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The world is too sick if Arnie makes it in politics!!!!

 
 
macrophage
11:16 / 03.10.03
If Arnie get to be prez - argh - time to get the neutron bombs out!
He should stick to bad acting, we don't need another puppet of the military-industrial complex!!!!! Well I'm born in Britain, but this has got to a sick joke - imagine being American and having him a Senator, next he'll be President. Mind you he's in good standing as he had a nazi collaborator as a Dad!!!!! What next, Ken Dodd as mayor of London (or Liverpool I suppose)??? I could go on all day, what do you all think???? All Arnie products that are in my gaff are going to help my next barbecue along!!!!!!
 
 
Ray Fawkes
11:39 / 03.10.03
Hmm...I don't think we need to worry about Schwarzeneggar's presidential aspirations just yet. We've already seen, thanks to Pete Wilson, that being an absolute asshole in public doesn't necessarily keep you out of the Gubernatorial seat, but the race to the White House is a different matter altogether. All the Democrats would need to do if he made his way onto the Republican ticket is show copies of "Pumping Iron" for free on television and he'd be finished.
 
 
sleazenation
12:50 / 03.10.03
More to the point, as someone who was not born in the US, Arnie CAN'T run for president... unless there is a change in the constitution...
 
 
Baz Auckland
14:28 / 03.10.03
eh, people have already started filling out petitions to have him recalled, so no worries there.
 
 
Hieronymus
15:40 / 03.10.03
There's something hilariously ironic to me about Republicans hitching their whole coup d'etat wagon to a candidate so devoid of political substance and so composed of fluff & hazy on the specifics in the issues. I nearly lose it everytime he references yet another one of his movies in his campaign speeches or decides that a debate or any kind of confrontational political engagement just isn't his thing. Is he serious about this or filming another movie I don't know about?

He's not a bad guy. In fact I kind of like his old school socially liberal/fiscally conservative views. But the irony is he's done damn near nothing to promote that and done everything he can in his campaign to use his image as his only strength, keeping his real views under wraps. That could lose him voters. *gasp* God forbid.

Governor Reagan he most definitely is not. If Bustamante is smart, he'll bust Ahnold open in a good debate.

Funny stuff.
 
 
lead sharp
19:03 / 07.10.03
Hitler-Austrian Arnie-... hmmm

nah

BUT I will say this, from what I've seen over here (in Blighty) Arnies handleing the slur campaign (excuse spelling really tired) really well. He says a bit in his defence and then carries on on his bandwagon. Where as his oposition seem hell bent on simpley attacking him and not delivering any policies.

I could be wrong our coveridge isn't like yours but from what I've seen you could do a lot worse than Arnie.
 
 
electric monk
03:23 / 08.10.03
*bump*

...fuck...

Who's writing this script anyway?
 
 
Cherry Bomb
10:24 / 08.10.03
It seems relatively obvious to me that it's not Arnie or W etc. who's really in charge - they're the just the front men. The scarier question to be answered is, who pulls their strings?
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
11:55 / 08.10.03
It would be so proper if this man were the one pulling the strings, no?
 
 
diz
11:56 / 08.10.03
this whole thing really appeals to my sense of absurdity. it's just bizarre and perverse and kind of funny in a gallows-humor sort of way. everything's falling apart, hooray!

or something. ~sigh~

i'm sure i'll be less amused in a month or so, when he's settled in and begun to fuck us. but, then again, Davis didn't have much going for him other than being the lesser of two evils. damn Republicrats.

we're like three steps away from having a candidate get elected by promising to be the Taoist ideal of the ruler: sitting facing a propitious direction and doing nothing.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
12:59 / 08.10.03
I've been watching all this California stuff with a really dismissive attitude. I just figured Arnie wouldn't make it. It never occured to me this might all happen.

*strokes Canadian flag affectionately*

We have no movie stars to elect into office.
 
 
Persephone
13:11 / 08.10.03
Of course you do... Pamela Anderson Lee! William Shatner!
 
 
Baz Auckland
13:33 / 08.10.03
We have no movie stars to elect into office who live in Canada! They're all thankfully in L.A....
 
 
Mr Ed
14:33 / 08.10.03
2000AD had it right in the 70's. Calfornia is Mega City One and you guys have elected an Orangutan.

Well done. Now how the fuck do I get off planet Earth?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:44 / 08.10.03
Seriously, how could he not get elected? He's an American hero! He's going to save California by crushing the Predators.
 
 
grant
15:07 / 08.10.03
we're like three steps away from having a candidate get elected by promising to be the Taoist ideal of the ruler: sitting facing a propitious direction and doing nothing.

Calvin Coolidge.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:16 / 08.10.03
I'm just crying for Gary Coleman right now.
 
 
Baz Auckland
15:17 / 08.10.03
..and for those who are interested in how the other 135 candidates did:

Arianna Huffington Ind 42,227 - 1 percent
Larry Flynt Dem 15,112 - 0 percent
Gary Coleman Ind 12,514 - 0 percent
Leo Gallagher Ind 4,775 - 0 percent
 
 
diz
16:14 / 08.10.03
Seriously, how could he not get elected? He's an American hero! He's going to save California by crushing the Predators.

actually, he lost the election to another candidate, a charismatic, intelligent reforming liberal, who went on to become President and stop America's slide into an abyss of corruption, crippling debt, environmental catastrophe, corporate control of government, aggression abroad, and neo-fascism at home.

however, the leaders of both major parties and their corporate backers sent him back in time to kill this super-candidate's mother before he was even born.

the future is safe. God Bless America.
 
 
Harold Washington died for you
19:31 / 08.10.03
Arnold is a Clinton Republican. The economy will recover of its own volition (or the puppet-master's) and he'll look like a genius. As an immigrant, athlete, swinger, actor, blah blah blah he'll look like a hero. At the very least there will be a Schwarznqywue International Airport somewhere in the dark sprawl of the Caleeforneea Free State.

Also, it would be fucked up if the Dems try to recall him. No tag backs!
 
 
FinderWolf
15:21 / 09.10.03
I don't think Arnie will be so bad. Sure, he's probably still an ass to women half the time, but you're gonna tell me the most politicians have a great track record with how they treat women & their spouses (*BillClinton*cough*)? His business skills might be very helpful in helping California get out of the business/financial mess it's in. I think he'll do just fine and he certainly won't hurt California.

But I read this in the news and it made me laugh:

>> Schwarzenegger listed a number of people who called him Wednesday to congratulate him, including Nelson Mandela, George H. W. Bush and his son, President George W. Bush.

Why is Nelson Mandela calling to congratulate Arnie? How much do they have in common? I guess other than being rags to riches/prominence kind of guys?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:01 / 09.10.03
Two things that worry me, on which I need reassurance:

1)How easy is it to set in motion this whole recall/election thing?

2)Can it be done in other states?

What's to stop the Republicans or Democrats doing this all the time in every state to either 'try to get control of Congress'/'stop the senators/congressmen from doing any work at all'?
 
 
Ray Fawkes
17:34 / 09.10.03
Nothing at all.

That's why the California precedent is frightening.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:48 / 09.10.03
I know - I've often wondered about this. There was an article on CNN today about the tide of disgruntled voters ready to kick incumbents out of office, although it was mostly about how people might want new management via regular voting schedules.

But what was it about this that made it OK to "recall" a politician before s/he's done with his/her term? The politician in question just has to be doing a really really REALLY bad job??? 95% of the state/country has to just *really* hate him/her??? This is very unsual and sort of threatens the fabric of our electoral system.

But, having said that, I don't think this will mean we're going to see this kind of "recall" happening very often at all, if ever again, in the next 10 years. Just realistically speaking.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
19:49 / 09.10.03
Why not? If you believe that report on ZNet, the Shrub has now succeeded in making sure that his friends at Enron don't have to pay much money for defrauding the American public. The only person that was getting in the way was... California's deeply unpopular senator. And there was that other guy who died in a plane crash, and the redistricting thing in Texas. I'm trying to remain agnostic on this, but this is how conspiracy theories start and what's to stop them doing it with any Democrat giving them grief (if there are any left to do such a thing)?
 
 
Persephone
22:42 / 09.10.03
If I'm not mistaken, this type of recall is specially provided for in California state law. Which is slightly fucked --c.f., the initiative process.
 
 
Persephone
22:44 / 09.10.03
And seriously, Gray Davis was really, really a bastard sonofabitch of a governor.
 
 
nowthink
23:03 / 09.10.03
Listen to ME
I will open DUH BOOKS in KalEEFornia,
because I DON'T PLAY THAT GAME, you keep talking about
conspiracy and all this stuff,
and all this things...
HASTA LA VISTA baby
so get READY
 
 
nowthink
23:10 / 09.10.03
how could you NOT vote for a guy like that?
seriously-I gave this some thought. And I agree that George DUH-Bya
and his shadow cabinet cronies propped him up and the conspiracy is in full effect..but in the meantime, It probably WIll help California in a wierd way-just the sheer spectacle of AH-NULd as governor will increase the tourism and attract commerce, and you know he's looking out for all us starving actors and actressesses, he might even let the extras eat with the principals in holding..now THAT is worth my vote in itself.

uh- but I didn't vote.
 
 
schmee
00:21 / 10.10.03
i was born in a children's hospital in anaheim, california in 1970. my family had a history in cali going back to the early part of the twentieth century when my grandfather was orphaned and moved to southern california to live his uncle - a prominent figure in the orange county musican's union, a trombonist with his own big band.

i have seen the journal my grandfather wrote in the month-long drive it took to get to california from nebraska, complete with pictures of the boards they'd have to lay down to get the car they travelled in across certain hazards.

after he grew up, he returned to nebraska, learend how to fly in the war and developed his master carpentry skills. but shortly after the war, he began dragging his family across the country looking for work and rarely finding it.

then one day he landed back in southern california where he was given a job by one howard hughes as a line 'electrician'. it was a simple job, and one that he did the rest of his working lfe, until he retired - some ten years before his death.

he was poor his entire life, and yet a staunch republican who could not dwell long enough on the need to buy american products. to the extent he spent most of his pension on maintaining a Ford truck he'd bought, that was such a piece of shit it broke down almost weekly.

"fortunately", his wife also worked for hughes and between the two pensions they maintained a relatively comfortable retirement in a small two-bed condo. while opinionated and set in their mid-western ways, they were salt of the earth people who cared deeply for california.

but like all of us, the world changed around them in ways they found difficult to percieve. i'll never forget my grandfather lecturing kids at fast food "restaurants", and their lack of desire to help a customer, or just do their job - but he never realised that the manufacturing line mentality of fast food practically guaranteed this kind of disinterest, and that his expectations of social decency no longer applied.

i grew up in a small incorporation called La Palma, a two square-mile series of concrete, track homes and a hospital crammed in between cerritos, buena park and cypress - where tiger woods grew up. 90s sitcom star john stamos went to my high school, motley crew had a couple members from the area, and the infamous McMartin (of child molesting fame) family's daughter was an english teacher there - she was arrested during class in front of the whole school.

on perhaps 3 days of the year the smog would clear enough to see the san bernadino mountains only some 20 miles away, while the beach was another 10 miles the other direction - i could ride my bike there in about an hour if i peddled hard.

however, by the time i reached 20, few people i'd known my whole life lived in southern california any longer.

the strip mall on th corner of the block i used to live, now houses around 20 businesses, all of which are vietnamese - obvious in the absence of any English letters on the signs. an unexpected migration pattern, given the number of Patels and Kims in the phone book when i had lived there in the 70s and 80s. cerritos had been the vietnamese migration center in our area when i was younger, not la palma (garden grove, where "little saigon" is, was the highest vietnamese concentration, but that area was on the other side of orange county).

one day i joined a little musical activity called drum corps, where we would climb into buses each summer and do a two-three month tour of the united states. in that activity, which i did for some 8 years all the way up to age 20, i met my future wife, a young british girl who'd flown out to march with our semi-famous group.

but this activity also had kids from all around the southern california area, from san diego out to palm springs up to santa barbara. in the eyars i marched, a lot of the kids were ghetto, from hawthorne, wilmington, torrence, even the dreaded lennox - while some were the children of hippies from redondo and santa barbara.

this was a legacy of the corps' history, where in the 70s young felons were given the opportunity to avoid imprisonment by joining the corps.

unlike some of the other prominent groups in the activity, we were also notoriously drug-riddled. we have stoners, speed freaks and alcoholics on every bus, and our loose southern california style - tennis shoes instead of spatz, baseball hats instead of shakos and our color guard was armed beach chairs & beer coolers instead of rifles of flags - trumpted our arrival at each performance to the glee of the kids trapped in miltiaristic precision-performance units.

it was not unusual to see one of our kids sent home during the summer for getting caught shop lifting, or for getting pregnant on the road. it was real Bad News Bears kind of stuff, but very enlightening and put us as kids in a rare situation compared to the average southern california native.

southern california, and now most of the state, is notoriously segragated. communities rarely intermingle, and the gang problems that pervade and fester in cali are quite clearly a serious effect of this subtle and rarely discussed cause.

it is odd to see people walking down the street, other than at the beaches and the basic determining social factor is too often what one can afford, rather than anything like common interests.

even the churches of california are highly segragated and one of the stoking grounds of communal separation, where all groups sit around and point fingers at each other, rarely taking the time to ever even meet each other and get to know what it is exactly they are pointing their finger at.

and california continues to grow, ceaseless migration packs her borders with every group of people imagineable, with as many of it's migrants from other parts of the country, as those more commonly discussed, the illegals from south of the border.

after living with my wife in england for a few years, i eventually returned to california, only this time the bay area was my new home. i rented a house boat in sausalito and started my first company, happily pushing along the net boom and finding myself in the right place at the right time.

hhaving had family and friends int he bay area of the 70s and 80s, i couldn't help but notice that the same dynamic which tore LA apart and segragated her so plainly, was now occuring through the course of the 90s in the bay area.

once bastion of laid-back liberal ideology, the area was suffering from the net bubble's affluenza. where in the 80s you might see people sitting around smoking a joint reflecting on how good life can be in such a beautiful city like san francisco, it was more common to see the suburbanites invade the town each weekend with their Lexi, comparing and contrasting their hard won status symbols - priding themselves on their "cultural" awarness, which rarely amounted to much more than having visted some boutique shop that sold international trinkets, or purveyed international cuisine.

but when you talked to the children of the san francisco melting pot, you quickly understood that these kids had little idea of life outside the bay area, let alone america herself.

arnold schwarzzenegger is about to become the next Actor/Governor/Web master of California - my home, my native land - and a place i hope never to return to live.

presuming this "prediction" proves true - he will have achieved it completely off the back of superficial imagery, and a support network that dwarfs the average californian's ability to participate in its own government.

he knows nothing of the state i love, the state that has carried so much of modern america, subsidising entire regions of the US, off the backs of men in aerospace manufacturing lines like my grandfather, dedicated civil servants like my parents, small business owners like myself (or my dear friends the Kims, and the Patels in La Palma, or illegal immigrants who turn the san juaquin valley into the amazingly profitable land of the Rancheros that comprise the world's largest agricultural output.

and so the california freak tradition lives on, straight out of venice beach where the gubernator missed the suicidal tendencies that really defined cali's internal reality. her constant migratory magnet, never letting her ever stop to consider the true underlying dynamics of a society that has made blind segragation a way of life.


california's child

Yorba Linda's kiss
Santa Ana's wind
San Francisco's bay
San Diego's blush

the California bounty
never stood long nor still
while the ambition of growth
met suburban land fill

passing over the pavement,
90 nose to nose speed
looking up at the poles,
from the backseat of greed

i remember a child
caught lost in the race
who forgot how to smile
a segragated embrace

the jet-stream purple pink
setting suns each warm night
the broken skating rinks
the kid's guns out to fight

the parents who let go
for malls of cash delight,
the tattoos of suicidal
and tendencies that might,

the broken shards of labor
on the backs of wetted favor
tastes a Californian flavor
pastes a billionaire's waiver

and so the state of being golden
would never come to wealth
would never be emboldened
or be conscious of itself

the land of nature's bounty
is covered in the glut of speed,
and children run away from home
for fear of parent's greed.

>> yorba linda (mp3)

 
 
Rage
13:47 / 11.10.03
"I forget whether, in the Virtual Light books, Arnold is president of the US or merely Governor of SoCal, but, hey, it looks like I've gone and been prescient again. I hate it when that happens." -William Gibson

"What will we do next, elect a cartoon character?" -Nisi Shawl

"The last time California had an uberactor, some kick-ass punk rock came out of San Francisco! Yeah Haw!" -Rudy Rucker, Jr.

Buzz on tha fractal streetz
 
 
Baz Auckland
17:05 / 11.10.03
There are some great quotes there:

...I mean, Philip K. Dick knew it all along. I've read just about everything PKD ever wrote and I believe every word of it. So why am I surprised?It's SFnal, all right, but it's SFnal in a Philip K. Dick kind of SFnal way. And, as you might remember — or totally recall, if you will — Schwarzenegger did star in a movie based on "We Can Remember It For You Wholesale" by none other than our Prophet himself.

Well-read faithful such as myself will recognize this seeming coincidence for what it really is: a message from God revealing the true nature of the universe.
 
 
macrophage
13:02 / 14.10.03
My worst fears were confirmed last week - but you have to laugh. Look at puppy Blair, he's married into some bad acting family. On the one hand it either proves that Amerikka is a truly libertarian country or that Amerikkka is full of alot easilly duped people, and I thought that me and the world of delusions went hand-in-hand!!!!! Well, I hope that by the next time it gets around to the next Amerikkkan elections, I hope Hong Kong Foooey will get in!!!! Mind you, look at the yippies -seems like the nasty aftertaste of a long-gone hippy era... I don't know what I am taling about????!!!!!! I mean the Pig thing..... Serves me rite for taking an interest in the nasty world of politics..... I'll have to stop buying newspapers and watching TV. Cue Jello Biaffra "California Uber Alles"..............
 
 
Slim
18:34 / 14.10.03
I fail to see where California posters were "duped". People hated Davis and were so jaded that they didn't want a career politician. Sick of political bullshit, they voted for the newcomer to the scene in hopes that he can change things around. I can agree with that line of thought. However, I Mr. Arnold was the wrong choice. California voters had a good idea but executed it poorly.
 
 
Rage
19:53 / 14.10.03
My friend Starchy was gonna record Schwarzenegger Uber Alles before the guy got accused of all that nazi shit. Wonder if that's why he got accused. Direct chaos theory, and all. Ha.

I think people are just stupid. What good American wouldn't want a Hollywood actor to be governor? Most of the people who voted for him probably lost their voting virginity. If Tom Cruise ran for president I'm sure he'd win, even as an indepedent candidate.
 
  
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