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Why is everyone so down on romance?

 
 
Cat Chant
07:55 / 29.09.03
Okay, not everyone, but it's come up a few times in the "likely to be embarrassing to be seen reading" in the 'books and image' thread.

Why? Or, for those of us who read romances, why do we like them?
 
 
Ariadne
09:09 / 29.09.03
Because - the few I've read have been pretty laughable. I suppose it depends what you define as romance, though: I'm thinking Mills and Boon here. What do you read? And if you DO read M&B, what do you like about them?
 
 
Ex
11:37 / 29.09.03
I've read a shedload of M&B although I don't currently. I used to read them for the sex (Mills and Boon Temptation - grrrr - I was young), but when I tired of the sex, I kept reading them for the closure. I find some of them stunningly well structured. Although they're often badly written in a traditional sense (clunky, limited vocab and bizarre dialogue) they're also constructed to deliver a satisfying whack of closure. Often they line up the (minimal) subplots, the character conflicts and the symbolic levels of the novel to make it absolutely essential that the boy gets the girl and they knob happily forever. Admittedly, all this stucturing gets a leg-up from heteronormative societal myths, but still, it's impressive.

I'd compare this satisfaction to the solution of a detective novel, or the end of a quest narrative - I may not approve of the law enforcement, or the heroic code followed, but I like the closure. I don't like heteronormativity, or the endless bloody monogamous romance obsession in our culture, but - look! They're so right for each other!

I have a heap of problems and concerns with them, but this is a "why I like them" thread. If I could write something that so diligently lead the reader to believe that only one thing could make the world a better place, and then deliver it in a cloud of butterflies and smooching, I'd be chuffed.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
14:36 / 29.09.03
I prefer romances with no sex in them... they're still heteronormative, but less eggy. I have a deep and abiding fondness for Georgette Heyer, whose Regency works include a splendid cross-dressing romance and the immensely slashable The Foundling and These Old Shades (in fact, there is an excellent piece of slash for the latter online somewhere - that and a vignette from The Foundling are the only pieces I have ever seen, surely there must be more out there...). Also lots of her heroines are not too girly, if you know what I mean - lots of them are intelligent and practical. I have a whopping crush on Sophy (The Grand Sophy), and on Mary Challoner from Devil's Cub. The books are well-written in the main, well-plotted, funny, and not too full of outrageous historical derring-do.

Apart from that, concur with Ex's points above about structure etc. in the genre.

I haven't read many other romance novels, but I didn't like the ones I have. Anne McCaffrey has written some absolutely rotten mystery/romances (surprise).
 
 
Joy
17:50 / 17.04.04
1. They're very popular.
2. They're mostly written by women for women.
3. They have happy endings.

Of course, critics and the hipsters among us are going to hate them.
 
 
sleazenation
13:54 / 18.04.04
Interesting that 1 and 3 could equally be applied to Jame Bond films/books...

which leaves number 2...

I have heard it claimed that male readers are far more resistant to female writers than female readers are to male writers...
 
 
Tom Coates
15:42 / 18.04.04
So OK, there's a really good bit in Freud's Creative Writers and Day-dreaming where he talks about "The Hero Romance". Essentially he talks about those novels or narratives where the heroic figure performs death-defying stunts, drives fast cars, is extremely cool and gets all the women. He then points out how clearly these things are identical to day-dreaming activities and personal conscious fantasies of wanting to perform all these actions yourself. He strips them down to fantasies of power and fantasies about sex and suggests that we use these books to identify with the main characters in pretty unsophisticated ways and get some instinctual satisfaction from pretending that we were in their places. That - basically - there's little difference between reading a book of this kind and being a child playing superheroes in the garden.

Now, interestingly, he doesn't talk about women or the pure romance genre but I imagine if he did he'd probably talk about it in terms of it being the female analogue to the more masculine Bond-ish fantasy structure. More interestingly - and in a gloriously Freudianesque touch - he both dismisses these kinds of books (both for men and women) as kind of blandly functional while also declaring them the purest expression of the most simple desires and hence (effectively) the basic foundations of all literature.

Now I find that lot of stuff interesting enough in and of itself, but it occurs to me - with regards to the question about women not having trouble with male authors - that there might be another connection going on with Screen theory and theories of the 'male gaze' that Laura Mulvey used a lot - particularly her theory was that the act of looking - the scopophilic act was heavily gendered masculine and that (if I understand it correctly) mediated looking, such as in films and in other narratives where somewhere there's an 'author' often meant that women were more often than not forced to identify with the male protagonists in these dramas, locating themselves with the male fantasy figure as he goes around conquering other women. Whether that remains the case (or whether I've given a ludicrously bastardised view of the debate) is open for debate, but it might go some way to explain why men now find the experience more disconcerting. It could also be part of the same process that means that women can wear male clothes without feeling less feminine but men who wear feminine clothes are ludicrous or debased - the idea that a man would identify with a romantically submissive woman could simply be too ego-threatening.
 
 
Jester
11:04 / 20.04.04
Tom Coates: I'm sure that's the case. The reality is that the majority of cultural produce, especially in the mainstream, is made by men, and books are surely no exception.
I also reakon female writers are far more susceptible to being catagorised: romance fiction being maybe the most obvious example. See also 'Women's writing' sections of book shops. I am just about to write a massive invective for an online zine on this very subject, actually...
I never really noticed this effect much until I recently read Anais Nin's diaries, when I felt the overwhelmingly weird sensation of actually identifying with someone in a book!
 
  
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