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Half-Life 2 source code pinched

 
 
Ariadne
09:23 / 07.10.03
I need geek help (for work). Anyone know anything about this? Someone's pinched the source code for Half-Life 2 and is -- apparently -- 'circulating it on the Internet'. If you see it floating by your screen, let me know?

Also - what the hell can they do with it now? Suggestions on a postcard please.
 
 
Sax
10:02 / 07.10.03
You've probably already seen this.
 
 
Ariadne
10:16 / 07.10.03
Yeah, thanks, I have been reading through all the half-life sites. I was just hoping someone had seen it being offered about the place.
 
 
Lurid Archive
10:21 / 07.10.03
Don't really know anything about this, but I thought I might offer some opinions that you probably already know about. Ah well.

You should put this in context. For the gaming community, Half Life was one of the biggest games ever. Lots of critical acclaim and extremely popular. So someone nicking the code to HL2 is like someone nicking a draft of the next Harry Potter novel. It may well have been done for no reason at all but pure fandom.

That said, I did read that they didn't get any levels just the engine(?). In which case I would find out whether the engine has been produced specifically for HL2. If it has, industrial espionage is a remote possibility, if not it would probably rule it out.

If it is a crime of fandom, what they may want to do is start producing mods and levels for HL2. Its a bit geeky, though a successful mod can earn money and employment for the designers.
 
 
Ariadne
10:25 / 07.10.03
I'll check that out about the engine/ levels - thanks.
 
 
fluid_state
15:37 / 07.10.03
Well, according to Valve, only a third of the source was released. Whether thats a third of the total game, or just a third of the engine I do not know. Valve maintains that there will be no delay (the game will ship for the holidays), but there are unconfirmed (and quite sensible) rumours that HL2 will be delayed a few months.

Not sure if they should delay the game. On the one hand, it may be a fairly decent disciplinary action (most effective if the hackers were from the world of fandom; questionable if the hackers were a rival company). Leaked source will make it easier for cheats, bots, tweaks, and cracks to work their nasty magic on the online gaming community. Damn shame that the guys at Valve have to bust their asses extra hard this close to release.
 
 
YNH
17:27 / 07.10.03
There is indeed a delay. HL2 won't be out until next April. Valve intends to rewrite the stolen code. The engine has already been licensed. The first game released utilizing the engine will be (was?) Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines. So I doubt it was only the engine, since bits and pieces of that will probably become public domain in short order.
 
 
w1rebaby
18:23 / 07.10.03
I heard somewhere that the source contained bits of GPLed and (other people's) proprietory code... though I don't imagine that will go to court, given the way the evidence was obtained.
 
 
salix lucida
19:47 / 07.10.03
fridge: apparently, it's LGPL'd, and thus perfectly legit the way they did it. (the difference, from what I understand, being that limited GPL isn't a replicating license - you can use it retaining the original copyright comments in the code, but don't need to release your own code under that license).

As for everything else, yeah, it's pretty much screwed them only in the "Cheats are going to be complete hell if they don't rewrite a lot of stuff" sort of way. which is still a big way. Any gaming company big enough to be competition* is going to stay soo far away from it just out of fear of copyright accusations later, which is helpful in a way. My reaction to the issue is mostly emotional, no matter what the reasoning behind it was. it's just..... wrong somehow.

* not that game companies are really competition for each other.. if someone's going to buy one game, they're quite likely to buy others. It's TV and such that are the competition, but that's a different rant.


--somewhere in gamedev hell,
faething.
 
  
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