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The Four Elements & DNA .....

 
  

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h3r
17:22 / 06.10.03
I heard a very interesting theory, and I was wondering if any of you are familiar with it or have any ideas regarding it....

Here is a very simplified version:
Our "mindpatterns" dictate / create our DNA which in turn creates our physical manifestation.
DNA is made up of 4 protein bases, and by manipulating the relationships / combinations between those 4 protein bases, our physical manifestations can be manipulated. (the possibillities of manipulation are "limited" by the fact that 97% of all DNA is the same, whether human, elephant or amoeba, so this allows for a common reality experience that has rules that all DNA based manifestations are bound to)
Knowledge about these 4 building blocks of reality has been symbolically referred to as the 4 elements.....

Also, whats the history on the "four Elements" Air, Fire, Water, Earth , who labeled them as such first? I am sure different cultures came up with them under different names...who has some info/wisdom on this?
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
00:35 / 07.10.03
I have seen a book that went further than this. Relating the dna to the I ching. I will dig it out and get back to you.
 
 
illmatic
06:59 / 07.10.03
This is the book that Nietchze is refering to. I don't know about that idea

As to who came up with 'em first, I don't know. Certainly as Tattvas, the ideas that the GD picked up on, this is coming from India, and seesm to be a misunderstanding of a more complex system. But then again the 4 humours and so on is something that's been kicking around our culture for a few thousand years. From the Greeks maybe, can any classicists comment and let us know where this concept kicks off?
 
 
Scrubb is on a downward spiral
08:31 / 07.10.03
[science geek alert] DNA is made up of 4 nucleic acid bases (A,C,T and G), not proteins. Proteins are made up of amino acids; the order of the nucleic acids in DNA determines the order of the amino acids. [/science geek alert]

But the same ACTG/four elements principle still applies.
 
 
Aertho
12:22 / 07.10.03
As cool as DNA is, being a dual helix and all... it's RNA (plain-old ribonucleic acid) that does all the work. DNA is a constantly moving "structure" due to all the RNA bits floating in between the base pairs and the ribosomes on the endoplasmic reticulum OUTSIDE the nucleus. Some single-celled organisms don't even have DNA.

The point of this public service announcement is to say: DNA uses four bases, adenine, guanine, cytosine, and thymine to make up the genetic chain. But RNA, wonderful and essential RNA, uses a different base, uracil, in place of thymine.

So, if the idea is to draw associations of fire=thymine, adenine=water, etc... keep in mind that there's a fifth element that's essential to life as we know it.
 
 
h3r
16:47 / 07.10.03
yes the RNA comment is a good one, I also believe that Uracil can be interpreted as the "spirit" element....

king scrubb, thnx for the science alert, as I was saying, my initial presentation of the idea was very simplified...so any details you can supply will add to the concept of the idea

thnx for the link to the Schonberger book, just ordered my used 4$ copy.....
but dont expect me to relay any info from that source too soon, I'm currently reading about 20 books at the same time......

so still no leads on the history of the Four ( or shall we say 4+1) elements?
A pretty prominent display would be the Enochian system, what about the egyptians, sumerians, etc......someone please refresh my memory....
 
 
mixmage
16:51 / 07.10.03
Illmatic! Perhaps this is the book Nietzsch is referring to... it's the one on my bookshelf, at least.

Cheers for the tip on the other books, though.

I can recall posting the comment "DNA & I Ching" to some discussion quite a while back, but can't find the thread... will keep hunting
 
 
h3r
17:44 / 07.10.03
this book looks interesting also. doesnt appear to relate directly to DNA though, does it?
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
21:13 / 07.10.03
Thanks mixmage that is the one I was refering to I just found it on my shelf too. It is all about dna and the i ching. The book uses the old family order to represent dna and a different order to represent the rna.
 
 
h3r
18:07 / 08.10.03
go figure...just got an email that the book I ordered is out of stock, so i switched my order to the "tao of chaos" which i probably better anyways since both mixmage and nietzsch recommend it!

so, besides that, I can't believe noone has any more historic details or tidbits on the 4 elements...?!?!
 
 
Vadrice
07:03 / 09.10.03
I'm sure it's not the first, but Aristotle is quoted with the four element theory by traditional western scholarship. It was not a literal theory but intended to describe four metaphorical forms of being. Put non-metaphoricly they would come out to solid, liquid, gas, energy.

To further clarify this whole RNA fifth element confusion, the fifth element (spirit) is best placed into a comperable metaphor here.
 
 
akira
14:19 / 18.10.03
Can someone show me a double helix pic?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
14:23 / 18.10.03
 
 
_Boboss
15:37 / 18.10.03
sorry to be a rotter, but don't forget weak force, strong force, gravity, electromagnetism and consciousness [or information, or meaning. i'm never quite clear what abstract to use for the fifth one], and as i prefer it reed, sue, ben, jonny and me.
 
 
Aertho
16:27 / 18.10.03
Reed = weak force = air = analysis = cytosine

Sue = strong force = water = compassion = adenine

Ben = gravity = earth = manifestation = thymine

Johnny = electromagnetism = fire = willpower = guanine

reader/writer = consciousness = spirit = transformation = uracil

Kickass!
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
01:30 / 28.10.03
The four amino acids of DNA or RNA combine to create four letter "words". The number of different combinations, or "words", is 64.

64 is the number of different symbols in the I-ching. It is also (if you include the quilipoth (is that how you spell it?) of all the spheres and paths) the total number of symbols in the caballah.

Also, it's the number of squares on the chessboard. The chessboard has 4 sides, and the 64 are divided into two groups - black and white - like the caballah.

By the way, I love the idea of Uracil as the Quintessence.

Also, I feel I should mention the Evangelists and their respective symbolic animals -

John = Eagle = air

Matthew = Man = water

Luke = Bull = earth

Mark = Lion = fire

? = spirit
 
 
Elbereth
03:19 / 28.10.03
I don't know much about magick but i do not understand the uracil connection to the fifth element. If uracil in RNA translates into thymine in DNA and neither is found in the other molecule then how can uracil be a different and new element? It seems to me that the fifth element would be either RNA itself as the expression of the DNA or the sugar molecule that the four nitrogen bases bond onto to form the DNA chain. I'm also studying organic chem so maybe I'm just being to literal with this metaphor.
 
 
Aertho
18:53 / 28.10.03
I'll field this one. Prior to going to graphic design school, I was actually considering going into either genetic engineering or psychology. In retrospect, I think I should've trumped it all and joined the Army as a code-breaker.

Okay, so we've got the ATGC amino acids being the consituents of DNA. Those in the know are familiar with DNA being responsible for keeping the codes for protein synthesis in the nucleus. RNA is actually free-floating amino acids that combine when lined up along DNA strips. The RNA, now in shorter sections called codons, then travels between the main house of the nucleus to the ribosomes on the endoplasmic reticulum, where actual proteins are created.

So the point of this thread to to make the connection between DNA coding and magickal analogs —which we all recognize as psychological/spiritual conceptualizations. And I'm going to go far enough to say that these biomolecular "codes" can be seen as an analogy for codes for ideas too. So... within a single human mind, Compassion, Volition, Analysis and Manifestation line up to create actual ideas.

But in order for these ideas to transcend the human mind and become actual viral memes, they gotta become the equivalent of RNA. Thus Manifestation drops out of the equation, and is replaced by Spirit or Consciousness.

Now to continue the Fantastic Four comparison, in order for a story to be told(the idea of the FF into a communicable legend), Spirit can be seen as the conceptual interaction between the reader and the writer. Ben Grimm, The Thing, serves as the vessel for replacement in those stories. Understanding Comics sums up the idea of the generalized character becoming the image for the reader to super-impose his/her own presence in the story. The disfigured Ben Grimm becomes the fictionsuit for both the reader and the writer, thus cementing(earth) the meme as it travels throughout the world.

Say it with me... Kickass!
 
 
grant
21:01 / 28.10.03
? = spirit

Acts. It's the next book after the gospels, and it tells the story of Pentecost.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
21:17 / 28.10.03
Like it. But what would would the symbolic animal of Spirit be?
 
 
Aertho
21:47 / 28.10.03
Not everything works as an analogy... the four beasts of the evangelists work becasue they also work in the zodiac and other stuff. I often think that it's all these analogies that clog up understanding becasue people think they have to make everything fit before they move on.

Spirit epecially because it's the most ubiquitous and most ephemeral of all the elements. It's also not present in most systems. Spirit responds to transformation, motion, time... cool?

But... if it's absolutely necessary, I suggest a butterfly.
 
 
angelvanilla
05:31 / 29.10.03
How might we factor in the tarot trumps 4 & 5 into our developing metaphor? The Emperor being the law maker and representation of the divine Law on earth, and the Heirophant being the keeper of the word of the Law and holder of the keys to heaven and hell.
 
 
The Fetch
06:05 / 29.10.03
I can add the following...

That the First 4 signs of the Zodiac are Aries Taurus Gemini and Cancer, or ACTG. CAT is Pi, or 3.14, while GAT is Pi when G is linked to the Hebrew. Since T is Pi as the Tau, and the Tau is a link to the Tau R Us (as in Toys R Us), then the Tau and Taurus would have an energetical link.

Havent discerned nor tried to understand what this is so, but something to consider as a piece of the puzzle. It can always be thrown away.

I will cut and paste in some observations during my work with the Isisian Codes which supports the thesis of this thread...

The Fetch
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:11 / 29.10.03
I don't have anything to add right now, but I wanted to say that this is becoming one of the most interesting threads I've seen in the magick for a long time.
 
 
The Fetch
10:04 / 29.10.03
A little more on the idea of 4 to 5 set in English Qaballa.

The 4 Path goes from Taurus to Pisces, while the 5 path goes from Pisces to Cancer. In this scenario, thought as set in Taurus is what is known as "projected thought", or thought and events which are planned out in a 6 month time sequence (on average). As time recedes (comes to the Seeker), the path of the Emporer takes on back to Pisces in the form of what is called "Raw Emotion", which is essentially an event that has just come to pass and is still being assimilated into ones collective reservoir of knowledge. This reservoir of knowledge will follow two paths, one to Aquarius which is defined as "process emotion" in that Aquarius is still a water sign but that of the Intellect of Air equally. We also define this as "processed Emotion" or "intellectualised emotions".

From Pisces, this unprocessed emotion, which is a result of time as it recedes to the seeker, can also be absorbed into the home sign of Cancer, wherein we note the desing of a 6 and a 9 and additional codesets in the very name.

This immediate processing and enacting of raw and unprocessed emotion is fed back to the Seeker through the Heirophant. The skill of the Heirophant determines the degrees of heaven or hell as one deals with the newly unprocessed stimuli which we define as "e" motion.

In each case, the lynch pin or "sephirah" between the Emporer and Heirophant is that of Pisces, while the Tarot meet card/path is that of the High Priestess. In otherwords, since the Cipher channels are comprised of paths within themselves, it is clear that we can then affix multiple symbols to each cipher pin (Sepherot).


From a development point of view, we refer to this as "raw" or "unprocessed emotion", which is set against Pisces and the High Priestess.

The Fetch
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
21:57 / 29.10.03
Found some history -

The Celectial animals (ie Ezekiel's vision) was related to the Evangelists by Papias, a disciple of St John the Evangelist, the author of Revelation. Originally, Mark = Eagle, & John = Lion, but the change to the modern system was championed by Jerome.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
22:15 / 29.10.03
The Elemental system was originally a trinity – Fire, Water, and Air. In this fashion they appear in Marlowe’s Doctor Faustus, (1604), directly related to the Three-Person’d God – “Sint mihi dei Archerontis propitii! Valeat numen triplex Jehovae! Ignei, aerii, aquatani spiritus, salvete!” This trinity is there in the Cabala; ALP (t), MEM (n), and SHIN (a), the Mother letters, the only three letters in the Hebrew alphabet that have values in the hundreds.

But the fourfold symbolism seems to be fundamental to human thought - The four Corners of the World; the four winds that blow across it; the four points of the compass. The stage of the whole world, the chessboard of existence, is a square, as is the Veil of Maya.
Ezekiel, Ch 1; “…they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.” It will be noted that the Sphinx is a combination of these four animals – the body of an ox, the tail and claws of a lion, the wings of an eagle and the head of a man.

James Joyce puns on these identifications in Finnegans Wake; Marcus Lyons, Johnny McDougal, Matt Gregory, and Luke Tarpey, the four old men who stand at the corners of Earwicker’s bed.
By the time that Goethe published his version of the Faust legend in 1808, the three-fold elemental system that had originated with the Alchemists had been almost entirely replaced with the more familiar four, which originated from Empedocles in the 5th Century BC. Immediately before summoning Mephistopheles in his study, Faust recites the names of the elemental spirits, the mythical creatures which symbolise them:

“Scorching SALAMANDER, burn,
NYMPH of WATER, twist and turn,
Vanish, SYLPH, to thy far home,
Labour vex thee, drudging GNOME.”

According to Aristotle, the elements each embodied a certain quality. They were described in terms their wetness and their coldness. So, Fire is hot and dry: Water is the exact opposite, cold and wet; Air was seen as cold and dry; while Earth was hot and wet.
Further, they relate each to one of the Four Humors, of the Greek physician Galen (2nd Century AD). According to this theory, the four Humors by which a person may be affected are Melancholic (sad & pensive) which relates to Earth; Choleric (angry & passionate) which was Fire; Sanguine (ardent & hopeful) was Air; and Phlegmatic (sluggish indifference) was Water.
The Cross, especially equal-armed versions such as the Templar cross and the Swastika, is the symbol of the balancing of four elements, as the Star of David is the symbol of the balancing of two. Jung’s writing on the quaternical structures in the mandala, another symbol of unity, will be illuminating here.
In the heavily coded Alchemical texts they used many different systems of terms to mean the Elements, and also the various stages of the Great Work.
Elemental imagery is clear in the suits of both the Tarot deck and the more familiar modern deck. In fact, the names of suits of the modern deck are believed to be a corrupted version of the more obviously symbolic Tarot suits. So, the Wands, representing Fire, became Clubs, via the French, baton; and the Swords, for Air, became Spades; Cups became Hearts, both Female symbols, representing Water; and Pentacles, sometimes called Disks or Coins and representing Earth, became Diamonds. Elemental symbolism also appears in several of the Trump designs themselves; for example, Atu 21, The Universe, has one of the Evangelical emblems in each of its corners, and Atu 1, called The Juggler or The Magician, shows a man with possession of all four elemental symbols.
This probably relates to the idea that the suits refer to the four functions of Man. The Magical Weapons, the Wand, Sword, Cup and Pentacle, respectively represent the Will, the Reason, the Understanding, and the Body. Of these four, only Understanding may be unclear - it refers to the female aspect of mind (intuition, refined emotion and holistic comprehension), as opposed to the male aspect Reason (cold dissecting logic, detail). It is by mastery of these four faculties that the Magician is able to elicit change in the Universe.
The Buddha Gautama described the Four Noble Truths that lead to Nirvana.
In William Blake’s complex mystical cosmology, this four-fold World system is named the Zoas. These four gods are the “four mighty Ones in every Man” and have a number of different correspondences, summarised below.

Element Function Direction Sense Art Continent
Tharmas Water Body West Taste Painting America
Urizen Air Reason South Sight Architecture Africa
Luvah Fire Passion East Smell Music Asia
Los/ Earth Imagination North Hearing Poetry Europe
Urthona

As can be seen, these attributions only occasionally match the traditional ones, for instance, in putting Reason with Air. Blake’s attributions should be taken as a contribution to a constantly evolving system, not as a contradiction of a long-established dogma.

In the Cabala, the Quaternical system is the Tetragrammaton, the four-letter name of God, commonly pronounced Yahweh or Jehovah. In Hebrew vuvh, Yod Heh Vau Heh, it neatly ties up all the traditional elemental symbolism with the Neo-Platonic creation myth.
Each Hebrew letter has a symbol meaning in itself: Yod (h) is male, the Father, representing Force or Will, and in this interpretation signifies the initial Divine Spark, the Will of God. On the Tree of Life it is the second Sephiroth, Chokmah. “God said, Let there be light, and there was light.” (Gen. 1:3). It corresponds to Fire, the Wand.
Next is Heh (j), female, which is the Mother and signifies fertility and form. It corresponds to Water and the Cup, and such symbolism is also seen in Genesis – “The Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” (Gen 1:2) It is also the Sephiroth Binah.
Their union produces Vau (u), the Son, which corresponds to the Sepharoth Tiphareth, and to the Sword. It represents Air, and it can be noted that Air is, like the Son, a union of it’s parents – it has the dryness of Fire, but the coldness of Water.
Finally comes the final Heh, which is the Daughter. She is the Earth, the Sepharoth Malkuth, and the Pentacles. She completes the cycle, completing the polarity below to match the polarity above.
This Father-Mother-Son-Daughter system is analogous to the Gnostic creation myth –the Father is En Soph, the True Living God, from whom issues the Mother, Sophia. She, in turn, produces the Son, the Demiurge, or Creator, who created the World of Men, represented by the Daughter. The system is also present in the court cards, the Kings, Queens, Princes, and Princesses, of the Tarot deck.

The Pythagoreans illustrated the importance of four in a symbol called the Tetractys (Left). It contains the ratios 2:3, 3:2, and 4:3, their Holy Diversity, which were important to their ideas about the intervals of the octave. “Progress from oneness to the number four” wrote Pythagoras, “and the ten emerges, the Mother of all things.”

Scientific parallels include the three dimensions of space plus one of time within which all of our Universe is framed. Alfred Douglas describes the four Evangelical emblems as “the quaternary of powers which ensure the stability of the cosmic processes.” (The Tarot, 1972) Thus, they might neatly represent the four fundamental forces which, according to modern Physics, operate in the Universe – the Electromagnetic, Gravity, Weak Nuclear, and Strong Nuclear forces.
 
 
Aertho
04:48 / 30.10.03
More Fictionsuits!

Dorothy = Pentacle, or Imagination
Scarecrow = Sword, or Reason
The Tin Man = Cups, or Emotion
The Cowardly Lion = Wands, or Soul

... and Toto is the Quintessance?

Good call on Blake mythos... His Zoas were interesting, but he also broke them up into four incarnations each. These forms are called “Humanity”, “Spectre”, “Emanation”, and “Shadow”. Problem is, the sound to me like bad riffs on qlippothic integral psychology.

Humanity: (Ego?) Superman
In the four-fold division of the individual into Humanity, Spectre, Emanation, and Shadow, the Humanity is the essential identity and governing faculty. It is the image of God in the individual and thus the individual's creativity, creating the visions that are given order and visible form by the Spectre and Emanation. When an individual is in a fallen state, the humanity is sleeping.

Spectre: (Superego/Persona?) Batman
The Spectre functions to define and separate the individual from others. The Spectre acts as guardian and protector of the Emanation. When it is separated, it is reason, trying to define everything in terms of unchanging essences. It tries to freeze Eternity in a single state. It becomes the Selfhood, trying to impose an immutable and thus false identity on the individual. It resists change, growth, and the very creativity which is the true nature of the Humanity. Thus it is the negation. The Spectre is usually the masculine aspect of the androgynous Eternal.

Emanation: (Body?) Wonder Woman
The emanations create the space in which Eternals meet, making their union possible, and the emanation is the visible embodiment of the Eternal, making it possible for the Eternal to interact with others. The separation of the Emanation from the individual marks a stage in the fall and means that the individual can no longer meet with others in Eternity. Thus when Enitharmon separates from Los and takes on a separate female form, the individual is divided internally and also divided from Eternity, being no longer able to meet other Eternals. The failure of the parts to recognize their divided state indicates their fallen nature.

Shadow (Anima?) Catwoman
The Shadow is the remainder of desire after the passion and fire are gone. The Shadow is desire made immutable and immobile. It is the memory of desire. In the fallen world, it is the result of repressed desires. Thus the material world is the shadow of Eternity, the solid immobility of matter rather than the energy and fire of intellectual warfare. The Shadow is usually, but not always, feminine.

Urizen, the god of reason in Blake mythos, also has four sons to govern "the elements as he sees them"
Grodna = Earth
Utha = Water
Thiriel = Air
Fuzon = Fire
Needless to say, they rally and conspire against his rule.
 
 
The Fetch
00:22 / 08.11.03
From "shewhowatches" (a series of musings in this vein of thought)

Within human physiology it is the recalibration of the iron atom in our blood, wherein the release of contained rest energy is occurring, The spin of the iron porphyrin is making overdue corrections that in turn will shift the atomic matrices of the carbon atom allowing infusion of more oxygen to cells and of course more output to the circuitry of the brain.......making visions more prevalent and a rapid influx of knowledge or increase of intellect. It explains the ability to heal with our hands, spontaneous cures of disease and the light's flashing within scope of vision. I think the balls of light, whether within us or in the atmosphere and seen around crop circles or areas of ghostly inhabitation are all symptomatic of the same thing......a release in this energy held in the ferric domain of the iron atom.
The Earth's core is releasing a great deal of energy and it explains the weather patterns, the increase of seismic activity and volcanism. Unfortunately, it will get worse before it gets better. But, chaos is truly our friend and will bring needed change to salvage the Earth and ourselves.

and other writings of The Fetch from the past -

The first thing we notice regarding IRON is its "ATOMIC Number", which has been given the number of 26, which is equivalent to "God", (Yud He Vau He), IVXV, and a host of other "numbers" that are dealing with a particular energy set, which in this case is really the realm of planetary existence defined as G-pei.

The Isisian Codes is clear of the IMPORTANCE of 5 to 6 (mind to spirit) and this is shown as the Letter Sequence FE, which is the ELEMENT of IRON. The "matrix" which deals with this as a metaphysical reality is located at COLUMN 6, in which the word FIVE is created:



The LINK of this system then shows that there is a relationship of FE to UV (light) to 5-6 to FiVe is 6, and so forth.

That "Jesus" would "rule" with an "Iron Rod" really means that "death", or the blind acceptance of human existence independent of previous known realities, would rule the world, and that IRON is FE is 56 is so on and so on, would mean that the IRON (FE ROD) would be encoded further into a matrix of FEROD = FERET, or a sign to "ferret" things out, or search for the hidden meanings, which were being hidden into the Isisian Language itself.

History

(Anglo-Saxon, iron; L. ferrum) Iron was used prehistorically:

Genesis mentions that Tubal-Cain, seven generations from Adam, was "an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron."
A remarkable iron pillar, dating to about A.D. 400, remains standing today in Delhi, India. This solid shaft of wrought iron is about 7 1/4 m high by 40 cm in diameter. Corrosion to the pillar has been minimal although it has been exposed to the weather since its erection.
This is all simple Illuminatus encoding of the underlying alchemical codes which at one time WOULD HAVE BEEN PUBLIC knowledge, which was subsequently destroyes (the burning of the Alexandrian Library is one way this was done). If CAIN is the "mythical figure" that creates the "first murder", then this philosophy can then be linked to alchemy in which it is CAIN is IRON is the cause of the death (the first murder).

That this was 7 generations removed from "ADAM" simply supports this idea that it is an alchemical story as this number appears as a key in most Illuminatus Coding Sets. That this "national database" is linked to a Solid Shaft of wrought iron in India, we see that such is corresponding to a number 40 in which Jesus too spends 40 days and 40 nights. What you can easily do is see a parallel of code sets being preserved and simply hidden. 40CM in the year 400CE is, well, ok...

Sources
Iron is a relatively abundant element in the universe. It is found in the sun and many types of stars in considerable quantity. Its nuclei are very stable. Iron is a principal component of a meteorite class known as siderites and is a minor constituent of the other two meteorite classes. The core of the earth -- 2150 miles in radius -- is thought to be largely composed of iron with about 10 percent occluded hydrogen. The metal is the fourth most abundant element, by weight that makes up the crust of the earth.

The most common ore is hematite, which is frequently seen as black sands along beaches and banks of streams.

As we view the "History" as shown here, we can immediately see more "parallels" or encodings. For instance, it is shown that "Iron is a principal component of a meteorite class known as siderites and is a minor constituent of the other two meteorite classes"

This gives rise to an immediate Isisian Parallel, that of "Egyptians" who studied the "sidereal calendar". That IRON is a component of a meteor class called "siderites" and that they who followed the stars labeled such as "sidereal calendar" cannot as an Isisian Code be seen as "chance" or "happenstance", and thus a link can be established when the whole is viewed in favor of any specific item in the whole.

We see more links to the whole here: The core of the earth -- 2150 miles in radius -- is thought to be largely composed of iron with about 10 percent occluded hydrogen.

Here we are now linking the alchemical nature of Hydrogen with the aspect of the Iron and the DNA by virtue of our viewing such from here through DNA. That the CORE is said to be 2150 miles in Radius, a wholly subjective number, we can easily show that this core can have an ESOTERIC VALUE of 6*6*6*10 miles (2160 miles in radius) and thus links the idea of the Iron Rod and the Beast all together.

Since the SUN (6*6*6*4*1000), the Moon (6*6*6*10), the Earth (2(6*6*6)+6)*10) radius and the CORE of the Earth said to be 2150, or an esoteric number of 6*6*6*10 as nearest cube, we have equally tied all the key astronomic calculations to a nearest cube of 6*6*6*10 as a mean number or base coding set.

The metal is the fourth most abundant element, by weight that makes up the crust of the earth.

The most common ore is hematite, which is frequently seen as black sands along beaches and banks of streams.

This can immediately link one back to the Book of Formations where the number 10 is so revered. The SUM of 1:4 is 10, and this link is shown again time and time again as shown here.

Isotopes

Common irons is a mixture of four isotopes. Ten other isotopes are known to exist.

Uses
Iron is a vital constituent of plant and animal life and appears in hemoglobin.

That it is found in hemoglobin and that The most common ore is hematite clearly is no accident, not knowing the actual etymology. Just common sense here. Equally, that this whole nature is found to be a "black compound" would tie into the Illuminatus coding of "AFRICA" and "humans". Of course, few saw that AFRICA and AFRAID are really the same code..perhaps again linking all things back to the IRON and its use as a DNA manipulation device.

The most common ore is hematite, which is frequently seen as black sands along beaches and banks of streams.

Properties
The pure metal is very reactive chemically and rapidly corrodes, especially in moist air or at elevated temperatures. It has four allotropic forms or ferrites, known as alpha, beta, gamma, and omega, with transition points at 700, 928, and 1530C. The alpha form is magnetic, but when transformed into the beta form, the magnetism disappears although the lattice remains unchanged. The relations of these forms are peculiar. Pig iron is an alloy containing about 3 percent carbon with varying amounts of Sulfur, Silicon, Manganese, and Phosphorus.

From a simple encoding and knowing the naivite of the Masonic and other Initiated Societies, we can see equally that IRON may be the very god that these people are worshipping. The reason for this is simple: they ALWAYS shift everything by a factor of 1. To view this in cursory, we can see that the transition points of IRON are 700, 928, and 1530C. That being the case, if we simply ADD these numbers, we show a formula of 700+928+1530 = 3158, significant due to the simple fact that 3168 is the value of Jesus Christ, Son of God in the Hebrew Gematria, and this number is OFF by a VALUE of 10 (3158+10=3168) which when we SUBTRACT 6*6*6*10 = 2160, we create the FRACTAL of 1008 (3168-2160-1008), in which 1008 is a cipher for the very word J=10, E = O, H=8, or the more sustained spell of JEHO(vah), itself formed from the formula of 9!/6/6.

Iron is hard, brittle, fairly fusible, and is used to produce other alloys, including steel. Wrought iron contains only a few tenths of a percent of carbon, is tough, malleable, less fusible, and has usually a "fibrous" structure.

Carbon steel is an alloy of iron with small amounts of Mn, S, P, and Si. Alloy steels are carbon steels with other additives such as nickel, chromium, vanadium, etc. Iron is a cheap, abundant, useful, and important metal.

So we can easily WEAVE a series of alchemical stories against known archetypes relative to IRON...whose roots can be shown to have an atomic value of 26 (God), INRI and the IRON ROD, Tubal Cain and the idea of being marked with the beast (AFRICA and AFRAID), and the of course, the most concise code of all, that of FE and the word FE(AR), and on and on and on.

I would have to state that the idea of IRON as a key to the Esoteric Codes must be seen as a most valuable insight to be studied relative to all the alchemical stories.

The Fetch..

Which..I just noted..happens to be FE T CH as a proper coding, and it is FE that is the source equally of the word FE RROCIOUS (FERRUS), and the FERRIS (WHEEL of LIFE), etc.

and a response from shewhowatches -

Ah!!! We do speak the same language. Your analysis brilliant. You've tied many loose ends and confirmed what I suspected all along. It is good to hear it from another. Iron is the choreographer.........the magnetic monopole that our past mechanically construct, thereby displacing equilibrium......of the other atoms monopolarity. Hence, the bipolar dysfunction. Now a reconstruction of the periodic table of the elements is due.
Aaron and Moses striking the rock with the 'rod' at Meribah to create water for the Israelites....was the misuse of knowledge for power.....and that is why they were not allowed into that promised land. That tool is today referred to in our memories account as the "Merkabah" and it is buried with the stone tablets with/in the arc of the covenant. We could build it, but no, no.....cannot make the same mistake again.
The biblical accounts have been distorted..........through time, but concealed in coded scripture lies between the lines the root code. What it does preach is the ancients science, that not even the illuminati or Freemasons retain. And that my friend is duely being uncovered.
Iron is the culprit that only requires a recalibration of energy to mass ratios......and that is something the seal of time can undo, not man. The manipulation of the microcosm is where we went wrong genetically, so this time round it will be the macrocosm to construct change.........we have no choice. The Earth's iron core is also a magnetic monopole, though out of alignment. Once the stars begin to shift and the magnetic pull of the moon is released by interference of another planetary body that is rapidly approaching, we will see Earth make the shift back to the center.....from our perspective on her surface she will then appear flat.........so maybe the tales told to Columbus were true.
You have given much food for thought..............I will have to sleep on this one, for the information therein contained is ultra significant.
Again, on the round.
 
 
sirius23
08:12 / 19.12.03
>>from our perspective on her surface she will then appear flat

when a lower-dimensional plane is "viewed" from a higher dimension, it appears "flat". as on a piece of paper. there is the theory that all of the forces we experience on the planet are just the extrusions of something on a higher plane.

for example:

figures "living" on a piece of paper and could move about, etc. would experience, if the paper were crumpled by one of us, the crumples in the paper as barriers or forces. "oh, can't go in that direction." they wouldn't be able to see the crumpling, because it's happening in the third (or whatever) dimension. they only experience two.

food for thought:
what if the multi-limbed gods and godesses, only appeared to have multiple limbs. perhaps they were moving in such a way that human eyes/minds cannot process at this point. or maybe those images are superimpositions of many "selves"...

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macrophage
13:23 / 19.12.03
I've got a book that claims there is a corelation 'tween mult-limbed godforms and "freaks". A bit of a stab in the dark me thinks. Does anybody see a link from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Hero Turtles and the archgangels of the Watchtowers - hee hee heee.
 
 
Aertho
15:22 / 19.12.03
I'll do this for fun, but I'm not down with ascribing directions to psychospiritual attributes

Raphael//Angel Michael: Angel of Justice, Strength and Protection

Michaelangelo//Angel Raphael: Keeper of the Tree of Life and Healing Powers. Angel of Love, Joy and Laughter.

Donatello//Angel Gabriel: Patron of Messengers. Angel of Resurrection, Mercy & Peace.

Leonardo//Angel Uriel: Keeper of Prophecy. Angel of Nature, Visions & Instruction.

I don't think this works. The four turtles are more and analog for the archetypal Bushman's Party:
Leonardo: leader, Raphael: master hunter, Michaelangelo: jokester, Donatello: sage/mystic
 
 
cusm
15:58 / 19.12.03
True, but those archetypes can be given easy elemental attributes:

Leader: Air (Leonardo, Katanas)
Hunter/Violence expert: Fire (Raphael, Sai)
Trickster/Clown: Earth (Michelangelo, Nunchaku)
Mystic/teche: Water (Donatello, Staff)

And I really need to stop now. The damn theme song is getting stuck in my head.
 
 
h3r
09:52 / 20.12.03
Does anybody see a link from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Hero Turtles and the archgangels of the Watchtowers
I always thought the TMNHTs were more of an Illuminati mindcontrol-brainwashing vehicle, with their reptilian appearance, befriending little humans, kinda like Barney the purple dinosaur("i will eat you"). the archangel analogy seems to be a deliberate byproduct/intention, like any good disinformation there is some sort of a half truth wrapped in with the mindcontrol message.

ok sorry for going off topic.
but along those lines, please do think teletubbies
once again a colorcoded 4-digit DNA sentence, according to my research the archetype symbol/colorcombo of their antennaes imprints "we are creating robots from space"
of course different combinations and configurations of the four characters can express a vast variety of mindcontrol messages to the audience.
obvciously the character's colors match the four elemental colors

i'm glad this thread is still going, i've been silent but following along...
 
 
sirius23
03:42 / 24.12.03
that's kind of bizarre to think about. how would the receiver know what to decode the messages to mean?
 
  

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