
I loved it. Willing to argue with anyone about the gratuitous panty shots. Bring it on...

I picked this up on a whim... I have more than enough comics on my pull list (I don't actually have a pull list mind you) but I was intrigued by this enough to try the first issue.
This is how teen comics should be handled, I'd be happy if they kept powers out of this comic altogether but I know thats unlikely.
 
 
Mr Tricks
15:47 / 09.10.03
Yeah I dug it....

The art was FAB... and I currently have that "rave" scene as my desktop...

The build up is very Ultimate... yet it worked for me and while I look forward to seeing mutant town and Mutant culture in NYC... it would be nice to keep the costumes to a minimum...

I wonder how (if) it'll intersect with the rest of the Marvel New York...

My girlfriend looked at the cover and asked "what is this, New York on eXtacy?"


well sort of...
 
 
Porn Star Justice
19:58 / 09.10.03
This sounds pretty cool. It might be the first Marvel comic I'll have purchased since...damn I forget. Byrne's run on Namor?
 
 
CameronStewart
20:04 / 09.10.03
>>>Willing to argue with anyone about the gratuitous panty shots. Bring it on...<<<

The bedroom scene didn't bother me, but page 20, panel 3, under the school desk... Justify it, because I sure can't. From a storytelling standpoint that shot has nothing at all to do with anything other than a peek at a schoolgirl's crotch.

Having said this, I do very much like Middleton's artwork.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
20:17 / 09.10.03
Didn't notice that one to be honest... I think I'm impervious to gratuitous imagery.
If its an interesting angle, good composition and not xxx rated I'm sure they can get away with quite a lot.
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:37 / 09.10.03
From a storytelling standpoint that shot has nothing at all to do with anything other than a peek at a schoolgirl's crotch.


I took it as a sort of foreshadowing about this girl being so scared she was going to piss herself...

have you ever had that "I'm so scared I'm going to piss myself" tingling sensation?
How would you portray that?
 
 
THX-1138
23:42 / 09.10.03
Josh Middleton, has he done anything else besides his own Sky Between Branches #0 ?
 
 
FinderWolf
17:46 / 10.10.03
The art is great, but yeah, those shots are a little gratuitous.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
15:57 / 12.10.03
The cover is about the worst I have ever seen, tho.

And since they are going for the Manga audience, maybe those panty shots are "fan service".
 
 
sleazenation
16:04 / 12.10.03
worst cover? in what way? just you didn't like it or do you think its in contention for the worst cover ever?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
17:08 / 12.10.03
That guy gets so much praise from his fans but his super-skinny view of the ideal female figure is both disturbing and frankly reprehensible (IMO). His New Mutants covers have the worst proportion ever. Nightmare stuff.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
18:12 / 12.10.03
Why do I think it's the worst cover?

A lot fo reasons, but the main one is that it doesn't draw my attention in a way it should. The color is good, but the character's expression and style not only tells nothing about the story inside, but makes the book look...bad.

The lead female looks drunk, the design is way too busy and the pacifier hanging midair makes it all look wrong. As if the artist was trying to capture the look of a photo taken at the wrong point in time. Like when you are trying to get READY to have your picture taken. A LOT of Marvel's covers are bad when it comes to giving you any idea at all of what's happening inside the comic, but this cover makes it look like we're about to read an "Afterschool Special" or read child porn.

If you don't already know it's a mutant comic, you wouldn't have any way of telling.

I had the book on my pull list, and the cover actually tempted me to put it back.

And I would agree that the New Mutants covers have been pretty bad as well. Bland figure drawing in odd poses with no background don't entice me to try a comic.
 
 
CameronStewart
18:22 / 12.10.03
I actually think his New Mutants covers are some of his best work, but...to each their own.

"Reprehensible?"
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
18:23 / 12.10.03
It's more the BIG HEADS, BREASTS, tiny ickle super thin arms and legs that freak me out. bbbbrrrrrr.

Just wrong.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
18:26 / 12.10.03
Negative unhealthy body images, Cameron. All of his females look like they have eating disorders. We need much less of this in society as a whole, I think.
 
 
sleazenation
19:00 / 12.10.03
Solitaire rose said
it doesn't draw my attention in a way it should. The color is good, but the character's expression and style not only tells nothing about the story inside, but makes the book look...bad.

Interesting - i'm not quite sure what you mean about the way a comic SHOULD draw attention - surely covers are there to catch the eye and pique curiosity and - to a lesser extent create a distinctive brand image set aside from its competitors on the shelf - with its watercolour shades - distinctive logo and arresting cover image that has certainly provoked a response from you, NYX's cover surely accomplishes these things.


The lead female looks drunk, the design is way too busy and the pacifier hanging midair makes it all look wrong. As if the artist was trying to capture the look of a photo taken at the wrong point in time. Like when you are trying to get READY to have your picture taken. A LOT of Marvel's covers are bad when it comes to giving you any idea at all of what's happening inside the comic, but this cover makes it look like we're about to read an "Afterschool Special" or read child porn.

The girl is blissed out on E - its in the story that's whats on the cover - she's not drunk, she's come up. She's in a club with a crazy lightshow and a seratonin laping around her brain giving her all sorts of sensations. She's got her pacifier clasped lazily between her jaws, ready for her to chew if necessary.

What you say about an afterschool special is interesting - as noted above the narrative has not commented either way on the 'morality' or otherwise of dropping an E - and it doesn't look like its going to. It simply shows a young girl liveing the life of a young girl in NY city.

You don't know its a mutant comic? - is that important?

I can't comment on his new mutants cover because i haven't seen it but I'm not quite sure what why you are so vehermently opposed to the cover - it certainly stood out from the shelves for me.
 
 
sleazenation
19:14 / 12.10.03
Radiator - while i'm not sure i reallly want to get in a converation about relative breast size in a comics forum, but when i've gone out clubbing I've seen girls that look pretty much like that in the flesh - Not on TV, not on Magazine covers, not as a representation in the media but as a personal experience. Now of course YMMV but I actually think this is one marvel's less exploitative covers compared to, say the work of greg horn or the lolita-esque photo cover of Trouble...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
19:19 / 12.10.03
I'm not quite sure what why you are so vehermently opposed to the cover - it certainly stood out from the shelves for me.

I picked it up because of the cover. I was iffy on the content, I think I'm going to wait and reserve judgement for a while. It wasn't terrible, actually I felt rather apathetic about it, it could turn out to be bad or okay but let's face it, it won't be mind shatteringly fantastic.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
19:41 / 12.10.03
I'm not vehemetically opposed to the cover, I just thought it was BAD. If it is about a girl hopped up on E (I haven't read the book yet, as I'm still going through the interviews in TCJ), is that what you think will sell?

I thought it was exploitation, same as the covers of Trouble (which actually kept me from buying the comic...I'll try it as a trade if I hear good things, but no one here has said any). And it SHOULD give an idea as to what you will find in the comic, so it should give an indication that it's a super-hero or mutant book of some kind.

Why?

NYX means nothing. Unless you've kept up on all the news reports and Previews it's meaningless.

Most stories in comics and movies that have to do with raves is bad at best. It's the equivelent of the "Frat Party" in entertainment. I don't cast aspersions on Rave culture, but for movies, TV and comics it has become "generic party".

A cover is an ad for the book, and possibly the ONLY ad most buyers will see, so it should be something that gives an idea of what is going on in the comic, and to pitch this as "Mutant Girls Gone Wild" is just a bad idea.

But what do I know, I still think covers should actually either show a scene from the comic to get me interested, or be a great "poster" that shows off the artist's work. I also hate the Punisher covers because they don't meet these two "criteria", which are my personal biases.
 
 
sleazenation
20:58 / 12.10.03
I'm not vehemetically opposed to the cover, I just thought it was BAD. If it is about a girl hopped up on E (I haven't read the book yet, as I'm still going through the interviews in TCJ), is that what you think will sell?

yeah I think it will sell - i've certainly spoken to people both male an female who found the situations and interatctions refreshingly realistic - the overplot has yet to prove itself however...

In the first issuethere is very little in the way of references to the marvel universe - an interestion class assignment to compare the works of Martin Luther King Jnr and Charles Xavier and a possible mutant power manifesting at the end of the issue. This comic is not tightly tied into the continuity logjam of the monthly going ons of the x-univers or the rest of the MU - its not about people dressing up in costumes and fighting crime and, if the press reports are to be believed - it isn't going to be.

Its about the kids. Kids in the marvel universe, true - some kids who might be mutants, but primarily its about the kids. Its got a kid on the cover - its about her - inside she does drugs , like many kids do- she's high on the cover - I think it does all the things you say you want from a cover.


Most stories in comics and movies that have to do with raves is bad at best. It's the equivelent of the "Frat Party" in entertainment. I don't cast aspersions on Rave culture, but for movies, TV and comics it has become "generic party".


So, what - cos something hasn't been done well in the past it shouldn't be attempted again? I don't think so - and what's more as it has been noted this does actually cover the club and school scenes in a way that rang truer to me than many other portrayals - that's not to say its the best but it certainly isn't cringe inducingly bad...

A cover is an ad for the book, and possibly the ONLY ad most buyers will see, so it should be something that gives an idea of what is going on in the comic, and to pitch this as "Mutant Girls Gone Wild" is just a bad idea.


Again, this statement i find interesting - It seems to speak as much about your own prejudices as much as it does about the book (which you say you have not read). As i have said its about more realistic style kids than we usually see in the MU doing stuff that kids. Some of them take drugs, some are in gangs and one of them is a mutant. If you read that as "Mutant Girls Gone Wild" that is down to your perceptions. and if you think it is a bad idea (as opposed to simply not liking the idea) that is again down to you.

But what do I know, I still think covers should actually either show a scene from the comic to get me interested, or be a great "poster" that shows off the artist's work. I also hate the Punisher covers because they don't meet these two "criteria", which are my personal biases.

What i don't get is this cover, as i have aluded to, does both those things - it shows the lead character blissed out as occurs in the book - it also be a poster, and probably will end up being so for some club night... it is even the work of the interior artist (which is more than many comic covers are)... As you say, it all just comes down to personal preferences and biases, but it seems to me that your biases are actually catered for in this cover.


For what its worth I picked it up on the strenth of the recommendations listed earlier in this thread - and found it, interesting and fun - it didn't make me go weak at the knees and want to buy the next issue no matter what (as i felt with human target) but it was certainly refreshing to see some realistic character interaction and a realistic depiction of drug use and violence. YMMV


(its also odd you claim not to have heard anything good about the comic - here are a few quotes from the thread above... Myself , as i said above I'm not yet convinced this is going to be a rip-snorting read but it has jumped out of the shelves and distinguished itself from most other comics out-there in terms of what its willing to cover - ok mainly this boils down to drugs and teen violence which won't necessarily be enough to carry the book n the long term but it certainly is head and shoulders above its contemporary title, Crimson Dynamo...)

So. This is nothing we haven't seen before in terms of plot. What is different is the choice of execution, particularly the (as yet) non-judgemental depiction of drug-taking, teengage smoking, family disfunction and uncouth language.

It shows more promise than most of Marvel's other attempts to update superheroics for a contemporary audience.

This is how teen comics should be handled, I'd be happy if they kept powers out of this comic altogether but I know thats unlikely.

)
 
 
CameronStewart
00:11 / 13.10.03
>>>Negative unhealthy body images, Cameron. All of his females look like they have eating disorders. We need much less of this in society as a whole, I think. <<<

I see your point. I suppose I didn't pick up on this because I am a cartoonist, and I see Middleton's drawings as stylized cartoons, not realistic or "ideal" representations. As stated earlier I'm more bothered by the panty shots than I am by the skinny bodies/large heads.

I like his work.
 
 
diz
02:59 / 13.10.03
i love this comic.

the cover was one of the first things that sold me on it when i saw it as a preview image a few months ago. the character, as has been noted earlier, is not drunk, she's rolling her tits off, and as such, it looks exactly like it should. Middleton has it perfect here - from the expression on her face to the bold color scheme to the angle that the pacifier is hanging out of her mouth. in general, the art inside is just as good. this is a really aggressively Pop book in terms of visuals and it works like a charm. i had the rave image as a desktop for a bit, too, after it came out as a preview. it's gorgeous.

story and plot wise, it's predictable, but i'd like to second the opinion that it's right on in terms of tone and mood and the dialogue. i'm glad that the kids are using drugs in a more-or-less non-judgemental way, and i'm glad that the characters are neither perfectly innocent nor cartoonishly bad-ass. they're just ... real.

i'm really looking forward to #2.
 
 
the Fool
04:17 / 13.10.03
Me like. Maybe not the most profoundly new and original comic ever, but still worth the price of admission. Pretty to look at, and a story that seems at little more authentic than your usual 'teens wif superpowers' shtick. We'll see how it pans out.
 
 
Axel Lambert
13:43 / 20.10.03
I loved the cover; had hoped that rest of artwork would be as good, and sometimes it is (such as in two-page rave scene). But the story was cliché, and those graphic "effects" a bit annoying: when the background is out of focus, and when nyx blows smoke in the face on the bully.
 
  
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