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Robot Man Reformed
20:00 / 20.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Puck:
stop eating bandwidth its boring, and sooo last year


For one, since I have continually been in the habit of deleting the posts or threats that were bandwidth-consuming, in a combination of some fleeting moments of a desire to stop haunting this place and a genuine concern of costing Tom too much money, I don't think you can say that I consime more than other longtime posters. It's true, this is my 572nd post but in the current Barbelith, I might only have 100 posts in "print." If not less.

And you can officially call me a nostalgic. I find nothing more fascinating than digging through seemingly unpenetrable issues and startling discoveries - including those hidden - and, hmmm, "penetrate" them. With Laila and what she went through, we have some clues and we have been following them, revising them as new evidence allowed. But the funny thing is that what was writ has been standing on it's own whereas our convictions stood for slight alterations. Slight.

quote:apocoliptic visions of doom are out coulering books are in

And you must be one of the fools who have no sense of how things have progressed in the past year, now, are you? You must be one of the fools who cannot grasp what the latest developments show you. I am not faulting you; hey, whatever turns you on.
 
 
Robot Man Reformed
16:17 / 25.03.02
I really, really wish someone could email me the original WTS thread.

Big Truths are coming out now. Case in point:

"Docs Show Eli Lilly Knew Mercury
In Vaccines Was Known
Dangerous In 30's
3-17-2

Waters & Kraus law firm exposes damaging historical documents from Eli Lilly about Thimerosal (mercury) in vaccines...

Dear Sir,

I've received this email and want to share it with everyone as it could potentially bring down the card house of vaccinations.

Yours,
Claudia Ayaz

For those of you interested, following is our latest press release about the documents we obtained from Eli Lilly. When you read what they knew about mercury, you'll be furious!

Claire M. Bothwell
Waters & Kraus, LLP
200 Oceangate, Suite 520
Long Beach, California 90802
Tel: (562) 436-8833
Fax: (562) 590-7296


PRESS RELEASE March 17, 2002 For Immediate Release

The Dallas-based law firm of Waters & Kraus announced today that it has received documents as a result of the discovery process in the case of Counter v. Eli Lilly & Company, et al, currently pending in Brazoria County, Texas that come from the archives of Eli Lilly & Company. The documents clearly demonstrate that Lilly's thimerosal product, the mercury-based vaccine preservative implicated in a number of recent law suits as causing neurological injury to infants, was known as early as April 1930 to be dangerous.

In its apparent eagerness to promote and market the product, in September, 1930, Eli Lilly secretly sponsored a "human toxicity" study on patients already known to be dying of meningococcal meningitis. Senior partner Andrew Waters stated that, "Lilly then cited this study repeatedly for decades as proof that thimerosal was of low toxicity and harmless to humans. They never revealed to the scientific community or the public the highly questionable nature of the original research."

While Eli Lilly made every effort to corrupt the medical and scientific literature, the process of arranging to publish the results of its questionable secret study, other researchers have provided Lilly with numerous articles since the 1930's indicating concerns about thimerosal and its potential hazard to humans who might be exposed or injected with the substance. The evidence clearly demonstrates that Eli Lilly was advised repeatedly that their conclusions of low toxicity were not warranted and that they failed to pass the information on to appropriate federal and public health authorities. The following time line illustrates some, but by no means all, of the documentary evidence on this point from Lilly's internal files:

1947 Article received by Lilly: "No eruptions or reactions have been observed or reported to merthiolate internally, but it may be dangerous to inject a serum containing merthiolate into a patient sensitive to merthiolate."

1948 Article received by Lilly: "Merthiolate is such a commonly used preservative for biologicals, plasma, cartilage, etc., that it would seem important to determine whether harm would result following its subcutaneous or intravenous injection in skin sensitive individuals."

1950 New York Academy of Science article, "Mercurials as Antiseptics:" "It (merthiolate) is toxic when injected parenterally and therefore cannot be used in chemotherapy."

1963 Article received by Lilly: "There is another point of practical significance: does the parenteral injection of merthiolate-containing fluids cause disturbances in merthiolate-sensitive patients?" "It is known that persons that are contact sensitive to a drug may tolerate the same medications internally, but it seems advisable to use a preservative other than merthiolate for injections in merthiolate-sensitive people."

8/17/67 Medical/Science department requests that the claim "non- toxic" on thimerosal labels be deleted in next printing run.

8/29/67 Draft label changed to "non-irritating to body tissues," non-toxic omitted.


1972 British Medical Journal reports case of skin burns resulting from the chemical interaction of thimerosal and

aluminum. "Mercury is known to act as a catalyst and to cause aluminum to oxidize rapidly, with the production of heat." "The manufacturers who supply us with thimerosal have been informed." [Thimerosal is being used in vaccines which also contain aluminum].

1972 Article received by Lilly: Merthiolate in vaccines caused six deaths ? "The symptoms and clinical course of the six patients suggest subacute mercury poisoning."

4/27/76 Lilly responds to Rexall Drug Company's efforts to place the following warning on Merthiolate product: "Frequent or prolonged use or application to large areas may cause mercury poisoning." Lilly objects to this proposed warning, stating:

"We object to the connection of our trademark with the unjustified alarm and concern on the part of the user which the statement is likely to cause? . We are not aware of any instance of 'mercury poisoning' after decades of marketing this product. This is because the mercury in the product is organically bound ethylmercury as a completely non- toxic nature, not methylmercury."

1/5/82 FDA's advance notice of proposed rule making regarding thimerosal:

"At the cellular level, thimerosal has been found to be more toxic for human epithelial cells in vitro than mercuric chloride, mercuric nitrate, and merbromim (mercurichrom)." "It was found to be 35.3 times more toxic for embryonic chick heart tissue than for staphylococcus areus." 1950 study showed that thimerosal was no better than water in protecting mice from potential fatal streptococcal infection."

"The Panel concludes that thimerosal is not safe for OTC topical use because of its potential for cell damage if applied to broken skin and its allergy potential. It is not effective as a topical antimicrobial because its bacteriastatic action can be reversed."

4/7/83 Additional language added to some Lilly labels: "As with any drug, if you are pregnant or nursing a baby, seek the advice of a health professional before using this product."

1991 Lilly ceases manufacture/sale of thimerosal. Licensing agreements demonstrate continued profits from the product until at least 2010.

12/8/99 Lilly MSDS regarding thimerosal:

"Primary Physical & Reproduction Effects: Nervous System and Reproduction Effects"

"Effects of exposure include fetal changes.

"Mercury poisoning may occur."

"Exposure in children may cause mild to severe mental retardation... ."

"Hypersensitivity to mercury is a medical condition aggravated by exposure."

CERCLA Hazardous substance ? toxic waste disposal.

Waters & Kraus is litigating a growing number of individual cases across the country involving infants that sustained serious neurological injuries from the thimerosal contained in their pediatric vaccines. Waters & Kraus is leading the following coalition of firms in bringing these cases to trial:

Evert & Weathersby, L.L.C. 3405 Piedmont Road, Suite 225 Atlanta, Georgia 30305-1764 Tel: 404.233.8718

DORAN & MURPHY, LLP 1234 Delaware Avenue Buffalo, New York 14209 Tel: 716.884.2000

Dogan & Wilkinson 726 Delmas Avenue Pascagoula, Mississippi 39567 Tel: 228.762.2272

O'CONNELL & O'SULLIVAN 217 N. McLean Blvd., Suite 2C Elgin, Illinois 60123 Tel: 847-741-4603

Hendrickson & Long 214 Capital Street P.O. Box 11070 Charleston, W. VA 25339 Tel: 304.346.5500

ANDERSON & KRIGER, APLC 40925 County Center Drive, Suite 210 Temecula, California 92591 Tel: 909.296.5090

WISE & JULIAN, PC 3555 College Avenue Alton, Illinois 62002 Tel: 618.462.2600

MARTZELL & BICKFORD 338 Lafayette Street New Orleans, Louisiana 70130 Tel: 504.581.9065

NANCE, CACCIATORE AND HAMILTON 525 North Harbor Blvd. Melbourne, Florida 32935 Tel: 321.254.8416

FERRARO & ASSOCIATES, P.A. First Union Financial Center 200 South Biscayne Boulevard, Suite 3800 Miami, Florida 33131 Tel: 305.375.0111

Cantor, Arkema and Edmonds, P.C. First National Bank Building 823 East Main Street P.O. Box 561 Richmond, VA 23218-0561 Tel: 804.644.1400

Thomasson, Gilbert, Cook & Maguire, LC 715 North Clark P.O. Box 1180 Cape Girardeau, Missouri 63702-1180 Tel: 573.335.6651

WALLACE & GRAHAM 525 N. Main Street Salisbury, North Carolina 28144 Tel: 704-633-5244

THE HENDLER LAW FIRM, P.C. 816 Congress Avenue, Suite 1100 Austin, Texas 78701 Tel: 512.473.3672
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So amazing why people don't act up on all the things which we have been telling and trying to show since day one, here.

So, what's your bet on what will be next? Food or pedophilia?

"Child sex scandal
gains forum
on Palm Sunday

March 24 — Cardinal Edward Egan, leader of the preeminent U.S. Catholic archdiocese, railed against the “evil” perpetrated by pedophile priests in his Palm Sunday homily at New York’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral. His statements are among the latest from the pulpit on the widening child sex-abuse scandal engulfing the Catholic Church in the days before Easter, the most important date in the Christian calendar
"
 
  

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