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Iraqi war

 
 
gozer the destructor
08:19 / 28.02.02
I just heard of my boss, who has mates in parliament, that the Labour party has agreed with the backbenchers that if they support Buyers as well as conflict with Iraq they will get a fox hunting ban and less union bashing-WHAT A FUCKING GREAT TRADE EH?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:22 / 28.02.02
Take it to the Switchboard, babe.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:23 / 28.02.02
You just heard of your boss?

What do you think? Do you believe any of it? Have you got the photos to prove it?

I'm not sure....I've heard about him, but please! I need something more tangible than mere heresay....
 
 
gozer the destructor
08:23 / 28.02.02
whoa, sorry for the delay in responding but i didn't realise what had happened...

my boss is an ex-Labour member and ex-labour cllr, and i know that this is no tangible proof, but i'd say its as accurate a piece of gossip as your gonna get from a political camp,

he has friends at spectator and we both know someone who still has a parliamentary pass

but whatever i say this is only my word
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:46 / 28.02.02
The whole thing with Blair's support of American plans for an attack on Iraq is just *so* fucked up.

Forget what you think about Britain's involvement with bombings and sanctions prior to this point, or even the question of American foreign policy generally and American involvement in the Middle East specifically... On a basic domestic level, the fact is that a very substantial majority of this country's elected representatives don't want us involved in a war with Iraq. Presumably because they know that their constituents don't want a war with Iraq. But Tony does. And so it's basically been decided that this will happen - the specific details of how backbenchers and then the public are made to accept this are more or less irrelevant, in a way.

Backbenchers will either be offered a trade like the one above, or brought into line using the Whips - anyone who dissents can presumably expect similar treatment to that of Paul Marsden late last year - ridicule; being labeled "emotional", "cowardly" and an "appeaser"; verbal and possibly physical bullying.

Meanwhile the mainstream media can be expected, with maybe a couple of exceptions, to put forward the case for the war strongly... This is apparently one of those issues where the government believes they're right, and the public is wrong and needs persuading otherwise (there's a specific term for this, but I can't remember it... argh).

And if we want to know what to expect from a war with Iraq, we might want to consider what actually happened during the Gulf War for starters...

quote:Let me tell you what happened briefly. There were 114,000 seperate aerial sorties in 42 days - one every 30 seconds. Eighty-eight thousand tons of bombs were dropped. Only seven per cent were guided. Ninety-three percent were free-falling bombs that hit where chance, necessity and no free will took them. There were 38 aircraft lost by the US in the slaughter. That number is less than the accidental losses in war games where no live ammunition is even used. No enemy aircraft rose to meet them. When the ground war came... there was no ground war. Name one battle. It wasn't a battle, it was a slaughter. General Kelly said when the troops finally moved forward that there were 'not many of them left alive to fight'. We killed at least 125,000 soldiers and to date 130,000 civillians. We killed as many as we dared.

- Ramsey Clark, Former US Attorney General, final hearings of the Commission of Inquiry into US conduct in the Gulf, New York, February 1992
 
 
netbanshee
16:33 / 28.02.02
...it seems that the whole U.S. - British game going on here is a ploy to undermine the rising tensions regarding the support for "the war on terror" in all of Europe. If the U.S. can claim Britian as an ally... Seems that the Bush camp is slowly trying to seep in so it's doesn't appear to the world as an only American action...creating sides once again. And the fact that these inner dealings may have a glimpse into how someone can be strongarmed or coerced into a supportive role is awful.

All of this, let alone the simple fact that the idea is to bomb an already destroyed country to solve...what issues?

Is there any media news on these developments?
 
 
gozer the destructor
06:29 / 01.03.02
as a slight aside to this is there anybody going on the demo tomorrow, from hyde park to trafalgur, and if so would they like to meet up before hand for a coffee/pint or something?

 
 
Magic Mutley
07:11 / 01.03.02
Yeah, I'd be up for meeting - check out the thread in the gathering

[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: Wheaty-G ]
 
  
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