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Mapping the iconography of Asian cinema/tv - men

 
 
No star here laces
05:54 / 07.10.03
Most of us westerners are pretty familiar with the archetypes/iconography of American cinema. The cowboy, the rebel, the mobster, the petty criminal, the authority figure, the redneck - these are all easily identifiable and can be discussed at length.

I'm curious as to what the equivalents are in Asian culture. I'm not going to lie - this will be really useful to me in my job, but it's also fascinating in its own right...
 
 
No star here laces
06:01 / 07.10.03
So to break it down, I thought we could start with men.

My first suggestion is the character I'll call the dedicated avenger.

The dedicated avenger is the character who has been wronged in some way and has therefore given up hope of a happy or fulfilling life in the conventional sense in favour of a single-minded pursuit of some kind of personal justice. He is extraordinarily proficient (usually at fighting) and has great subtlty and attention to detail, but only in a really narrow sphere of action.

Good examples of this character might be the Toshiro Mifune character in Yojimbo and my personal favourite Ogami Itto in Lone Wolf and Cub.

The character has no significant relationships with other humans except where it relates to his task. He isn't interested in sex, but does have a sense of honour and doesn't harm others unneccessarily, however he isn't bound by the same rules and conventions that other members of society might obey. Hence Ogami Itto flaunts the 'proper' etiquette of sword-fighting, but will put himself at risk to protect an innocent girl being sold into prostitution.
 
 
NotBlue
20:57 / 17.10.03
Shy Guy Kung fu killa - as typified by eighties jackie chan/yuen biao and jet li films - nicest guy in the world until pushed too far, then lethal killing machine - but always scared and pursued by predatory woman, going back to bruce lee in way of the dragon.
 
 
Seth
09:24 / 18.10.03
The kid in the giant robot - lonely/neglected/bullied/disenfranchied teenager (usually 12-15), often female, becomes a robot pilot, thus validating and completing them in some manner. There's usually a symbiosis between child and machine, the one can't do without the other. This relationship makes the child a custodian of the lives of others, saviour and protector.
 
 
HCE
22:19 / 30.10.03
Brigitte Lin's got her own micro-icon -- the man who either becomes female or is revealed to have been female, with the strange and awesome powers concommitant with such defiance of categorization.

Best as seen in Swordsman II, Dragon Inn, see also Ashes of Time.
 
 
illmatic
06:43 / 31.10.03
Following Duncan's post above, I'd add that the ShyGuys often seem terrified of sex or the expression of sexuality. I'm thinking of Jackie Chan here - presumably this is something to do with Asian Cinema and TV having a bit of a problem with sex and trying to keep things very PG, not wanting to upset the audience with a toop deep or challenging exploration. A lot of Jackie Chan characters remind me of 8 year old boys: "Stupid Girls! I'm going to be the best martial artist in the world!"
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
13:06 / 31.10.03
There's the noble chinese hero role, best exemplified by Jet Li's portrayal of Wong Fei Hung in the 'Once Upon a Time in China' series. He's a kung fu master, a doctor of chinese medicine, and a pillar of the community. Everything about his behaviour is imppecable and exemplary, but he tends to get fucked with by cowardly, unscrupulous, and generally western antagonists who don't have any honour. This gives them a temporary advantage over him, but he wins out because of his pure heart and kung fu mastery.

This role is interestingly de-tourned by Ching Ying Lam's character in 'The Prodigal Son' where he possesses all of the qualities of the noble chinese hero but with pronounced sexual ambiguity. he plays an actor in the peking opera nicknamed 'girlie man' who is extremely effeminate, spends much of the film in drag, but is a noble kung fu master. There's some quite interesting stuff going on in that film.

Another archetype that crops up in a lot of hong kong films is the 'buck toothed apprentice'. This guy is generally found in the school ran by the noble chinese hero. He's provides a slapstick comedy element and almost always has these weird buck teeth.

Then there's the Drunken Master, who on the surface of things is a comedy foil - not too far removed from the buck toothed fool, but it's all really an act to create a false sense of security as they're really just a pissed up, childlike, possibly enlightened version of the noble chinese hero.

More later when I get the chance.
 
 
No star here laces
02:27 / 06.11.03
Buck-toothed apprentice! Love it, so true...

Similarly you sometimes get that Kicked Dog character - the old peasant/shopkeeper who is so worn down by years of abuse and ill fortune that he spends the whole film cowering and bleating in a way that is slightly uncomfortably used for comic relief.

And I really like the way that in Seven Samurai Kurosawa brings this guy into the foreground with Mifune's character adopting the old peasant, Yohei, overtly and looking after him.

The kicked dog character always survives as well!
 
 
grant
20:21 / 06.11.03
What makes a martial arts/yakuza villain different from a Western or gangster villain?
 
 
grant
20:38 / 06.11.03
For one thing, it seems like in Hong Kong pitchas, the villain is often intimately involved with the hero. There is some sort of debt or obligation between them. I've seen this in some kung fu pitchas from mainland China, too. It's even true in Red Firecracker, Green Firecracker, which isn't really a genre film at all. Spirited Away runs along a similar line, with the heroine's buddy/protector being owned/employed by the antagonist. So maybe call this the indebted enemy. This one John Woo comes back to *all the time*.

(Also, the woman in man's clothing is a long and vital tradition in China -- it's in Red Firecracker, Green Firecracker, it's in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon two different ways, it's in Wing Chun. Goes all the way back to the Woman Warrior legend Mulan was based on.)
 
 
Math is for suckers!
20:52 / 06.11.03
The mentally disturbed child/child-like killer. Characters like Akira and Tetsuo in Akira, as well as Ichi in Ichi the Killer, and the kid who joined up for fun in Battle Royale. And I dont know if this counts, but Go Go Yubari in Kill Bill.
 
 
Seth
05:11 / 07.11.03
I think you can very comfortably add Sadako and the girl from Audition to the list of abused children out of death/vengeance.
 
  
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