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Questions about Dan Clowes and indie comix

 
 
Krug
21:12 / 03.10.03
I knew from reading Ghost World that Dan Clowes was going to be one of the best. I've read Ghost World, David Boring, Twentieth Century Eightball, Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron and am going to buy Caricature next. What I want to know is, how much material in the Eightball series remains uncollected and which issue should I start buying from? And what's the frequency of the comic? Like Jason Lutes' Berlin? Or an issue every two three months?
What about the out of print books like the two Lloyd Llewellyn books, Pussey and Orgy Bound? Are they coming back in print? What material do they print?

I want to know all.

And I've read this short story by Adrian Tomine in "Best Nonrequired American Reading" book which I think was called "Bomb Scare", which I liked. Is the Optic Nerve collection worth buying? I hear it's too quick a read and has no reread value. How often does Optic Nerve come out and which issues remain uncollected?

I also bought Chester Brown's "I never liked you" which I liked but wouldn't want to reread again.

Can anyone recommend other indie creators in the vein of Clowes to me?

I've heard good things about Charles Burns but Black Hole hasn't been collected and the singles are very expensive.

I found the first issue of Leland Purvis' Pubo which didn't interest me enough to find the next two issues.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
21:32 / 03.10.03
A lot of these questions are answered in some pre-existing threads about these creators, but what the hell, right?

What I want to know is, how much material in the Eightball series remains uncollected and which issue should I start buying from? And what's the frequency of the comic?

All of the content has been collected. There is no reason to read anything in issue order. It's all in book collections now, and there is no reason to buy the single issues anymore.

It works like this -

The Official Lloyd Llewellyn Collection is all of the LL comics which came before the Eightball series in one book.

Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron is a collected story which was serialized in the early Eightball issues.

Ghost World collects all of the Ghost World strips. You know that.

Caricature collects all of the self-contained short stories throughout the run of Eightball (plus a few that appeared elsewhere).

David Boring collects that entire story, which originally was printed as three complete issues of Eightball.

20th Century Eightball collects all the shorts and odds & ends that appeared through the whole series.

The only single issue you need to get is Eightball #22 which is a complete stand alone comic, and perhaps his greatest work to date.

Eightball is on a highly irregular schedule, and basically comes out when Clowes finishes a project. He's very busy working on a new film with Terry Zwigoff right now, so it may be a while before the next issue comes out.

If you get all of those comics (plus the script edition of Ghost World), you have his entire body of work, aside from some illustrations which he's done freelance, and a short fairy tale story which he did for the second volume of Art Spiegelman's Little Lit series. (Which I have, and it's good, but I don't exactly recommend unless yr a serious completist or really into children's stories. I got it as a Christmas gift from one of my best friends two years ago.)

Optic Nerve is totally worth your time. You can get the entire run of the series in two books which have been released - Summer Blonde (the four most recent issues, including the story which appears in the Nonrequired Reading book) and Sleepwalk. Sleepwalk is very good, but Summer Blonde is far better since Tomine seems to improve greatly from one issue to the next.

I think you'd really love Jessica Abel's La Perdida, but I don't think now is the best time to get into that since the first issue is apparently out of print, and the next issue is the last one, meaning it will out in book form within the next year or two.
 
 
Krug
06:01 / 04.10.03
That helped. Didn't have the time for reading all through those giant threads right away. Thanks Flux.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
06:46 / 04.10.03
There are still a few uncollected Clowes bits out there. Several issues of Eightball have strips that didn't make it into any of the collections, but none (that I can recall) were very minor. As stated above: for completists only.

I would, however, recommend David Greenberger's No More Shaves, a collection of Greenberger's Duplex Planet Illustrated, which featured interviews w/elderly people who lived at the nursing home where Greenberger worked. The book collects a few of Clowes' Duplex strips (which were, subsequently, reprinted in Eightball). Everything in the book is written (or, more accurately, transcribed) by Greenberger, but it's well worth checking out.

Also: check out 80's issues of Cracked for some of Clowes' earliest work ("The Uggly Family"!!!). That's where I first saw his stuff.
 
 
sleazenation
13:57 / 04.10.03
Isn't la Perda a 5 part series? I thought we were still waiting for 4 and 5 or have i missed an issue?
 
 
grant
14:35 / 04.10.03
If you haven't read Love & Rockets collections, or the new series that comes out, and you've already read this sentence telling you to, then you're a sucker.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:29 / 04.10.03
I thought La Perdida was four parts. I might be wrong.
 
 
moriarty
18:56 / 04.10.03
According to Kim Thompson on this thread at the TCJ boards.

Next Eightball? Next Spring, probably, Dan is two pages away from finishing the art, then it's time to color, so unless movie stuff rears its head we're good.
 
 
Krug
22:57 / 04.10.03
For some reason I have always assumed that the writing on LnR will read dated and cheesy which isn't fair I know.

So is the writing really strong on that?
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
23:05 / 05.10.03
The early L&R stuff (read: the inadvisable sci-fi tinged stuff) is a bit dated, but I'd argue that pretty much everything from the second collected volume on is top-notch.

Does anyone know if the upcoming Palomar collection is going to be at all retouched? I know that Gilberto has rejiggered stuff for previous collections, so I'm curious to know whether I should get this or not since I have almost all of the other L&R collections.
 
  
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