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Flex Mentallo for sale!!

  
 
mephisto
01:34 / 30.09.03
Yo guys, I have Flex Mentallo #1-4 for sale. I also have Animal Man #1 and a whole bunch of Doom Patrols. Let me know if any of you guys want 'em. Later.
 
 
bencher
05:27 / 30.09.03
Flex Mentallo please
 
 
Spaniel
08:34 / 30.09.03
I know that Runce is missing an episode of Flex.

I'll have a word and see if he's willing to shell out any readies.

How much are you looking for, or do you just want to promote a bidding war?
 
 
rizla mission
13:59 / 30.09.03
I'd quite like to get my hands on a copy of #3..
 
 
Spaniel
17:09 / 30.09.03
I think that's the one Runce is missing.

Perhaps we could arrange a game of mercy - the winner gets the prize.
 
 
PatrickMM
18:17 / 30.09.03
Could you list which Doom Patrols you've got, because I'm still looking for a few issues (specifically 29,43, 51, 53, 54). Also, I've got an extra copy of 19, and possibly a bunch of other issues, should people need them.
 
 
mephisto
19:45 / 30.09.03
I'm only selling the comics by title, not individualy.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:46 / 30.09.03
Much later, I imagine.

There is a section in the FAQ about using Barbelith as eBay. Since Mephisto has managed on average one post per month since his suit was registered, it seems unlikely that this is a relationship based on trust. As such in turn, I would suggest that this thread should probably go away some time *before* they are sold.

Deletion, anyone?
 
 
mephisto
19:48 / 30.09.03
I'm only selling the comics by title, not individualy.
 
 
mephisto
20:20 / 30.09.03
I'm not using this board as Ebay (auction). I've told everyone who's pm'd me the same price for the books. $20. I'm just figuring out the shipping costs for the guys.
Besides Haus, I got a PM from a moderator and said it's cool.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:52 / 30.09.03
Sorry, do you mean he or she said it's cool, or do you mean that you said it was cool?

To quote:

DO ANY OF YOU GUYS WANT TO BUY MY COMICS BACK ISSUES/DRUGS/GUNS/PLUTONIUM?

(Jack Fear) Possibly, but only once we've gotten to know you, and pretty much only in a more private, face-to-face situation. And we prefer barter to outright selling and buying. Random mercantilism will likely be met (like pretty much everything else) with heaped up ridicule and reinterpretation. Anything that threatens the continued existence of the board (i.e., outright illegal information) makes Tom, our Administrator and Grand Exalted Archon, nervous. When The Grand Exalted Archon gets nervous, persons, places, and things tend to disappear.

Now, it seems that this thread has no purpose other than to make Mephisto money. Were that money to be reinvested into Barbelith, I'm sure we would all give a cheer. As it is, I'm going to move this for deletion, and if the moderator in question wants to veto that move they are more than welcome to do so. That's the joy of distributed moderation, after all.
 
 
The Fifth Columnist
22:34 / 30.09.03
Who the fuck is this cunt?
 
 
Hieronymus
00:33 / 01.10.03
All right, Haus. This schoolmarmish knuckle rapping of yours has got to end. It's getting absolutely exhausting to watch and it's seriously making me wonder if you hover around the Lith with a ruler at the ready.

1)The topic abstract makes pretty clear that the thread will be summarily deleted once the issues are given a new home.

2) Links to various enterprises, up to and including Magneto t-shirts and various Queer Granny products, have been allowed to advertise within Barbelith with little or no funds being diverted to Barbelith. So of course the question emerges: How rigidly do you want to enforce that FAQ? 'Cause the word "possibly" doesn't quite cut the mustard if your intent is a rigid enforcement against any mercantilism within the Lith whatsoever.

3) This site does tend to attract Morrison readers who might be interested in taking each various comics off each other's hands.

4) It would seem a moderator has given this a green light, so why the problem?

4) I know I for one would've jumped on this in a heartbeat had I the money to blow, especially given that the damn things are hard to find. $20 is a little steep (hope that's not individually. Yeowch) but a little balm against the financial woes of a fellow Lither is our prerogative to decide, Haus.

The ruler is not your friend. Unless of course, it is.
 
 
mephisto
02:54 / 01.10.03
What's ur problem Hause? and Fifth? I told you that the Admin OK'd my selling the books here. Damn, I even bought them from a guy on this board about 10 months ago.

Thanks to Distended Mass for making valid points too. Thanks dude.

P.S. Distended Mass: I bought the books for $45. Now THAT'S steep, but well worth it.
 
 
Spaniel
09:03 / 01.10.03
Fifth, I hate to egg you on, but ROTFWL.

Meph, you might make a little more if you were to sell the issues individually. Anyway, what kind of condition are they in?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:27 / 01.10.03
Two words, my simple friends.

Legal.

Issues.

Tom is potentially legally responsible for trade carried out within Barbelith. Some sales are as a result of links out of the site, which is not a problem. Others are a result of Queer Granny, an established and well-founded process, and based on a general understanding that Persephone, having been trusted with a fair amount of Barbecash in the past, is responsible enough to be dealt with.

This poster has a history of 10 posts in as many months, and if he does not come up with the goods, or if the buyer does not come up with the cash, Tom has not necessarily been exempted from legal liability. If Mephisto would like to do that, for example by linking to his own site, where these comics are on sale, then all is well. Otherwise, we have broader issues to consider.

Schoolmarms don't usually have to clean up when their more excited students piss themselves.
 
 
Hieronymus
20:51 / 01.10.03
Your usual condescension aside, Haus, perhaps this is best pursued in the Selling Comics and Other Things Thread.

As for your first point, I was not aware that you were the final arbiter of how many posts a person must do to quantify Barbelith trust. Nor for that matter was I aware that such a quota even existed. If you are, in fact, the final arbiter of who is to be trusted here and who is not then it's certainly news to me.

Again, the stipulation you quoted via the FAQ does very little to address your reasons for being so heavy-handed in your response to this. In fact, the FAQ's very vague nature and the assertion that "some are allowed to do this and others not" leaves a very arbitrary double standard in the wake. Chastising Mephisto while letting other Lithers trade tapes or buy other objects from each other reeks of selectiveness and exclusion.

I initially had an issue with previous trolls growing very belligerent over your snide remarks, Haus. Now I'm slowly beginning to understand where their frustration may have stemmed from. You're contributing to an atmosphere of tension here and very little welcome. And it's not right.

If the moderator who authorized this sale (an issue I'd be curious to see your response on, Haus) would delete this thread once the sale is done, then I think the rest of this can be picked up in the Policy thread.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:14 / 01.10.03
Well, the person who "authorised" this thread, whose unilateral decision to decide for the board you seem to have no problem with, has the right to vote on a moderation action. The fact that this thread remains is a testamnet to the fact that moderation is distributed. One other person used their veto, the thread remains undeleted, I appear not to have mind-control powers, which will sort out one problem, and all is well.

As such, clearly I am not the final arbiter and therefore your snide and adolescent point appears to be rather deflated. The thread will remain for as long as people wish it to remain. I submit entirely and happily to that state of affairs, because unlike you I have no wish to impose my wish to dictate what appears or does not appear on the board according to personal fiat. I raised some potential legal issues which the moderators are free to address as they wish. As Jack Fear mentions in the Policy thread, when money is introduced things get more complicated.

So, do you care to address these legal issues, Distended? I realise that it is very galling when other people disagree with you, but you may want to muster a slightly stronger argument than anger that your beliefs are not universal.
 
 
Hieronymus
21:43 / 01.10.03
Well, the person who "authorised" this thread, whose unilateral decision to decide for the board you seem to have no problem with, has the right to vote on a moderation action. The fact that this thread remains is a testamnet to the fact that moderation is distributed. One other person used their veto, the thread remains undeleted, I appear not to have mind-control powers, which will sort out one problem, and all is well.

Fantastic, Haus. And I'm glad to see this representative approach in action. But you're either avoiding my concerns about your caustic handling of this thread or aren't aware of it. As moderator you do have more capability to change threads, more power as it were, than persons who are not moderators. And as such, what you say and how you say it has impact. mephisto went through all the seemingly appropriate channels, in so far as any of us would. He asked a moderator if it was okay. And the go-ahead was given. So either the moderator erred in regard to Barbepolicy to this or the policy was so vague as to make a clear decision difficult. In both cases, the Policy thread is a great place to clear this all up.

As such, clearly I am not the final arbiter and therefore your snide and adolescent point appears to be rather deflated. The thread will remain for as long as people wish it to remain.

How strange. Several statements back, you were gung-ho to see this thread disappear. And now that a thread has popped up in Policy to address these various issues, now you're fine with this thread being here? Which is it?

I also appreciate the fact that you consider my points "snide and adolescent" but you're well within your rights to snidely imply persons here as individuals who piss themselves when excited. Completely uncalled for, Haus.

I submit entirely and happily to that state of affairs, because unlike you I have no wish to impose my wish to dictate what appears or does not appear on the board according to personal fiat. I raised some potential legal issues which the moderators are free to address as they wish. As Jack Fear mentions in the Policy thread, when money is introduced things get more complicated.

And yes, it would seem that you have decided, by fiat, that "Since Mephisto has managed on average one post per month since his suit was registered, it seems unlikely that this is a relationship based on trust", a logic I simply don't follow. So now number of posts is the requisite for being trusted in this place? If you have not come to this assertion on your own Haus then obviously I must have missed the Policy thread where this was established. Something else I can look in Policy for.

So, do you care to address these legal issues, Distended?

I sure would, Haus. And again, the conversation regarding a Marketplace for Barbelith and how that should be formed is going on right now. In Policy. I'm all for clearing this up as I think the confusion will just cause another conflict regarding the Barbe-tude towards sales here.

I realise that it is very galling when other people disagree with you, but you may want to muster a slightly stronger argument than anger that your beliefs are not universal.

What have I done to make you think I'm angry, Haus? As a matter of fact, I'm genuinely curious to see where the conversation regarding these issues goes.
 
 
Axel Lambert
21:47 / 01.10.03
Haus, I'm sure you don't mean to sound condescending, but somehow that's how you get through to some. After rereading this thread I find your remarks less harsh than I initially did, but maybe you should try to have a more friendly voice, huh? The "much later, I imagine" remark is witty and all, but the proposed discussion on legal issues might benefit from less heated arguments about tone.

I mean all this in the friendliest way.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:00 / 01.10.03
How strange. Several statements back, you were gung-ho to see this thread disappear. And now that a thread has popped up in Policy to address these various issues, now you're fine with this thread being here? Which is it?

Simple. I do not believe this thread should be here. I believe, for the reasons outlined in the Policy, that Barbelith is several steps short of being a board on which things should be advertised for sale in fora devoted to discussion. In line with that belief, and informed by precedent and the FAQ, I moved to have the thread deleted.

Others do not believe the same thing, and have not voted for the thread to be deleted. I disagree with that judgement, but accept it. That's how consensual systems work, as opposed to systems based on personal fiat. One of the reasons I disagree is that if this behaviour were universalised the board would collapse, organisationally and legally. See the Policy thread. As it is, this means that somebody other than Mephisto will end up being the cut-off point instead.

On numbers of posts....this is a pretty simple one. Number of posts is a fairly common indicator of whether a suit is actively engaged with Barbelith or whether it is popping in when it wants something. If somebody is engaged with Barbelith, they are, IMHO, less likely to risk that engagement in the interests of profit or attention. Unless they are playing a very long game.

As for pissing oneself - I believe you called "schoolmarm" first. I was merely extending the metaphor. If you are unable to cope with people being rude, I strongly suggest you try to avoid being rude. There's a thread in the Policy about that as well.

Oh, and you may want to look up "fiat". If I could exercise it, I would not need a quorum of moderators to agree with me.
 
 
mephisto
22:23 / 01.10.03
Dude, you have waaaaaaaay too much free time on your hands.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:28 / 01.10.03
I wish I'd said that, Oscar.
 
 
Hieronymus
22:48 / 01.10.03
Simple. I do not believe this thread should be here. I believe, for the reasons outlined in the Policvy, that Barbelith is several steps short of being a board on which things should be advertised for sale in fora devoted to discussion. In line with that belief, and informed by precedent and the FAQ, I moved to have the thread deleted.

I can maybe see where you believe that Haus but is this thread really symptomatic of an epidemic of spamming? Are knee-jerk moves to deletion over what seems to be a very harmless problem even called for?

On numbers of posts....this is a pretty simple one. Number of posts is a fairly common indicator of whether a suit is actively engaged with Barbelith or whether it is popping in when it wants something. If somebody is engaged with Barbelith, they are, IMHO, less likely to risk that engagement in the interests of profit or attention. Unless they are playing a very long game.

But I think that's a risky supposition, Haus. First, I won't argue that the possiblity existed at one time for strangers to sign up to the board, post a spamming message, collect their reaped funds and skeddadle out of town. But since the gateway into the board has grown smaller and smaller, that seems less likely. No one just 'pops in' anymore.

Secondly, if you go by the belief that numbers of posts = engagement with Barbelith and thus large posts = Barbelith trust, does that not impose some kind of dynamic that all lurkers are suspect until they cross that vaporous 'enough posts to win acceptance' threshold?

As for pissing oneself - I believe you called "schoolmarm" first. I was merely extending the metaphor. If you are unable to cope with people being rude, I strongly suggest you try to avoid being rude. There's a thread in the Policy about that as well.

You can keep your tu quoque bait, Haus.

Oh, and you may want to look up "fiat". If I could exercise it, I would not need a quorum of moderators to agree with me.

I understand the word perfectly, Haus. It was used in the context of you coming to conclusions/decisions about what quantifies Barbelith trust and what doesn't completely independent of anyone else here. But thank you for continuing to talk down to me. It only makes it clear that you have either no idea or no control over your tenacity to be condescending towards people. Damn shame, that.
 
 
Spaniel
23:20 / 01.10.03
Haus, for God's sake leave it alone. I understand that your intial post was simply an attempt to bring to light the complexities of treating Barbelith as a market-place, but frankly by perpetuating the argument you are bringing a distinctly bitter tone to what was a perfectly civil thread.

Of course I understand that by contributing to the argument I am potentially dragging us further into the mire, but I can't help feeling that we should all stop before it gets out of hand.

On with the negotiations.

So then, Meph, on the subject of individual issues, I can guarantee that Runce would pay you handsomely for issue three.
 
 
mephisto
00:38 / 02.10.03
Sad news boys (and good news for some "others"), the books are sold to Bencher. Congrats. He paid the same price as I asked for in the beginning. $20. Now I feel like selling ALL my comics here, just to piss on HAUS(4522 posts).
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
04:36 / 02.10.03
With the comics sold, I'll move that the thread be deleted tomorrow. If anyone thinks it should stay around, let the moderators know, as there is discussion here beyond the actually comics involved...but I'm inclined to delete it.
 
  
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