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bob
20:24 / 02.10.03
Hello. In the hope of saving a different thread from becoming not what it is intended to be let's talk about the publishing company First Comics here.

Passing the mike to...
 
 
mondo a-go-go
21:41 / 02.10.03
Um, you might want to mention some titles? I dunno about anyone else but I tend to remember titles rather than publishers...
 
 
dlotemp
03:30 / 03.10.03
Well, I'm not a First Comics guru but the line published several noteworthy ongoing series', graphic novels, and minis.

Ongoing series:
Nexus - the interstellar adjudicator cum assassin
Whisper - female ninja
Badger - the urban vigilante with multiple personalities, ability to talk with animals and a best friend who happens to be a druid. About as scatalogical as it sounds.
Grimjack - interstellar soldier of fortune
Starslayer - a book that migrated from Pacific comics
Sable - the for-hire adventurer
Shatter - the 1st computer generated comic book

I think there were one or two other books.

Minis-
Judah the Hammer
Squalor
Several adaptations of Michael Moorcock books including the Elric series, Hawkmoon Series, etc.

Graphic Novels -
Beowulf
Time 2 series - strange Howard Chaykin series
Hex Breaker - the Badger graphic novel.

Who can fill in the blanks that I missed?
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
04:38 / 03.10.03
There was also Mars by Hemple and Wheatley, Warp which adapted a stage play about superheroes by Del Close (the nexus of all realities) that was very weird and very funny, Meta 4, E-Man a light hearted superhero comic as well as the first American version of Lone Wolf and Cub.

They were the only company that I bought everything they put out sight unseen.

And it's my opinion that Nexus was the best super-hero comic ever published. Steve Rude is the most under-rated artist to work in comics for the past 25 years, and it's a crime that he's not working on something regularly.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
04:53 / 03.10.03
To answer some questions:

Grimjack ran in Starslayer 10 - 18, with a full team up story in 18 as he moved to his own book. The backup in Grimjack was Munden's Bar, which had two annuals (the second was a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles story).

First also published the first color collections of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, reprinting the first few comics.

They were founded by a group of investors who knew some artists in the Chicago area who explained how Marvel controlled the direct market (at the time Marvel had over 75% of the market in comic shops, DC was barely a force there, and the other Indys weren't off the ground yet). They decided to start a compnay that could "compete" with Marvel, then sue them for having a monopoly in the market. This kept them going until American Flagg hit, which was a legitimate hit, and they made money off of publishing while the lawsuit languished. In the late 80's, the lawsuit was dismissed, and when the Black and White bust hit, their sales dropped to the point where they were no longer profitable. They tried to hold on by doing Presitge Format comics only, but even with the VERY well done "Classics Illustrated" in bookstores, they failed and most of the copyrights they held are in a horrid legal limbo.

Ostrander has been trying to get Grimjack back from them for over 10 years now. Dark Horse bought Nexus and Badger and gave them to Mike Baron...but most fo their other properties are just in legal limbo.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
06:55 / 03.10.03
For completeness' sake, the FIRST comics debate began HERE
 
 
DaveBCooper
09:22 / 03.10.03
I agree that Steve Rude's criminally under-rated - I think it was his painted cover to (First) Nexus 13 (the story where Nexus has had the implant - 'Insomnia', I think it may have been called) that first alerted me to how talented he is at painted work too.

Don't recall much about First, though I can cheerfully re-read the inital run of AF!, and was appalled when I discovered they were messing with Lone Wolf and Cub; also seem to remember they had an impressive run of on-time shipping and the like until the issue of Flagg which was meant to have a new artist on it (was it Bill 'Fables' Willingham?) failed to materialise, and if memory serves they were fairly blunt in pointing the finger.

But up until that point they seemed pretty professional as a company (from a customer POV), with above-decent titles and quite a likeable editorial element.

Ooh, just remembered the Alan Moore Flagg strips. Quite shocking to my teenage mind.
 
 
dlotemp
12:17 / 03.10.03
Thanks to all for filling in many of the large gaps in my memory. I should have remembered WARP! since I was just re-reading the darn things a few months ago. The first 14 issues adapted the plays and I believe the first 6 issues had beautiful art by Frank Brunner. Later issues had a lovely back up called OUTRIDER by Peter B. Gillis and Bill willingham.

Also, I think the CLASSICS ILLUSTRATED may have contributed to the downfall of FIRST. If memory serves, the CLASSICS line was expensive to license, had lavish productions, and sales weren't high enough to cover the aggregate costs. Still, some of the books were lovely.

I have to second the comments about Nexus and Steve Rude, who actually works about has much and often as he can. Rude is a fairly slow artist and has a high standard of excellence so he limits his production.
 
 
ill tonic
17:31 / 03.10.03
I loved Americian Flagg ... sums up the 80s rather well. I didn't know Moore did Flagg stuff (of course I didn't know his name back then and dropped the series when Chaykin left).

Didn't 1st do E-Man or something like that? Vauge dreamlike recollection of such a thing ...
 
 
bob
19:45 / 03.10.03
Grimjack ran in Starslayer 10 - 18, with a full team up story in 18 as he moved to his own book.

I have to change my pants now as I have wet them uncontrollably. 9 new to me GJ stories!!!!!

[falls on head, dies, goes to heaven]

I never read Nexus, but I heard and so could have heard wrong that it was good because the superhero character was “real” long before others had “reality based” super hero characters. Like in Watchmen. Is this correct? On your recommendation and endorsement, Solitaire, I am going to pick up a couple issues when next I see them for quarters.

They tried to hold on by doing Presitge Format comics only, but even with the VERY well done "Classics Illustrated" in bookstores, they failed and most of the copyrights they held are in a horrid legal limbo.

Yeah these were fantastic, but I had thought this is what killed the company: they had sunk so much money into these “Classics Illustrated” that they went over the edge without an expected from projected immediate return. But like all things I know about their collapse this information is largely only opinion tied up in a neat package.

They ought to simply hand GJ to Ostrander. It is so clearly his character. Who is holding him up—lawyers, former owners of First or ?—and why? I’d love to see him take the character to another publishing house and start up where he left off.

Shit, I might have to start buying every First comic I see in the 25 cent bins...
 
 
FinderWolf
20:18 / 03.10.03
Some of those Classics Illustrateds were pretty good - MOBY DICK by Bill Sienkewicz was amazing.

NEXUS fucking rocks and always will. Every incarnation of Nexus has been amazing.

BADGER was fun for a while but soon become sort of a one-note gag, in my memory.

And SHATTER, while kinda cheesy, is noteworthy for its being the first computer-drawn comic.
 
 
dlotemp
01:10 / 04.10.03
I'd like to mention to bob that Dark Horse Comics picked up the Nexus series a few years after FIRST went down the tubes. All but one mini-series were written by Mike Baron and Steve Rude and they are continuations of the series. The mini-series - Nexus the Liberator by Stefan Petrchua? and Jim Callimee? - was originally intended to be a First Comics mini-series, even though the events may or may not be canonical. So completists may want to own that mini as well. Anyway, I wholeheartedly endorse the Dark Horse books as I felt that Baron and Rude had a better handle on the character at that point and had excellent paper and coloring to back them up. wicked stuff that may be easy to find.

Also, my fussy memory has reminded me that First also did a mini called THE P.I.'s starring the diminutive private investigator from E-Man, Mike Mauser, and Ms. Tree. Don't recall if it was any good but a hell of a combination!

E-Man was reborn by First Comics, which leads me to mention that I'm willing to part with issues 1-3 if anyone wants to trade. E-Man was of course originally published by Charlton Comics.

finally, I'd like to mention that First comics ran a nifty editorial cum history of the Independent comics market in several of the comics, around their 2 or 3 year. Can someone confirm that?
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
04:00 / 04.10.03
Yep, First's editorials were pretty good about informing comics fans, and their history of Independent comics was interesting in that it was still the dawn of the Direct Market, and they were already wanting to put down the facts before they got moved around.

I don't know as I would call Nexus a "super-hero in the real world" series so much as a VERY well-realized Science Fiction series that had a complex and consitant world they used. It was an amazing comic, and it's just a shame that Dark Horse couldn't sell it. Badger was by Baron, and that series was just nutjob fun, with a twisted sense of humor that may not have aged well now that we have martial arts and Hong Kong action films in every video store in America.

The PIs was well written, but Stanton's bigfoot art just didn't work with the dark subject matter. It's a curiousity, but I think it failed as a comic because of the harsh contrast of styles.

The Peter Kuper CLASSICS ILLUSTRATED was the high point of the series for me, but Gahan Wilson did adaptations of Poe stories that still is a blast to read.

And checking with some of my old comics newszines, CLASSICS ILLUSTRATED didn't put them under, and in a few opinions kept them around longer, since they were able to get bookstore distribution of their other books because of it. But, when the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles rip-off black and white books collapsed, sales on all comics nosedived, and at least two of the major comics distributors went out of business, as well as (rumored) a thousand or so comic shops. First, which had been suffing from downward sales (Lone Wolf and Cub was their biggest seller) just saw their orders collapse.

Same thing happened to Comico and Kitchen Sink...Kitchen Sink survived because of their trade paperback and hardcover lines, Comico worked out a deal with DC for distribution too late to save them and First went away, with at least two of its newer editors hired by Marvel's sales force.
 
 
SavageFistsOfFengshui
15:39 / 07.10.03
“Warp which adapted a stage play about superheroes by Del Close (the nexus of all realities) that was very weird and very funny”

I think the plays were written by Stuart Gordon, with Neal Adams involved in design. The comics were by Peter B. Gillis, with some backups by John Ostrander.

“also seem to remember they had an impressive run of on-time shipping and the like until the issue of Flagg which was meant to have a new artist on it (was it Bill 'Fables' Willingham?) failed to materialise, and if memory serves they were fairly blunt in pointing the finger.”

The culprit/scapegoat was George Freeman, who was replaced by Joe Staton for three dull issues, after which Mark Badger took over. Chaykin packed in Flagg after this, with Steven Grant and then a misplaced JM DeMatteis taking over as writer. Chaykin returned for a second volume, although sidemen such as John Francis Moore, Richard Ory and Mike Vosburg seemed to be doing most of the work.

“I should have remembered WARP! since I was just re-reading the darn things a few months ago. The first 14 issues adapted the plays and I believe the first 6 issues had beautiful art by Frank Brunner. Later issues had a lovely back up called OUTRIDER by Peter B. Gillis and Bill willingham.”

Brunner adapted the three plays in the first nine issues, with dialogue by Peter B. Gillis. I wouldn’t describe the art as beautiful, as it was rushed in parts and inked by the likes of Bob Smith, Bruce Patterson and Mike Gusovich. Nice covers, though. After Brunner left, Gillis produced new stories, drawn by Jerry Bingham and Mike Gustovich. There were three Warp Specials, drawn by Howard Chaykin, Mark Silvestri and George Freeman. The series was set in Cynosure, later used as the locale for Grimjack.

One of the reasons for the failure of First was its inability to retain top quality talent after its third year. The likes of Tim Truman were able to obtain better terms at Eclipse, where he could retain ownership of Scout. After Mike Gold left to work for DC in 1986, the editorial content nosedived. Latter-day editorials seemed to consist of little more than naked hype and backslapping. In my opinion, First was at its best when publishing cheap, high quality comics on Mando paper, with the more expensive Baxter paper reserved for a few series (mainly Nexus and Badger, which along with Whisper had been published in that format by Capital Comics. It seemed that around the point where every series switched to the more expensive format the artwork ceased to justify it. The likes of John Calimee and Hugh Haynes took over Nexus from Steve Rude, and Ron Lim took over Badger from Bill Reinhold.

Some other stuff from First:

Crossroads
Prestige format team-ups featuring Nexus, Badger, Sable, Sable, Whisper, Luther Ironhand, Judah and Grimjack. Nice Steve Rude covers, but otherwise pretty dull.

Demon Knight
Grimjack Graphic Novel by John Ostrander and Flint Henry

Dreadstar
Jim Starlin’s cosmic regurgitations poached from Epic Comics (one of the main reasons why modern-day Epic doesn’t do creator-owned series). Later issues were written by Peter David and hideously drawn by his mate Angel Medina, whom David described as one of the three best artists he’d worked with.

Dynamo Joe
Manga-influenced robots by John Ostrander and Doug Rice.

Oz graphic Novels by Eric Shanower

Evangeline
Inherited from Comico, this was Chuck Dixon, Judith Hunt and Ricardo Villagran’s post-apocalypse nun. One of Dixon’s more readable efforts, although later issues featured Jim Balent as penciller. Matthew Sweet’s song Evangeline was based on this comic.

First Adventures
Anthology featuring Whisper, Dynamo Joe and Blaze Barlow by Peter Gillis.

The Gift
Prestige format anthology one-shot featuring Badger, Nexus, Grimjack etc.

Psychoblast
Steven Grant’s superhero strip. Badly drawn, but possibly an influence on Warren Ellis.

I thought Steven Grant’s Whisper was very underrated. The issues in the teens drawn by Spyder (AKA Neil Hanson) were my favourites. I remember reading somewhere that Grant had managed to obtain the rights to Whisper and was considering a new series about a new character, in the fashion of how golden age and silver age DC characters shared the same name. Does anyone know whether anything came of this?
 
 
DaveBCooper
15:55 / 07.10.03
I think Steven Grant’s referred to having written/being in the process of writing a new Whisper Graphic Novel – have the vague idea Larry Young’s to publish it, but I might be wrong. His Permanent Damage column over on comicbookresources.com refers to it every now and then.

And yes, George Freeman on Flagg, not Bill Willingham. Silly me. I agree that the Staton issues were rather lifeless – seem to recall thinking at the time that the page layouts (at least for the iChango! bit) seemed very Chaykin, but it wasn’t the same once HC wasn’t doing the writer/artist bit, I felt.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
03:56 / 10.10.03
I thought for sure Del Close worte the WARP plays...he must have had a lot to do with them at some point, because his name came up in every discussion about them at the time. Maybe he was the director ofthe Chicago version of the plays.

The plays had one brilliant moment that was probably next to impossible to stage, but it comes off well as the hero and the villain are disembodied and "leap" from body to body, means that random actors (and audience members who were in on it) would suddenly continue the fight. A GREAT effect when done right.
 
  
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